Resoluting Prophetic Awareness on the Political and Social Role of the Church Today

1992 Church of God Resolution on POLITICAL INVOLVEMENT

WHEREAS the Church of God as a member of the National Association of Evangelicals has endorsed and agreed to support “Christian Citizenship Campaign” (CCC); and

WHEREAS the two main objectives of the NAE resolution are to encourage Christians to pray for their leaders and to exercise their liberties to register and vote as a part of the democratic process; and

WHEREAS the Church of God is an international organization which has historically encouraged Christians to seek godly means to improve standards of their respective societies;

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that in cooperation with the National Association of Evangelicals, the Church of God encourages all constituents to avail themselves of every opportunity to peacefully and orderly register, vote, and otherwise seek to improve the health, safety, and general welfare of all mankind (1 Peter 2:12); and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that all political efforts should be thoughtfully constructed and effected with prayerful deliberation, knowing that we shall give account to God for every deed done (Romans 2:12), or not done, in accordance with His divine and eternal plan for man (64th A., 1992, p. 79).

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884 thoughts on “Resoluting Prophetic Awareness on the Political and Social Role of the Church Today

  1. Michael Postlethwait says:

    I can certainly appreciate why many aren’t excited about the prospect of a Trump presidency. What I don’t understand however is how many apparently believe that Clinton is the lesser of two evils. I think the damage she would do to the judiciary for generations to come would far surpasses anything Trump may do on his worst day in office. Furthermore, I suspect Trump will be on a much shorter leash with Congress than Clinton if for no other reason than not wanting to be labeled misogynist.

  2. Troy May says:

    What’s up with this post on a fine Sunday afternoon? Stan Wayne Carl Murphy I read one stats where Trump is leading by 4% and another where he is trailing Hillary from afar

  3. Carl Murphy says:

    Honestly I believe Christians should vote their conscience, they should not invoke God to beat others over the head. It is as bad to me as Westboro Baptist Church, a bunch of clowns that are religious but in my opinion certainly not following Luke 9:23. Being followers of Christ and not Judaizers that say you much vote this way are you are not a Christian. Or bestowing the title of “God’s man” on someone is not our job. Would you like a man like the pastor of Westboro Baptist to be president? He certainly presidents himself as a man of God. I am friends with several of the Conn’s should we conform to their beliefs, there being as many doctrines as there are Conn’s which one do we chose? No let God speak to each of us, individually and guide us. I am reminded of the words of the president of the AG Bible College I received a degree in Bible from. If God had a message for me, he knows me, he knows my heart and he knows where I am, he doesn’t have to leave a message with the neighbors.

  4. Troy May says:

    “Gilberto Rosado on the contrary brother. It seems that politics is forcing us toward a Pentecostal Theology of #TRUMP We have 5 prophecies from Pentecostals vs. 5 warning words against it. Prophetic WARNINGS:

    – MICHAEL L BROWN SHARES WHY EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS SHOULD NOT SUPPORT #TRUMP http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/michael-l-brown-shares-why-evangelical-christians-should-not-support-trump/

    – MAX LUCADO: DECENCY FOR PRESIDENCY http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/max-lucado-decency-for-presidency/

    – Wall Street Journal: A SERIOUS REBUKE TO #EVANGELICALS SUPPORTING #TRUMP http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/a-serious-rebuke-to-evangelicals-supporting-trump/

    – WHAT CHRISTIANS THINK ABOUT TRUMP? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/what-christians-think-about-trump/

    – 5 REASONS CHRISTIANS SHOULD NOT SUPPORT DONALD TRUMP http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/what-christians-think-about-trump/

    Prophetic WORDS:

    1. THE TRUMP OF GOD (1 TH. 4:16) IS NOT THE SAME AS THE 7TH TRUMPET OF REV. 11:15-13:18. http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/the-trump-of-god-1-th-416-is-not-the-same-as-the-7th-trumpet-of-rev-1115-1318/

    2. A 2ND PROPHETIC DREAM ABOUT TRUMP: FROM TRUMP TO TRIUMPH http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/a-2nd-prophetic-dream-about-trump-from-trump-to-triumph/

    3. Vehement protests against Donald Trump are the work of the enemy 6:0:https://www.facebook.com/groups/thelogy/permalink/978481735540175/

    4. PRESIDENT NIXON WITH 1987 PROPHETIC LETTER: TRUMP WILL BE PRESIDENT http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/president-nixon-with-1987-prophetic-letter-trump-will-be-president/

    5. SHOULD PENTECOSTALS PRAY FOR DONALD TRUMP’S PRESIDENCY? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/should-pentecostals-pray-for-donald-trumps-presidency-many-were-shocked/

    Finaly, DONALD TRUMP peresonally: ‘NOBODY READS THE BIBLE MORE THAN ME’ http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/donald-trump-nobody-reads-the-bible-more-than-me/ For the whole discussion pls see http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/a-cumulative-pentecostal-involvement-in-donald-trumps-presidency-prophetic-warnings-vs-prophetic-words/ Thanks Michael Postlethwait”

  5. Jon Sellers says:

    The OT prophets dealt with national politics all the time. So we must understand how the gospel and Christian witness relates to our own politics today.

  6. Troy May says:

    Not really. Not if we are still considering who endorsed Trump among our own Pentecostals churches, our own current stand on Israel (and Palestine) and how our own eschatology is changing with all that Jon Sellers

  7. Gilberto Rosado says:

    I know who supports Trump – American citizens regardless of their theological views. Because they render to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God that which is God’s.

  8. Troy May says:

    Hey I dont necessarily disagree with you. It’s jsut bad theology to keep God out of politics (and other stuff). I hope Trump wins but then again I just dont see it going his way as easy as Stan Wayne does in wishful thinking. I’ll look you up when next in NY and we will go visit Trump Tower – all right 🙂

  9. Ricky Grimsley says:

    I dont see why you would separate politics from theology especially if you are openly endorsing someone. How many ministers have flocked to trump and even say he is a christian. Look at the past. What is the basis as a christian to even be involved in the process. Are we not ambassadors for christ?

  10. Ricky Grimsley says:

    If we could be partaker of someone’s evil deeds for “bidding them God speed” how much more for voting them in to leader of the free world?

  11. Mary Ellen Nissley says:

    “Righteousness exalteth a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people.
    If America does not repent of her sin, she has no right to expect God to help her be great again.
    Furthermore, if a Christian trusts in an unrighteous political leader to make America great again, bypassing the repentance factor… that Christian is putting his faith more in that man, than in God.”

  12. Carl Murphy says:

    One thing, he would never be elected, this is The United States, a republic, it’s not Egypt where one guy can name a prime minister, it’s not Israel there are no Samuel’s to anoint anyone. As much as I and every other Christian would love to see a Christian step up the fact of the matter is there never has been a Pentecostal president. We had the pious Carter and what did that bring us? We had the born again Bush and what did that bring us? Just because someone is a Christian, even a faithful one it does not endow them with leadership abilities it does not confer wisdom on them. While this country was founded on Christian values, it has always made room for the non believers. Just as I do not appreciate the bullying of the politically correct crowd, I do not believe it to be the governments place to say Christianity or nothing. But then I also believe as Alexander Hamilton believed, that the only daily interaction the general population should have with the federal government is the post office

  13. David Lewayne Porter says:

    But would we just love to see one truly make a run for it to be like they said about Stephen, “Acts 6:15 And all that sat in the council, looking stedfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the face of an angel”.

  14. Ricky Grimsley says:

    I agree with the spirit of your post David Lewayne Porter. However, i sincerely doubt that we have ever had a sincere christian president except perhaps george Washington.

  15. Jan B Drayer says:

    We are not electing a pastor, we are electing a president. I would enthusiastically endorse a Christian that, in addition to a strong and sincere Christian ethic, also possesses the ability to govern well.

  16. David Lewayne Porter says:

    “Jan
    I agree with all you said except for, “”we are electing a President not a pastor””.
    There is the issue.
    We on a Pentecostal Theology page that are supposed to be Christian based has no problem with a double standard. That should bother us.
    The fact that it doesn’t sends up red flags and sets off warning buzzers.
    And we think just anyone doing anything can name the name of Jesus, can be a Christian, and can be ready for Heaven.
    What about this when voting for trump and saying I agree with him (if we vote for him then we are saying we back him),
    Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (So we take pleasure in trump)?
    I think not.”

  17. Jeffrey Madison says:

    “This is going to make some folks mad, but it’s true.

    Well, we currently have a president that considers himself a Christian who lives by Godly standards. According to most African American Evangelical Pentecostals, Obama is a holy man of God (you have to understand that liberation theology is the primary doctrine behind this presupposition, and rightly so, considering all that they’ve been through). With that stated, a righteous leader can mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people. Frankly, abortion and free trade aren’t the only issue on the table. Honestly, if we (meaning white Evangelical Pentecostals) start to understand the other issues, we (meaning black and white Christians) could elect a “”righteous”” person as president. However, if we continue to turn a blind eye to the suffering of our African American brother, they will keep voting for the other guy. I feel as if the Lord is telling us (meaning white Evangelical Pentecostals) to learn how to bear the burdens of these brothers and sisters, in doing this we will be able to come to a political consensus so that we can elect “”righteous”” leaders. Before you judge me to quickly, know that over 70% of African Americans are Born Again Christians, and 90% of African Americans are Democrats. That just shows how much we have failed at fulfilling our Christ-centered mandate. So, I don’t think we’ll be able to elect a righteous person as president until there is unity in the house of God (however, I do hope I’m wrong).”

  18. Diane Nott says:

    The Church is the moral compass of society. In the worst of times, the population’s hearts turn to God and reaching to one another. The moral conduct did not depend on who held political office. Yes we need strong leadership to protect and defend our country. But isn’t the moral decay that has changed society standards? Where does our sense of right and wrong originate? If the people of these United States will follow what their hearts and eyes desire, in another words what is right is what they want, then there is no moral compass no matter who is in office. The church and state are separated to keep government out of the church. Has the church allowed the government to decree their moral standards and belief in God’s Word? Shouldn’t the religious leaders be speaking out and strengthening their congregations roots in Christ? Not for this election to be our Savior and Protector but our walk with Christ?

  19. David Lewayne Porter says:

    “Diane Nott
    I believe you danced all around the main issue and point.

    The election and the leader determined by it is not the Saviour and Protector. In that you are correct.
    As far as pastors strengthening their congregations in Christ, that is exactly why I posted the (op – original post): To challenge Christians to actually live it, think about it daily, to actually apply their beliefs on a larger scale.
    I have found in the local church, on posts, and around town that the average (c)hristian is willing to vote contrary to what they actually say they believe Biblical. They say that is fine because this is not a Church or Ministry issue.
    You asked has the Church allowed the government to decree their moral standards and belief in God’s Word, the answer sadly enough for most people in America is yes, yes they have. (Just look around – 1962, no prayer in school), you can be seen with a bible in school without being challenged but they can read anything else during free time, not Christian music during free time but they can listen. To anything else, not religious shirts at school unless you turn them inside out but they can wear any other shirt they want – – oh yes I have personal first hand knowledge with all of this in middle average America.
    They want us in our homes, churches, and closets but then they want to come into those and tell us what we can and can’t do and then how we can do it. We have churches that can’t hold “”worship”” services because nice ordinances that limit you to nothing louder than a microwave oven alarm.

    Why do I say this and how does it apply
    because the legal challenges and law suites are ruled on by elected officials (judges). The laws are put into place by elected officials.

    We elect them. Most of the leaders that are causing the issues started out small locally and no one voted against them to stop them when they could because they did not see the link between person Christianity and their daily lives – which includes how we vote.

    When shouldn’t our personal Christian values lead our choice of vote?

    As far as separation of church and state, you will not find (the absence of religion) in any OFFICIAL National document. You will not the separation of Church and State stated anywhere offically ever.
    Also if you look at each of the original colonies charters and the states charters/constitutions religion and God were included in a major way.

    And if you don’t think public leaders effect moral conduct then examine clinton’s lying on today’s youth thinking lying is acceptable.
    Examine trump and his willingness to pay legal fees for supporters who get physically violent escalating people willing to do so.

    I will stop there.

    Just some points to ponder.
    So voting for some one who makes strip clubs possible and casinos and backs violence is not going to effect the moral or spiritual stance of America?
    Wow
    Isaiah 54:17
    No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.

    Notice (we condemn it)
    We are expected to do something about it besides just praying.

    Better look at what happened to Christians in Rome, and Jews under Germany.
    Society could have made some changes and a difference but didn’t.”

  20. Diane Nott says:

    Unfortunately many “Christians” are not grounded on the Christian beliefs or even know why they believe what they believe. Or what is written and included in all government documents authored by our founding fathers. Harvard University benefactor was a young minister by the name of John Howard. But I bet very few of those most intelligent students know how Harvard University was founded. Even if they do, is it a “truth” they are willing to stand on today? However, we are generations away from those founding principles. How do we get back and revive a government to vote on “truth”. or are we such a quiet majority/minority that those in government are allowed to stay “politically correct”? Shouldn’t the church be teaching what many died for? Beginning with the disciples up to those who fled Europe to set be free to worship Jesus. Just thinking out loud.

  21. David Lewayne Porter says:

    “Now you are getting to my point for the post.
    Exactly.
    But each generation let it “”slip”” just a little farther away from them.
    So do we, or do we start turning the tide back to where it should be?”

  22. Corey Forsyth says:

    Wouldn’t this open that God is in complete control debate? Since there are groups praying for their favorite candidate, no matter who it is, it seems to me that either God already has His candidate picked for victory, He doesn’t really care and leaves it to the people to vote, or it depends on which group prays the best. 😀😈😀
    I look forward to the firestorm that is likely to follow… LOL

  23. Mark Henderalsky says:

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  24. Terry Wiles says:

    It’s all about Supreme Court justices. Better to swallow pride and vote
    Republican this year and then pray a prayer of faith for that person whoever it is.

  25. Jackson Fay says:

    Very peculiar and speculative theory of why the GOP has not stopped Trump. Trump captures the nation’s attention on the campaign trail. The increasing unlikelihood of an “anybody but Trump” bandwagon coalescing fast enough around another candidate is causing a lot of pre-nomination autopsies about what in the world happened. https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/02/23/my-very-peculiar-and-speculative-theory-of-why-the-gop-has-not-stopped-donald-trump/?wpisrc=nl_az_most

  26. Robert Jamieson says:

    Trump is the only realistic candidate, he may be able to overturn some of Obamas policies, everybody else is as much a fairytale as a revival or rapture, and just as devisive. Be realistic.

  27. David Lewayne Porter says:

    Robert Jamieson
    If you don’t believe in revival, what is your point of being a part of Pentecostal Theology? Notice the historic results and effects of Pentecost. (And I am sincere in looking for your answer).

  28. Mark Henderalsky says:

    This is the religions of the current GOP candidates:

    Rubio: Roman Catholic with LDS background
    Bush: Roman Catholic and Fourth Degree Knight of Columbus
    Kasich: Anglican – with Catholic background
    Carson: Seventh Day Adventist – incl. annihilationism (no hell)

    Cruz: Southern Baptist
    Trump: Presbyterian PLUS Hillary’s a good ole Southern Baptist gal 🙂

  29. Terry Wiles says:

    Lol. Christians can’t agree on the existence of the Trinity. How can you expect this group to agree to pray for Trump?
    I’m sure some won’t agree to pray for those who despitefully use you.

  30. Mark Henderalsky says:

    Rubio: Roman Catholic with LDS background
    Bush: Roman Catholic and Fourth Degree Knight of Columbus
    Kasich: Anglican – with Catholic background
    Carson: Seventh Day Adventist – incl. annihilationism (no hell)

    Cruz: Southern Baptist
    Trump: Self Appointed Presbyterian

  31. Robert Jamieson says:

    Hmmm, i wonder Dave if you understand what theology is. Being a theologian has nothing to do with revival, nor can it bring revival. Theology is as separate from revival as a fish is from the air. I believe there have been revival, but you would write that i should not be in this group. As to the historical result/effect of pentecost, it was an effect that soon wore of. No one practiced pentecostal theology, most joined Roman Catholic theology. So again, what has my post got to do with my position in this group ? Paul said there would be an apostacy, Jesus asked if He would find faith on earth before He returned, or would you prefer the original Greek to assist you in your question?

  32. Robert Jamieson says:

    Troy, hilary clinton is a liar, trump is a liar, cruz is a liar etc etc etc… politicians lie when their lips move. Trump is the best candidate for America, Clinton is going to jail, cruz/carson cant afford to run along trump.

  33. David Lewayne Porter says:

    Robert Jamieson
    Who is dave?
    If you are talking to David Porter, it is David.

    Yes the original Greek would be nice. If the greek is what you need to answer a simple question.
    As far as your discourse on theology verses air, ok, not my question other than theology being the study of God.
    As far as Pentecost wearing off so what. So they got lukewarm, cold at best.
    Joel still stands valid and true
    Chapter 2:28 & following.

    As far as your position and your post, you simply seem very down on Pentecost. I was interested in why.

    Now in reference to finding faith on the earth?, I agree whole heartily.
    Yet the harvest field contains tares and wheat.

    Jesus also said the harvest was great and laborers were few Luke 10:2
    Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is great, but the labourers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest.

    So then being a part of Pentecostal Theology, you do not believe in a harvest/revival? You do not think Pentecost will have any thing to do with that?

    Before you get upset.
    It is a real and genuine question.
    I am simply asking for informational purposes, not to prove a point.

  34. Jimmy Pearson says:

    I am disappointed and disturbed at the amount of professing Christians voting for trump. It shows a tremendous lack of discernment. A man says he has never felt the need to ask forgiveness of his sins and people believe this is a man who will represent their values and defend their rights? What troubles me is not that he may be elected but what this campaign is revealing about the American church. As always the Lord will raise up whomever He wills to accomplish his purposes in the earth and bring glory to His name.

  35. Charles Page says:

    God has apparently appointed Obama to accomplish his will in the earth and bring glory to His name. Anyone we elect will accomplish the will of God and bring him the glory!

  36. Jimmy Pearson says:

    Sometimes the judgement of God on a nation is to allow it to be lead by wicked men. I believe it is very possible that this is where america is right now. It’s not so much whom we elect but who God appoints for his own purposes.

  37. Mark Henderalsky says:

    I’d like to bring this post back again because the OP really worries many as a growing attitude among American evangelicals. Is #TRUMP scamming churches? There’s no normal believer that believes Trump is a true conservative or even a Christian at that matter. So why vote for him? Because Trump can make America great again? ONLY GOD can make America great again!!!!

  38. Mark Henderalsky says:

    David M. Hinsen Post is from the mobile version and says Page cannot be found. Could you provide an actual link to the post pls?

  39. David M. Hinsen says:

    I think the underlying sentiment is regarding Trump. Also, if you check out Phillips’ page it seems he supports Trump as well.

  40. Bambi Lyn Carr says:

    I have been a Christian since I was 5 years old (60 now) and I trust Donald Trump. My gut feeling since I knew he was running. Period

  41. Billy Monroe Poff says:

    I just cannot for the life of me figure out the attraction that Christians have toward him… Besides him being a very arrogant naricisist, full of pride, and being a liberal up until he decided to run for president, his personal life does not reflect the Godly morals of someone I want as a leader… Not to go through a long list on here but just to throw a couple out there, he cheated on his first wife with a woman who became his second…then cheated on her for a woman who became his third…So the wife he has now, who would become the first lady of the United States, has been a model that has openly posed in the nude as a lesbian( great example of a lady with class huh?) He has built a huge fortune on the back of gambling casinos…he doesnt attend church… He has publicly said that he has never asked God for forgiveness so he is a Christian only in his own mind… He iss Biblically illiterate…etc…etc…etc… I don’t understand the evangelical support that he has AT ALL…. Whatever happened to good old fashioned morals? What has happened to having integrity in our leadership? I just do not understand…..

  42. David Lewayne Porter says:

    Trust a man that made a compete about face when he decided to run,
    Trust a man that in the 1980s (1988) had an interview in which he said if he ever ran as president he would run as a Republican because they were the easiest to fool (Google it).

    A christian and you are 60.
    Ok your Bible says to try the spirits, not to believe the spirits are trust our guts.
    1 John 4:1
    Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

    There is Godly counsel and wisdom.

  43. Mark Henderalsky says:

    Just before Marco Rubio’s 19th birthday, police reports show that a cop was sent to Alice C. Wainwright Park in Miami, Florida.

    Apparently at age 18, he violated the municipal code rules about drinking in a park. However, the police incident report never mentions alcohol!

    Instead, Marco was arrested for being in a car after the park’s closing time with his male friend Angel Barrios. To locals, the park was well-known as a place for homosexuals for cruising.

    The Washington Post implies what really happened (noting the park’s problem with people having sex in the park and the frequency of gay prostitution) and it’s clear this arrest is something that Marco Rubio would rather not talk about… http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/bombshell-report-marco-rubios-gay-scandal-surfaces/#ixzz3zsfV3I4q

  44. Carol Wiseman says:

    Trash, just trash. They said it would get brutal in Carolina. These are ALL innuendos, NOT one shred of real evidence. Just another attemp to destroy someones Character just like Christie did.

  45. Mike Chapman says:

    Donald Trump is a classic narcissistic sociopath — a self-centered, arrogant bully. I’m sorry but Donald Trump does not any of the qualities that I am looking for in a President.,

  46. John Ruffle says:

    Trump may be who America needs and DESERVES. We’re not electing a new archbishop nor a pope, nor yet a mega-pastor (thank goodness!) A president is duty bound to protect the citizens of the country he or she serves. Trump is politically incorrect. And that’s what at least ONE western nation needs. He’s the only candidate who is capable of releasing a sea-change in common opinion so we can have a stab at calling ‘right right ands wrong wrong.’ He also is far less likely to give in to powerful and rich lobbies.

  47. David Lewayne Porter says:

    And I am told by a very good source…
    Proverbs 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

    I will take God’s opinion above man’s.
    There is no other way.

    I can not nor will I cast a vote for trump. And if it is hilary or him, I will vote for neither.

  48. Bill Harman says:

    I believe that one day I will stand before God and give account for each vote I cast. I can not in good conscience vote for a candidate who supports the murder of unborn children and the proliferation of gay marriage. Also, I can not in good conscience vote for a candidate who says that he has never had to ask God for forgiveness (after bragging in his book about multiple affairs) among other things. If that means I will not be casting a vote, then I have to know in my heart that I am a citizen of another Kingdom and I have to live my life accordingly.

  49. Bill Harman says:

    That’s a non-starter argument when both candidates are the opposite side of the same coin. If after the primary, I look at both candidates (Democrat and Republican) and they are both taking stands that I can not in good conscience vote for, then that means there isn’t a candidate that I will vote for. The argument that you make only works if I like one candidate and not the other.

  50. David Lewayne Porter says:

    I am sorry but you will have to,,,,
    Answer one question for me and I will vote.
    As a Christian how do you vote between satan and another of his own devils?

    I speak Spiritually and in the physical world, I am not being funny or cute.

    I don’t see how a True Christian can vote for either, that is why the primary is so important. The Old Testament saints and prophets did not just blindly follow due to no other choice. There is always another option, a Godly option, even if it is to do nothing but pray.

    We CHRISTIANS need to choose a candidate now (through prayer and fasting) during the primary from among our people. (Don’t be concerned about the democratic candidate yet).
    We need to choose now as citizens and Christians and FORCE the NRC National Republican Committee to give us OUR choice.

    Now let me get into trouble
    (My heart) if they (the NRC) think they can scare us into accepting their choice, then maybe just maybe we Christians need to send a loud & clear message and not fall for it by refusing to play their game by their rules. Maybe the NRC needs to lose an election and lose it decisively. Then maybe our leaders will take Christians seriously. We need to stop settling for what we are given. I will remind you that the leaders in Washington are the ones we elected because we settled for the better of two choices in the past elections.

    That being said,
    The only one that the Republicans and the Democrats are all against is set forth in their own words,
    Anyone but Cruz.

    Personally, if I can’t get Cruz or Carson (I am praying about Rubio – he sends mixed signals) I will not be voting for president.
    (Let me cover my civic duty – since 1986 I have not missed one election, so I do my civic duty when I have a Christian choice).

    There is my heart gentlemen and ladies, liked or not there is my heart for this nation as a citizen and Christian.

    If God has protected us through 7 years of obama, I believe I can trust Him for 4 more years of protection. God is my protection and provider, not trump or anyone else.

    Pentecostal Theology members
    WHERE IS YOUR TRUST AND FAITH?
    Or do we just talk it? That is a true and sincere question.

  51. Bill Harman says:

    I find it hard to believe that Conservatives (let alone Christians) are going to vote for a man who brags in his book about sleeping with married women, says he’s never had to ask God for forgiveness, and says that the gay rights movement will have forward motion if he is president.

    We can sit around complaining about how bad the country is, but how many Christians voted for Obama not caring that his beliefs were out there for anyone to see, if they cared to look. It’s time for Christians to understand that just like God gave the Israelits what they wanted in King Saul, we will get what we want in a leader if we keep turning a deaf ear to the Voice of the Lord.

    I can NOT reconcile what Scripture says about a Godly leader and the lifestyle Mr Trump leads, therefore I can NOT vote for him. Our country would be in a much better place if every Christian would fast, pray, and seek God’s face (without imposing their own agenda on God) before voting. Instead we are letting a man who doesn’t bear the fruit of repentance tickle our ears with what we want to hear, and casting our vote accordingly.

  52. David Lewayne Porter says:

    trump and *true conservative* in the same sentence, now that should be funny.

    trump lined up perfectly with the democrats unto he decided to run for office.
    He gave an interview in the 1980s (I want to say 1988) in which he said that if I ever run for president I will run as a Republican because they are the easiest to fool.
    Goggle it, don’t take my word for it.

    Just remember you trump supporters (obama was a christian when he ran the first time – how did that work out for us)?

  53. Mary Frances Begley says:

    ‘you trump supporters’ do not want anything to do with OBAMA..and never believed his lies from the start…it was the liberals that pushed this….Christians didn’t vote, if you will remember….discernment….truth…light….darkness…just step back and take a deep breath…we cannot be moved by religiosity…we cannot…our Country is at stake…

  54. David Lewayne Porter says:

    Our country is at stake and in its current state because we have not followed our religiosity – if you define religiosity as living out your faith in public view.
    Proverbs 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

    The day a sinner can lead better than a true born again Christian is the day the Church, Christians, and this page needs to close up shop and stay home.

  55. Jackson Fay says:

    TRUMP said I’ll be able to save you without some silly cross. I don’t like guys who let themselves get nailed to a cross. Real saviors don’t need crosses, they need know-how. And know-how is what you’ll get with President Trump.” and Christians will still vote for him seems like

  56. Greg Baldwin says:

    I would rather Ted Cruz get the GOP nomination but if Trump gets the nomination I would vote for him as president not because he is a Christian but because he worse still far better than Clinton or Sanders. I honestly don’t know how someone who has been a Christian time enough to know good and evil could ever vote for those two democrats. And especially if you are a minister and can’t discern the lesser of two evils you need some serious help my friends

  57. Mark Henderalsky says:

    Unfortunately Trump is crushing Cruz with his Canadian birth. And more and more Christians from the South are wanting to see Trump a president. Does anyone see why Trump cannot reverse the madness?

  58. Jon Sellers says:

    Trump’s appeal is all about emotion, anger, frustration and the desire for a strong leader. It is not based on reasoned or well thought out positions. It is not based on clarity about his political ideology or values. Trump has not offered clarity. He offers hope and raw emotion. He is not a Constitutionalist, nor a conservative, nor a real Republican. He is Trump and he hopes to simply assert his own will and expect that people will want it. He is a pragmatist, but without clear guiding principles. People hope and expect he will do the right thing, but neither his history, nor his stated policies give us any solid assurance that he will.

    Trump is following in Obama’s example. Obama tapped into people’s frustration and sense of alienation. He offered slogans and vague promises. Hope and change and yes we can are lacking in substance, but are suitable for people that trust more in the personality and mythos of the man than in his clearly stated goals and policies. Trump is doing the same thing with different issues and rhetoric. But he doesn’t offer clarity about how he would actually deal with many issues and when he tries his proposed plans are simply not realistic.

  59. Stan Wayne says:

    If you vote for a Godless man? First of being stupid about the Bible is not the same as godless. Second – which presidents were more godly :Truman Eisenhower Roosevelt Harding Clinton Bush 1 Grant Etc

  60. Bill Harman says:

    I believe that I have made the case throughout this thread why I believe Trump to be godless. I don’t think that it is disputable.

  61. David Lewayne Porter says:

    By the way, I am teaching through the life of Joseph in Genesis.
    This morning is chapter 41 when because of the Spirit of God upon and within him he was promoted to second in the Kingdom under Pharoah only.
    (And he was not a pastor or priest), yet was a secular leader.
    Wow, imagine that. A Godly leader outside of the church.

    Amazing how much of this we can find as Christians if we just but look for God’s direction.

  62. Stan Wayne says:

    I think Trump is a risk but we have risked all on Christians like Bush Reagan and Carter and still the country is being flooded by Muslims and South Americans who have no ability to grasp the importance of law and limited government – the secularists are having a heyday because of demographic change- this is a paramount issue – only Trump can solve this because he has the support of blue dog democrats and labor. If you don’t understand the historical flow I understand but sometimes a person like Jackson or Grant has been useful.

  63. Jackson Fay says:

    In the years after WWI there was lack of hope in Germany. In the context of hopelessness, narcicism birthed nacism. Just ask Henry Volk – he’s had some f2f time with Putin 🙂

  64. Mark Henderalsky says:

    Trump did pretty good there. He showed understanding of true Southern culture, true concern for local problems and promised the world to southerners. Unfortunately, just like in the Obama election, democrats (Clinton) is winning the NC/SC voters with many more local delegates https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/rush-limbaughs-defense-of-trump-is-killing-conservatism/2016/03/28/9f0c2b16-f522-11e5-8b23-538270a1ca31_story.html?wpisrc=nl_az_most

  65. Stan Wayne says:

    “And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.”
    Luke 16:8 KJV

  66. Stan Wayne says:

    His stated goals that he has risked a fortune on are good.

    He is not running for pastor but commander in chief. It wasn’t until Lincoln got Grant (a profane man) that the mess of the Civil War was won – meanwhile Stonewall Jackson and Robert E Lee were brethren in Christ!

  67. Randy Buchanan says:

    He’s still better than Hillary or Bernie and that’s what it will probably come down to.

    Do you really think ALL politicians don’t lie and deceive? Of course they do!

    If you take the attitude above you might as well quit voting.

    I won’t be voting for the most virtuous person, I’ll be voting for the nominee who can best lead this country out of the morass it has been in the last 2 terms.

    We aren’t in a theocracy. We aren’t electing a pope, preacher, pastor or minister . We are electing a President and a Commander in Chief with a clear agenda and the leadership to move that agenda forward.

    I actually can see Peter and Paul voting for Trump because they knew the value of praying for unredeemed political leaders.

    “First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way.”
    1 Timothy 2:1-2 ESV
    http://bible.com/59/1ti.2.1-2.esv

    Those who Paul was saying to pray for in positions of civil leadership were heathens and pagans. He said even they can be used of God to bring peace and dignity to daily life.

  68. Jacque Polk Hindman says:

    Can I ask what you will do if he IS the choice? Are you saying you would rather see Hilary or Bernie? NOT a Trump supporter….BUT, I am having issue with people who bash a candidate one month and a few months later are trying to get him elected.

  69. Mary Dinnan says:

    I am not a Trump follower and would not vote for him as far as I have listened to him, he hates women, ugly fat women, Rosie and is a COWARD for not being on the debate tonight. He let a pretty white woman stop him from telling us how wonderful he is????

  70. Jackson Fay says:

    Turmps NOT appearing is a very smart move on his part. No presidential candidate has dared go down that path. By doing it Trump is doing EXACTLY what the people would want him do – disregard any political or TV networks intriguing and come out on the other side stronger and swinging. A very risky but in his position a very smart tactical move in the time of debate when the hard questions are asked. He will not have to answer them and will come with higher ratings. Trump is not my favorite either but lets not resource into name calling in this CHRISTIAN group. David M. Hinsen Jon Sellers

  71. David George says:

    Christian or not.. common sense tells you by the actions of this man he is not right in the head. The bible says that Out of the abundance the heart the mouth speaks

  72. Jackson Fay says:

    Obama is done and old news. Trump knows after what he did to Megan, FOX news will destroy him at a debate. So he gets them where it hurts – MONEY – and he knows it. Much lesser number of people will even watch the debate without Trump and Fox will have hurt ratings tomorrow. While Trump will be in triumph all over all other media channels that will gladly have him to take Fox ratings. A very, very smart business move. Link Hudson has PhD in some sort of economics and even he will have to admit Trump is making a great financial move tonight. Never mind the people loving him for doing it

  73. Jackson Fay says:

    Vlad that’s what Fox news said to smoke him out but it aint happening. This is a very good move for him. I will not be surprised if NOT appearing puts him at 50% ratings in about a week or so. But he will not win the elections at the end. Washington is structured for Hillary and they will have it no other way… [BTW little girl is a form of name calling] Roger

  74. Tom Steele says:

    I think in many ways Christians, at least genuine ones, see Trump as the possible lesser of two evils. It seems that standing next to Hillary, Trump seems to stand out to most as the better choice, not as though that is really saying much.

  75. Rebecca Nelson-Innocent says:

    Donald Trump is the most un-Christian, sickening, hateful, racist, uncompassionate…oh my gosh…I could go on all night. Christians who support this man…well, lets just say that I question your faith. I may even call you a hypocrite! We are NOT to hate our brothers without cause! Feed those who are hungry, clothe those who have no coat! Hello! This man rubs me so raw! I am trying so hard, but I can’t even get my thoughts out properly! Lesser of two evils? You’re joking right? Dear Lord help us if this man gets elected! Christian voters tying their own nooses!

  76. Anna Mae Slate says:

    Enjoy reading your comments. Where else can I get down with the truth that the T.V. isn’t telling? There is always two sides to every lie! Thank you.

  77. Jackson Fay says:

    David M. Hinsen guess we were right about Trump’s rating going up after last night. Debates with The Donald have averaged 17.3 million total viewers. Without Trump, the events have brought in just 6 million total viewers, on average. Sorry Fox news, even Link Hudson will tell you this was a bad, bad business decision http://www.thewrap.com/donald-trumps-yuge-impact-on-debates-ratings-by-the-numbers/ Jon Sellers what did you fin about this?

  78. Jackson Fay says:

    NOT going to the debate last night gave Trump extra +7 points in the Iowa Republican Presidential Caucus http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_republican_presidential_caucus-3194.html Even Krauthammer agreed that it was one of the greatest political moves in this presidential campaign so far… http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/01/29/krauthammer_debate_insults_ill_leave_it_to_the_viewers_to_figure_out_why.html

  79. David George says:

    I really don’t. care what Trump does and he isn’t going to win anyways. I’m Canadian and a North American Indian. I have dual citizenship and can live on either side of the border. I even joined the Marine Corp in 1972 and served 4yrs. My oldest son joined the US Army and served two tours in Afghanistan and I am proud of him cause he defended a country that tried to genocide our people. I am a full blooded Oneida and our territory was most of New York State. We are credited with helping George Washington and his army survive the harsh winter. My ancestors adopted his name for ours and that is why my surname is George. We was on this land we call Turtle Island when Jesus walked on this earth. We didn’t come on a boat we was here to stay. I support your President cause he is a Blackman and his ancestors came to this country shackled in the bellies of your ships to pick your cotton, till your fields, clean your houses and raise your children. The blacks are the great in everything they do cause they are blessed by God. And as a native man I have a kinship with these beautiful people. We both suffered brutal racism in our land. Now as a christian native we don’t ramble over politics cause we strive to be like Jesus who also was brutalized by his own people. Get off the television and get on your knees. I think it is more important to know what God is saying. This is my last time commenting on this site cause there will some know it all giving his two cents and you can keep your money. we have riches that this earth can’t even fathom. Bless you.. Philip David George

  80. David M. Hinsen says:

    I think we could draw much from Romans 13. Unless, of course, I’m reading it out of context.

    These are great discussions, though.

  81. Jackson Fay says:

    Great points in this discussion were made BUT when in the final is Trump vs Hillary, who else would good ol’ conservative Christians vote for?

  82. Jackson Fay says:

    David Lewayne Porter many Christians in this conversation will NOT vote either if this is the only choice BUT do you know that the less people vote, the greater the possibility for political agendas to be run without the will of the people. So not a great choice either. BTW did you ever get my priv. msg the other day?

  83. David Lewayne Porter says:

    Research how the funds he raised for the veterans is routed (thru his foundation – it’s been in existence since 1988). It has not given hardly anything since it’s establishment.
    Trump himself has not given much of anything to veterans or veteran groups from 2009 thru 2013.
    (Source http://www.mediaite.com)

    So why now?

  84. Stan Wayne says:

    He is hopeless trying to act like a Christian although he thinks infant baptism is enough – but

    Remember Lincoln could not make progress in the mess we were in in 1862 until he chose a very coarse leader – Grant

  85. Gay Green says:

    Many have tried to explain Trump’s rise in the nine months since he entered the race, and now President Obama can be counted among them: He offered up his analysis of Trump and the broader fight for the Republican presidential nomination during a speech Friday afternoon at a Democratic National Committee event at Texas’s Austin Music Hall. “We’ve got a debate inside the other party that is fantasy and schoolyard taunts and selling stuff like it’s the Home Shopping Network,” he joked. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/12/president-obamas-brutal-assessment-of-the-rise-of-donald-trump/?wpisrc=nl_az_most

  86. Tim Renneberg says:

    Is it possible that God’s choice is none of the above instead of one of the above? I have a difficult time believing that the “court of popular vote/opinion is indicative of God’s choice. Does God want America to be great again (wherever that political rhetoric means) or does God want something else?

  87. Jan Dixon Sykes says:

    Does God ever pick the “perfect” candidate to do his work? He picked the flawed Jacob. He picked the daydreaming Joseph. He plucked the little brother David from out in the field. If we have someone with the perfect resume, then that person gets the credit. If the person is flawed, then we all know it was Christ who worked through him to perform the great things. ……. The more the media, the establishment, and the other candidates come against Trump, the better he looks to me.

  88. Gay Green says:

    Or could it be that 2 Chronicles 7:14 — to humble ourselves, to pray, to seek God’s face, and to turn from our evil ways, when interpreted properly, means exactly to turn away from Trump’s ways? David M. Hinsen Brody Pope

  89. Gay Green says:

    David Lewayne Porter There’s also another frank and honest answer to OP: No, these vehement protests against Donald Trump are not the work of the enemy. Thank you!

  90. David Lewayne Porter says:

    “So your point is what Gay Green?
    Did I say the protest against trump were the work of the enemy?
    I don’t think so
    I just know trump, nor any person is the answer to the world’s problems (problem – sin).”

  91. Nelson Banuchi says:

    “(1) No, Trump is not God’s choice for this nation. God’s desire is to raise the righteous. If the wicked prevail and are raised, it is for purposes of judgment.

    (2) If Trump becomes President, it is by the choice of the American people, many Christians, apparently, included and not God.

    (3) If Trump becomes President, it is because God allows man free will to determine his own affairs, even if that choice is against His will.

    (4) God allows men to be deluded as judgment for their continued defiance or indifference to His will.

    (5) One may decide whether it is because of #3, man’s defiance, or #4, man’s being deluded, as the reason for Trump’s success, if he becomes President.

    Either way, it is not God’s intention for men who seek no divine forgiveness to prosper.”

  92. Ricky Grimsley says:

    “Daniel 2:21 KJVS
    [21] And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:
    God is going to give us who we deserve and who is best to lead us to his will (which is probably judgment), america has been crying “”give us barabas”” for a long time. Politics by its very nature is based on deception and being “”men-pleasers and flatteries. As ambassadors for christ we should maybe be more like Abraham Hebrews 11:9-10 KJVS
    [9] By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: [10] For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.”

  93. Jan Dixon Sykes says:

    I am sick of this fixation on Trump bashing while Cruz repeats a few Bible verses and bamboozles us all. ……… Cruz is the wolf in sheep’s clothing. He is an insider with an outsider’s mask. He is funded by the bailed out Goldman Sachs, and now Neil Bush of the bailed out Savings and Loan debacle. He is an open borders guy who tried to save the immigration bill by watering it down a tad to give the illegals legality instead of citizenship. He could fight for their citizenship another day. He was initially for that awful Trans Pacific deal and voted to fast track it, until he saw it would pass without his vote and he could reverse it. His wife wrote a brief for the Council of Foreign Relations on how the PRIVATE sector instead of the PUBLIC sector could move illegal labor across borders. Cruz called that a “dissenting” viewpoint. A dissenting viewpoint is not to bring in illegals at all. Not a differing way to succeed at it. …….. Cruz is unethical in how he lied about Carson, photoshopped Rubio’s head on a different person, sent out phony voter “low grade” cards, tweeted the wrong caption over Rubio’s audio. He says he won’t attack Trump personally while calling him PT Barnum and a coward. We’re buying those aren’t personal attacks? He lies about Trump’s positions. Now he speaks Clintonian in his denial of his affairs. He never answered the reporters question if he had ever cheated on Heidi, he just kept bashing the Enquirer and Trump–who didn’t plant it. Rubio did.

  94. Jan Dixon Sykes says:

    I also keep hearing how Trump went bankrupt four times. Know how many companies Trump has? Over five hundred. Cruz lost HALF his Supreme Court arguments. At that rate, Trump could have gone bankrupt 250 times to keep pace with Cruz. Ya’ll want another Harvard graduate lawyer who is a first term Senator? I don’t.

  95. Jan Dixon Sykes says:

    Trump may be the one God has sent to heal our land, Troy, but like Israel, we keep killing the prophets God sends us. We are 19 trillion in debt, on the verge of being re-possessed by the international banksters. I want to fly under the American flag, not the UN flag. We need someone who knows how to finangle this brink of disaster we are on. Trump has offered us his skill set. He could be playing golf on any one of his courses. He is 69, retirement age. He gave up his TV show, his Macy’s contract, his beauty pageant, even his good name to subjugate himself to media gotcha games. His innocent wife is even now being accused of doing lesbian porn. ………… I’m embarrassed at the evangelical feeding frenzie we are engaged in on someone who has had a death bed conversion. According to us, the thief on the cross could have never made it. He didn’t ask for forgiveness properly, ya know. In fact, all he said was “remember me….” No repentance at all that I see. Nor any evidence of change afterwards, either.

  96. Jan Dixon Sykes says:

    Who are we to say Trump isn’t a Christian? He may not be an evangelical, but he certainly does his best. His anointing doesn’t look like ours, so we burn him at the stake? Corrupt people in power fear him. That’s what I want. I don’t remember Peter have the “temperament” to be an apostle, but Jesus picked him anyway. ………… And yes, Trump had to resign as the boss on the Apprentice to run for president. Mark Burnett, who married Roma Downey of Touched by an Angel, both good Christians who do clean programming picked Trump to be the boss on their Apprentice show. They are now going forward with Arnold.

  97. Ricky Grimsley says:

    Trump isnt a christian because of his refusal to repent of sin. If you research mark burnett and roma downey you will discover they are not christians either

  98. Jan Dixon Sykes says:

    Oh please. I deliberately mentioned the thief on the cross because his repentance didn’t match our format, either. But Jesus knew his heart and accepted it. Likewise, Trump has said he at first just corrects his violation. Then, later in church, during communion, he asks for forgiveness and feels cleansed. …….. The Burnetts did the Bible series. They only do clean programming, and they very much are standout Christians in the Hollywood cesspool.

  99. Jan Dixon Sykes says:

    So Roma has to be theologically perfect to be a Christian. Guess none of the disciples were Christian then, cuz I think all 12 of them kept thinking Christ was going to have an earthy kingdom regardless of what Jesus kept telling them. Look, she prays to Jesus, not Allah, not Buddha, not her dead ancestors, not the tree in her front yard. That makes her a Christian. I really don’t believe she thinks angels are gods. ……… I got married by some Unitarian woman minister in Belize. Wonder if my marriage was legitimate….. Maybe I’ve been living in sin. Gee, maybe I’ll be left behind. …….. Oh, and I’ve been reading that heretical gospel of Mark again which says “what things so ever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.”

  100. David Lewayne Porter says:

    “Gay Green
    Good post, good article.
    I pray for him.
    If he becomes president I will pray for him, the office, as well as still for this nation.
    But do I pray for him to become president?

    I pray against him becoming president, I pray firmly against it.
    I still believe with all that is within me that that man is bad and totally wrong for this nation. Do I believe he can build a fence (yes),
    Do I believe he will help the economy (yes),

    But I believe there are (spirits) behind him, around him, and influencing him that are bad for and just wrong for this nation.

    Yes I pray for him. But not the way others want him prayed for.”

  101. Jan Dixon Sykes says:

    Whatever “spirits” around Trump are, they aren’t selling America out to the globalist like that Deceiver Cruz is. I’ll take Trump’s mini demons over Cruz’s mega ones.

  102. Stan Wayne says:

    You guys don’t seem to be on top of the changes in the guy – he has become increasingly conservative for the past 10 years as he has aged – he is not a born again Christian but is very pro American and pro Christian in a Presbyterian or cultural sense

  103. Stan Wayne says:

    The guy has put up millions of his own money and risked his business goodwill and will have to put everything into a blind trust simply because he is disgusted with what Obama and Bush have screwed up

  104. Jan Dixon Sykes says:

    Well, apparently 38% of Trump supporters are NOT lukewarm. I am sick of the shallow hit job Christians are doing on Trump. He has a terrific 11-year marriage, in which he has been loyal the whole time. He is a real estate developer, where none of his buildings are shoddy. He is not some Bernie Madoff. He provides a good product and people buy it. ………… He does not have “strip clubs.” One resort in Atlantic City, AFTER he gave up control and most of his shares, put in a gentlemen’s bar. Since then he now has NO shares in the resort. Oh, yeah, that one is the Taj Mahal, where he supposedly went “bankrupt” and stiffed everyone. Funny, it’s still open. Please educate yourself people on the difference between a Chapter 13, where people are paid, and a chapter 7, where people are stiffed.

  105. Jan Dixon Sykes says:

    Oh really–a fraud. You mean like Jim Bakker who sold more time shares than there was time? Trump does not sell hotel rooms he does not have, condos he does not have, golf tee times he does not have. He does not come in to an area and build half a complex and leave it an eyesore like frauds do. He took the broken skating rink in Central Park in NYC after NYC had spent 6 years and 13 million. Trump spent 3 million in 6 months and made it work. It still works. …….. Or do you mean fraud like Jimmy Swaggart who cried and begged for forgiveness–and then went right back to the red light district? I’d rather have a man simply change, which is what real repentance is.

  106. Jan Dixon Sykes says:

    So Trump must be a none because the nones are voting for him? I thought 38% of his voters were devout Christians. Trump even donated to Cruz. Maybe that means he is exactly like Cruz, too.

  107. Gay Green says:

    Donald Trump sprinkles his stump speeches with profanity. He used to support abortion, and says he’s never sought forgiveness from God for his sins. He memorably referred to communion, the Christian sacrament commemorating Jesus’ last supper, as drinking “the little wine” and eating “the little cracker.” The thrice-married mogul calls the Bible his favorite book, but when pressed he couldn’t name his best-loved verse. He says he likes the Old and New Testaments about the same. This is not the profile of an especially devout man, let alone a presidential candidate cut out to court Christian conservatives. http://dominicanwatchdog.org/page-Cap_Cana_vs_Trump_and_Altabello_Fishing_Lodge

  108. Gay Green says:

    “Cap Cana was just a small fraction. #TRUMP brags about his businesses skills, but have knowingly filed bankruptcy at least 4 times:

    1991 – Trump Taj Mahal – $3 billion debt/loss

    1992 – Trump Castle Associates – several million $$$ in loss

    2004 – Trump Hotel & Casino Resorts – another $500 mil. loss

    2009 – Trump Entertainment Resorts – $53.1 million bond loss

    The two Atlantic City casinos that still had the Trump name filed for bankruptcy yet again in 2014. At the time Trump made sure people knew he was no longer running the company, and sued to have his name removed. Is this how the man is planning to run the country?

    http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/31/news/companies/donald-trump-bankruptcy/

  109. Stan Wayne says:

    This is stupid – nothing tried nothing gained Lincoln Grant Col Sanders the guy in the Big Short failed and they picked themselves up and did it again

  110. Phil Hoover says:

    Some things we don’t have to try…to know they are evil, immoral, debauchery, and sinful. God’s Word is our standard, compass, and ultimate authority…not Humpty Trumpty’s massive broken promises, foul-mouthed insults, and disregard for public decency. People who are listening to the Holy Spirit–and not just their own prejudices–will know the difference.

  111. Jan Dixon Sykes says:

    Troy, how many companies have you started and run? Do you even know the difference between a Chapter 11 and a Chapter 7? Trump is no failure. Atlantic City lost patrons. Trump reorganized. He didn’t go running to the tax payer to bail him out. He gave up his yacht and his airline. And shares. The banks and creditors basically “repossessed” their loans, and gave him a chance to pay off the lowered debt. So nobody was really hurt. That is how capitalism works. His biggest creditor, Ichan, is his biggest fan. I’m sure Ichan has made big money on some of Trump’s other projects. Trump has huge projects all over the world. I should be so lucky to be such a failure. I can’t even afford a 400 sq ft., $800,000 studio condo in Trump Place on NYC’s west side. ……. Have you been in Trump Tower on 5th Ave to see his “failure” there? It has a waterfall in the lobby. And I mean waterfall. Like story after story after story high.

  112. Carl Murphy says:

    The post says, “a serious rebuke”. Sounds more like sour grapes because you didn’t vote my way. He needs to realize that less than 20% of Americans attend church weekly.

  113. Carl Murphy says:

    What gets me is all the Christians here attacking Trump, judging him and assuming facts not in evidence. I think a big look in the mirror wouldn’t hurt any of us

  114. David Lewayne Porter says:

    “Carl Murphy
    I have the facts,
    Go search for them,
    Sounds bites and video of him are everywhere,

    If you so care to go seek the truth for yourself.

    So then
    Thank you for judging that I have not done my homework and I have.

    Man that has to sting.
    Look in your mirror, I already have and I found it to be a window.

    Anything else about me you would like for me to clarify for you?”

  115. Terry Wiles says:

    Sound bites are not facts. Let yourself be interviewed by local or national media and you will understand how they have no understanding of context.

  116. David Lewayne Porter says:

    “Terry

    trump in his very own book said that as Marla Maples was coming down the aisle toward him during the wedding ceremony he was thinking “” I am already bored, what am I doing here””. And to that time he had just used her for sex. So simply bored after sex and he married her anyway.
    So he committed adultery, divorced his wife, married the other woman – knowing he was not really into it.

    And we want that as our president?
    A “”less than whole heartily committing”” leader?

    Hey, facts,
    Don’t take my word for it, go read his book. The book he approved, trumpNation by Tim O’Brien.
    Or was he just “”running off at the mouth””? But then that would mean that we can’t trust what he says.

    (In case you don’t trust sound-bites).

    Then I guess you can’t hold any one accountable can you.
    GO HILLARY!
    It is all just a big misunderstanding.
    (I did not have sex with that woman).”

  117. Jan Dixon Sykes says:

    David, Marla was pregnant. He made an honest woman out of her. Kept her child from being a bastard. He paid first wife Ivana 25 million plus the house in CT and child support for her kids. Saw his kids regularly. …….. I rent to women whose baby daddies (yes, plural) are in jail. Who never married them. Who never pay child support or see their kids. This is not the 50s. The culture changed out from under you. Trump is a saint in today’s culture.

  118. David Lewayne Porter says:

    “Jan
    So you justify the fact his heart was not in it? He made an honest woman out if her for how long? (Should not have been unfaithful to his wife to start with). Hey let’s back sin as Christians.
    Where is the marriage now?
    Oh yes failed like trump magazine, water, steaks, shuttle – airlines, etc.

    Think on this
    Romans 1:32
    Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

    Are the voters taking pleasure in him and what he does?

    Folks, vote your conscience, you will have to deal with it and answer for it.
    Not a fear tactic, just the fact.”

  119. Stan Wayne says:

    “What a riot – must be how the upper echelons of the Republican Party sounds – not to mention the editorial departments everywhere – it’s them against the hoi poloi

    Who will win ?”

  120. David Lewayne Porter says:

    I reserve the right to tell you all I told you so when all holy refuse and crud breaks loose (what happened, we did not know, he changed, he lied to us),

  121. Stan Wayne says:

    When I say I told you so there will be so many Muslims letting off bombs and Mexicans complaining about white privilege that it will be too late

  122. David Lewayne Porter says:

    “My point exactly,
    I am already expecting true Christians to give their lives on American soil for their faith, no one will stop that.

    I am not only expecting it, but am prepared for it because I will not comprise. Not on here, not in politics, not now, not then.”

  123. Jan Dixon Sykes says:

    Just curious: All those who voted for Reagan the second time he ran cuz he was so good and pure the first four years–how do you rationalize he subjected himself to a wife who ran his schedule according to the occult after his assassination attempt? His son said today at Nancy’s funeral that he didn’t even believe in an afterlife. His daughter posed for Playboy. He couldn’t even lead his own family on a righteous path. He couldn’t keep his first wife, either. Bet he had sex with Nancy prior to their marriage. Plus, his veep Bush Sr was bringing in cocaine into Mena AR to finance the contras in Central America. …….. But oh, we make excuses for Reagan’s shortcomings, don’t we? Can’t do the same for Trump. He has a “foul” mouth. And he doesn’t repent according to our formula. He does it during communion, God forbid.

  124. Gay Green says:

    “Trump, authoritarians, and fear

    Based on our data, Morning Consult data scientist Adam Petrihos said that “”among Republicans, very high/high authoritarianism is very predictive of support for Trump.”” Trump has 42 percent support among Republicans but, according to our survey, a full 52 percent support among very high authoritarians.

    Authoritarianism was the best single predictor of support for Trump, although having a high school education also came close. And as Hetherington noted after reviewing our results, the relationship between authoritarianism and Trump support remained robust, even after controlling for education level and gender. http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism#fear

  125. Jan Dixon Sykes says:

    What a bunch of liberal hogwash. People are not voting for Trump based on “authoritarianism.” They are voting for him to unshackle themselves from a repressive Uncle Sam. To go to Washington and turn over the tables of corrupt back room deals. To burn the place down. To rid themselves of Obamacare, Common Core, the EPA. They just want a job. Someone who knows how to create a job. ……… The irony is that it is liberals that are control freaks. Regulate guns, schools, politically correct speech, child safety products, wages, health care.

  126. David Lewayne Porter says:

    “I think we all are just helping America line up with God’s plan to end all of this.
    If the Church is so divided forget doing much with reaching the world. (Satire and sarcasm).”

  127. Ricky Grimsley says:

    Perhaps now is the time to start to preaching the “day of the lord is at hand”. I have never been convinced that america is in any of the “endtime” scenarios. Maybe because we become irrelevant because of war or economics?

  128. Nelson Banuchi says:

    “””Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?”” asked Trump. And says, “”I work hard, I’m an honorable person.””

    Donald Trump

    Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/trump-why-do-i-have-to-repent-or-ask-for-forgiveness-if-i-am-not-making-mistakes-video-141856/#u6ctIpMcuktcov7z.99

    Here we have a man who, apparently, lacks the fundamental humility required to actually be what he professes to be. Are Christians voting for Trump because he claims to be a Christian? I am questioning if all those voting for Trump because he says he’s a Christian have somehow lost the meaning of what it means to be a Christian, that is, a Christ-follower.

    No one is a Christian who has not come before the God of Israel, confessed their sinfulness, and repented of their transgressions by turning to God’s Son, Jesus Christ, for forgiveness.

    In 1 John 1:8-10 we read, “”If we say that we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves, and refusing to accept the truth…If we claim we have not sinned, we are lying and calling God a liar, for he says we have sinned”” (Living Bible).

    There may be much to bring to the front as evidence that Trump is not really what he professes to be, but to think that one needs no forgiveness, why that is the height of hubris, an attempt to make oneself equal to God, if not higher, and insults the gracious Sacrifice of Christ.

    “”You cannot bring yourself to repent if you have nailed the Son of God to the Cross again by rejecting him, holding him up to mocking and public shame”” (Hebrews 6:6, Living Bible).

    In my opinion, Christians made an error in judgment voting for Obama. Let us not add to our error by swinging the pendulum to the opposite extreme voting for Trump.”

  129. Stan Wayne says:

    This forgiveness argument is nonsense – it is taken out of context – I heard the repartee with the reporter and he was avoiding a headline like “trump admits wrongdoing”. It was none of the reporters business and trump said he tries to not do things that demand apologies or forgiveness. Paraphrase.

  130. Ricky Grimsley says:

    Anyone who thinks trump is a christian needs to read the bible again. On the flipside, i seriously doubt the christianity of all in the process.

  131. David Lewayne Porter says:

    “Proverbs 29:2
    When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

    We are held responsible to help place godly leaders.
    Maybe the better question is, should we disclose our personal choices?”

  132. Jan Dixon Sykes says:

    I think Jesus needs to go back in history and not pick that wicked, tax-collecting cheater, Matthew, to be an apostle. Nor that bad tempered, Peter, to be an apostle. Nor that war mongering, Simon the Zealot, to be an apostle.

  133. Gay Green says:

    All mentioned above paid their taxes, did not go bankrupt, staid married, did not own casinos and strip joints. What else is out there? Oh yes, and had no ambition to become presidents of the USA. So compare them apples to oranges will ya? #ComparingApostlesTOpresidents

  134. Carl Murphy says:

    I think Megyn Kelly happened. She went from journalist to would be movie star and quit reporting the news and instead became the news. Fox has been a great disappointment this election cycle for me.

  135. Ricky Grimsley says:

    If ever people needed discernment its when you watch the news. Truth is usually not the agenda. When you see what stories they avoid (even fox), you can still see its all about control.

  136. Jan Dixon Sykes says:

    When Megyn went on a late night show and claimed her question if Trump was a misogynist was “tough,” it was laughable. Then she sat there and tried to take some of the credit for Trump skipping the debate. That was the last straw for me. I used to root for her when she fist got prime time. Now I want her to go home and raise her children.

  137. Gay Green says:

    To operate strip clubs in your casinos? After all, when the Trump Taj Mahal Casino in Atlantic City became the very first casino to operate an in-house strip club in 2013, it was in bankruptcy, and needed some extra appeal. Today the strip club is operated by Trump Entertainment Resorts Inc. So show us his Christian morals and scripture? https://www.facebook.com/237960463214466/photos/a.238937216450124.1073741828.237960463214466/238936403116872/?type=3&theater

  138. David Lewayne Porter says:

    “Troy
    Ty, that is what I have been saying (but then the response will be – he is not running for pastor just political office) he just may pip-out our daughters to fund our wall..

    I would not put it past him.”

  139. Louise Cummings says:

    We are living in the falling away time I believe. Also at the same time. A great out pouring of the Holy Spirit is being poured out. The Bible said both would be going on in the last days. The Bible said in the last days there would be a great falling away. He also said in the last days there would be a great outpouring of The Holy Spirit. Both will be going on at the same time. I choose to live in The Great Outpouring. That is the only way I see we can take it. There is only two ways in the White House. Both is scary with out God. So what can we do except us Trusting in God. We ought always do that anyway.

  140. Gay Green says:

    “A real hunger for truth is replacing political correctness. Donald Trump is a symptom of widespread anger with political correctness. We are a fed up culture now. People agree with Trump about America and that is why all of the criticism the media is throwing at him does not stick.

    Many believers are angry with politically correct preaching. The cry now is, “Quit feeding us junk food!” We want experience power, not a feel good message. Look around you… the hunger for truth is rising. A true desperation is replacing our attitude of entitlement. Americans know that they are losing their future to our government. They no longer harbor the fantasy that tells us we’re going to pull out of this just because we are America. https://mariomurilloministries.wordpress.com/2015/08/09/the-william-branham-moment/

  141. David Lewayne Porter says:

    “I think it is more than political correctness.
    The reason I am again the main-line establishment is because they are more concerned about the possibility of losing their sacred positions than standing up for America and stopping the junk that has gone on for the past 7+ years.”

  142. David Lewayne Porter says:

    “Since my name is in the screen shot, let me state my stance clearly.

    I agree with Max Lucado that the White House needs decency and so does this nation.
    I do not personally see that characteristic in trump or decency coming from him on any level.

    I remember just a few weeks ago when several people were telling me that “”we are not voting for pastor””. It is as if America expects and openly welcomes character flaws.”

  143. Timothy D McCune says:

    I agree with Max Lucado i think Trump is not the man for the job of president. I will admit i have agreed with a couple of trumps talking points, but overall i think he is not right to lead America.

  144. Gay Green says:

    Donald Trump won TN with 43.2% Vote and 26 Delegates. Same in GA 43% and 24. Dropped out: Bush, Christie, Fiorina, Gilmore, Graham, Huckabee, Jindal, Pataki, Paul, Perry, Santorum, Walker

  145. Anthony Lombard says:

    I understand the concern about Trump’s religious status. I share this vital concern. However, if we are going to apply Biblical tests to one candidate, let’s do it for all. Does any sane person think for one moment that Hillary is a fit example of Biblical morality and integrity? In the choices we have, I am not looking for a pastor I am looking for a president. I would like to have a blend of both, but the choices are not there. We either vote for someone who has vowed to continue the downward spiral we are now on or vote for someone who has vowed to reverse the slide. My responsibility is to make the best decision given my choices. I have small hope that anyone can turn this ship around. The only hope is divine intervention. Even so come Lord Jesus!

  146. Gay Green says:

    Comparing Trump with Christ is a straw man argument. Who is even saying that? Christ is Trump as much as Hillary is the virgin Mary Jon Sellers long proposed it will be T vs H in the final round, but the main question is what would be the Pentecostal response to the political situation we have in America today? I do hope most sound minds here disagree with the Charisma magazine prophets that Jesus is coming back before this November’s elections? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/its-super-tuesday-somewhere-toward-a-pentecostal-reflection-to-the-use-of-political-theology-among-american-evangelicals-in-the-21st-century/

  147. William Dick says:

    I’ll agree, AMEN only a man who follows the LAMB can make this country great, that’s not a SELF made man, but a CHRIST conformed man. As he is changed as a follower of Jesus Christ from glory to glory our nation can follow…..

  148. Nelson Banuchi says:

    “Re: the OP, here’s what I felt I needed to post on my FB page a couple of days ago…

    “”Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?”” asked Trump. “”I work hard, I’m an honorable person.””

    Donald Trump

    Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/trump-why-do-i-have-to-repent-or-ask-for-forgiveness-if-i-am-not-making-mistakes-video-141856/#u6ctIpMcuktcov7z.99

    Here we have a man who, apparently, lacks the fundamental humility required to actually be what he professes to be. Are Christians voting for Trump because he claims to be a Christian? I am questioning if all those voting for Trump because he says he’s a Christian have somehow lost the meaning of what it means to be a Christian, that is, a Christ-follower.

    No one is a Christian who has not come before the God of Israel, confessed their sinfulness, and repented of their transgressions by turning to God’s Son, Jesus Christ, for forgiveness.

    In 1 John 1:8-10 we read, “”If we say that we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves, and refusing to accept the truth…If we claim we have not sinned, we are lying and calling God a liar, for he says we have sinned”” (Living Bible).

    There may be much to bring to the front as evidence that Trump is not really what he professes to be, but to think that one needs no forgiveness, why that is the height of hubris, an attempt to make oneself equal to God, if not higher, and insults the gracious Sacrifice of Christ.

    “”You cannot bring yourself to repent if you have nailed the Son of God to the Cross again by rejecting him, holding him up to mocking and public shame”” (Hebrews 6:6, Living Bible).

    In my opinion, Christians made an error in judgment voting for Obama. Let us not add to our error by swinging the pendulum to the opposite extreme voting for Trump.”

  149. Stan Wayne says:

    This is silly – can you imagine the headline: “Trump admits to wrongdoing” – stupid – that is why Catholics have private confessionals

  150. Ricky Grimsley says:

    Anyone who believes trump is a christian is totally blind to the gospel. However, im sure most of us would take issue with max lucado on some of his beliefs.

  151. Michael Postlethwait says:

    I can certainly appreciate why many aren’t excited about the prospect of a Trump presidency. What I don’t understand however is how many apparently believe that Clinton is the lesser of two evils. I think the damage she would do to the judiciary for generations to come would far surpasses anything Trump may do on his worst day in office. Furthermore, I suspect Trump will be on a much shorter leash with Congress than Clinton if for no other reason than not wanting to be labeled misogynist.

  152. Troy May says:

    What’s up with this post on a fine Sunday afternoon? Stan Wayne Carl Murphy I read one stats where Trump is leading by 4% and another where he is trailing Hillary from afar

  153. Carl Murphy says:

    Honestly I believe Christians should vote their conscience, they should not invoke God to beat others over the head. It is as bad to me as Westboro Baptist Church, a bunch of clowns that are religious but in my opinion certainly not following Luke 9:23. Being followers of Christ and not Judaizers that say you much vote this way are you are not a Christian. Or bestowing the title of “God’s man” on someone is not our job. Would you like a man like the pastor of Westboro Baptist to be president? He certainly presidents himself as a man of God. I am friends with several of the Conn’s should we conform to their beliefs, there being as many doctrines as there are Conn’s which one do we chose? No let God speak to each of us, individually and guide us. I am reminded of the words of the president of the AG Bible College I received a degree in Bible from. If God had a message for me, he knows me, he knows my heart and he knows where I am, he doesn’t have to leave a message with the neighbors.

  154. Jon Sellers says:

    The OT prophets dealt with national politics all the time. So we must understand how the gospel and Christian witness relates to our own politics today.

  155. Troy May says:

    Hey I dont necessarily disagree with you. It’s jsut bad theology to keep God out of politics (and other stuff). I hope Trump wins but then again I just dont see it going his way as easy as Stan Wayne does in wishful thinking. I’ll look you up when next in NY and we will go visit Trump Tower – all right 🙂

  156. Troy May says:

    Not really. Not if we are still considering who endorsed Trump among our own Pentecostals churches, our own current stand on Israel (and Palestine) and how our own eschatology is changing with all that Jon Sellers

  157. Gilberto Rosado says:

    I know who supports Trump – American citizens regardless of their theological views. Because they render to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God that which is God’s.

  158. Ricky Grimsley says:

    I dont see why you would separate politics from theology especially if you are openly endorsing someone. How many ministers have flocked to trump and even say he is a christian. Look at the past. What is the basis as a christian to even be involved in the process. Are we not ambassadors for christ?

  159. Ricky Grimsley says:

    If we could be partaker of someone’s evil deeds for “bidding them God speed” how much more for voting them in to leader of the free world?

  160. Mary Ellen Nissley says:

    “Righteousness exalteth a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people.
    If America does not repent of her sin, she has no right to expect God to help her be great again.
    Furthermore, if a Christian trusts in an unrighteous political leader to make America great again, bypassing the repentance factor… that Christian is putting his faith more in that man, than in God.”

  161. Troy May says:

    “Gilberto Rosado on the contrary brother. It seems that politics is forcing us toward a Pentecostal Theology of #TRUMP We have 5 prophecies from Pentecostals vs. 5 warning words against it. Prophetic WARNINGS:

    – MICHAEL L BROWN SHARES WHY EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS SHOULD NOT SUPPORT #TRUMP http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/michael-l-brown-shares-why-evangelical-christians-should-not-support-trump/

    – MAX LUCADO: DECENCY FOR PRESIDENCY http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/max-lucado-decency-for-presidency/

    – Wall Street Journal: A SERIOUS REBUKE TO #EVANGELICALS SUPPORTING #TRUMP http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/a-serious-rebuke-to-evangelicals-supporting-trump/

    – WHAT CHRISTIANS THINK ABOUT TRUMP? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/what-christians-think-about-trump/

    – 5 REASONS CHRISTIANS SHOULD NOT SUPPORT DONALD TRUMP http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/what-christians-think-about-trump/

    Prophetic WORDS:

    1. THE TRUMP OF GOD (1 TH. 4:16) IS NOT THE SAME AS THE 7TH TRUMPET OF REV. 11:15-13:18. http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/the-trump-of-god-1-th-416-is-not-the-same-as-the-7th-trumpet-of-rev-1115-1318/

    2. A 2ND PROPHETIC DREAM ABOUT TRUMP: FROM TRUMP TO TRIUMPH http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/a-2nd-prophetic-dream-about-trump-from-trump-to-triumph/

    3. Vehement protests against Donald Trump are the work of the enemy 6:0:https://www.facebook.com/groups/thelogy/permalink/978481735540175/

    4. PRESIDENT NIXON WITH 1987 PROPHETIC LETTER: TRUMP WILL BE PRESIDENT http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/president-nixon-with-1987-prophetic-letter-trump-will-be-president/

    5. SHOULD PENTECOSTALS PRAY FOR DONALD TRUMP’S PRESIDENCY? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/should-pentecostals-pray-for-donald-trumps-presidency-many-were-shocked/

    Finaly, DONALD TRUMP peresonally: ‘NOBODY READS THE BIBLE MORE THAN ME’ http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/donald-trump-nobody-reads-the-bible-more-than-me/ For the whole discussion pls see http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/a-cumulative-pentecostal-involvement-in-donald-trumps-presidency-prophetic-warnings-vs-prophetic-words/ Thanks Michael Postlethwait”

  162. Ricky Grimsley says:

    I agree with the spirit of your post David Lewayne Porter. However, i sincerely doubt that we have ever had a sincere christian president except perhaps george Washington.

  163. David Lewayne Porter says:

    But would we just love to see one truly make a run for it to be like they said about Stephen, “Acts 6:15 And all that sat in the council, looking stedfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the face of an angel”.

  164. David Lewayne Porter says:

    “Jan
    I agree with all you said except for, “”we are electing a President not a pastor””.
    There is the issue.
    We on a Pentecostal Theology page that are supposed to be Christian based has no problem with a double standard. That should bother us.
    The fact that it doesn’t sends up red flags and sets off warning buzzers.
    And we think just anyone doing anything can name the name of Jesus, can be a Christian, and can be ready for Heaven.
    What about this when voting for trump and saying I agree with him (if we vote for him then we are saying we back him),
    Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (So we take pleasure in trump)?
    I think not.”

  165. Carl Murphy says:

    One thing, he would never be elected, this is The United States, a republic, it’s not Egypt where one guy can name a prime minister, it’s not Israel there are no Samuel’s to anoint anyone. As much as I and every other Christian would love to see a Christian step up the fact of the matter is there never has been a Pentecostal president. We had the pious Carter and what did that bring us? We had the born again Bush and what did that bring us? Just because someone is a Christian, even a faithful one it does not endow them with leadership abilities it does not confer wisdom on them. While this country was founded on Christian values, it has always made room for the non believers. Just as I do not appreciate the bullying of the politically correct crowd, I do not believe it to be the governments place to say Christianity or nothing. But then I also believe as Alexander Hamilton believed, that the only daily interaction the general population should have with the federal government is the post office

  166. Jan B Drayer says:

    We are not electing a pastor, we are electing a president. I would enthusiastically endorse a Christian that, in addition to a strong and sincere Christian ethic, also possesses the ability to govern well.

  167. Diane Nott says:

    The Church is the moral compass of society. In the worst of times, the population’s hearts turn to God and reaching to one another. The moral conduct did not depend on who held political office. Yes we need strong leadership to protect and defend our country. But isn’t the moral decay that has changed society standards? Where does our sense of right and wrong originate? If the people of these United States will follow what their hearts and eyes desire, in another words what is right is what they want, then there is no moral compass no matter who is in office. The church and state are separated to keep government out of the church. Has the church allowed the government to decree their moral standards and belief in God’s Word? Shouldn’t the religious leaders be speaking out and strengthening their congregations roots in Christ? Not for this election to be our Savior and Protector but our walk with Christ?

  168. David Lewayne Porter says:

    “Diane Nott
    I believe you danced all around the main issue and point.

    The election and the leader determined by it is not the Saviour and Protector. In that you are correct.
    As far as pastors strengthening their congregations in Christ, that is exactly why I posted the (op – original post): To challenge Christians to actually live it, think about it daily, to actually apply their beliefs on a larger scale.
    I have found in the local church, on posts, and around town that the average (c)hristian is willing to vote contrary to what they actually say they believe Biblical. They say that is fine because this is not a Church or Ministry issue.
    You asked has the Church allowed the government to decree their moral standards and belief in God’s Word, the answer sadly enough for most people in America is yes, yes they have. (Just look around – 1962, no prayer in school), you can be seen with a bible in school without being challenged but they can read anything else during free time, not Christian music during free time but they can listen. To anything else, not religious shirts at school unless you turn them inside out but they can wear any other shirt they want – – oh yes I have personal first hand knowledge with all of this in middle average America.
    They want us in our homes, churches, and closets but then they want to come into those and tell us what we can and can’t do and then how we can do it. We have churches that can’t hold “”worship”” services because nice ordinances that limit you to nothing louder than a microwave oven alarm.

    Why do I say this and how does it apply
    because the legal challenges and law suites are ruled on by elected officials (judges). The laws are put into place by elected officials.

    We elect them. Most of the leaders that are causing the issues started out small locally and no one voted against them to stop them when they could because they did not see the link between person Christianity and their daily lives – which includes how we vote.

    When shouldn’t our personal Christian values lead our choice of vote?

    As far as separation of church and state, you will not find (the absence of religion) in any OFFICIAL National document. You will not the separation of Church and State stated anywhere offically ever.
    Also if you look at each of the original colonies charters and the states charters/constitutions religion and God were included in a major way.

    And if you don’t think public leaders effect moral conduct then examine clinton’s lying on today’s youth thinking lying is acceptable.
    Examine trump and his willingness to pay legal fees for supporters who get physically violent escalating people willing to do so.

    I will stop there.

    Just some points to ponder.
    So voting for some one who makes strip clubs possible and casinos and backs violence is not going to effect the moral or spiritual stance of America?
    Wow
    Isaiah 54:17
    No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.

    Notice (we condemn it)
    We are expected to do something about it besides just praying.

    Better look at what happened to Christians in Rome, and Jews under Germany.
    Society could have made some changes and a difference but didn’t.”

  169. Diane Nott says:

    Unfortunately many “Christians” are not grounded on the Christian beliefs or even know why they believe what they believe. Or what is written and included in all government documents authored by our founding fathers. Harvard University benefactor was a young minister by the name of John Howard. But I bet very few of those most intelligent students know how Harvard University was founded. Even if they do, is it a “truth” they are willing to stand on today? However, we are generations away from those founding principles. How do we get back and revive a government to vote on “truth”. or are we such a quiet majority/minority that those in government are allowed to stay “politically correct”? Shouldn’t the church be teaching what many died for? Beginning with the disciples up to those who fled Europe to set be free to worship Jesus. Just thinking out loud.

  170. David Lewayne Porter says:

    “Now you are getting to my point for the post.
    Exactly.
    But each generation let it “”slip”” just a little farther away from them.
    So do we, or do we start turning the tide back to where it should be?”

  171. Jeffrey Madison says:

    “This is going to make some folks mad, but it’s true.

    Well, we currently have a president that considers himself a Christian who lives by Godly standards. According to most African American Evangelical Pentecostals, Obama is a holy man of God (you have to understand that liberation theology is the primary doctrine behind this presupposition, and rightly so, considering all that they’ve been through). With that stated, a righteous leader can mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people. Frankly, abortion and free trade aren’t the only issue on the table. Honestly, if we (meaning white Evangelical Pentecostals) start to understand the other issues, we (meaning black and white Christians) could elect a “”righteous”” person as president. However, if we continue to turn a blind eye to the suffering of our African American brother, they will keep voting for the other guy. I feel as if the Lord is telling us (meaning white Evangelical Pentecostals) to learn how to bear the burdens of these brothers and sisters, in doing this we will be able to come to a political consensus so that we can elect “”righteous”” leaders. Before you judge me to quickly, know that over 70% of African Americans are Born Again Christians, and 90% of African Americans are Democrats. That just shows how much we have failed at fulfilling our Christ-centered mandate. So, I don’t think we’ll be able to elect a righteous person as president until there is unity in the house of God (however, I do hope I’m wrong).”

  172. Corey Forsyth says:

    Wouldn’t this open that God is in complete control debate? Since there are groups praying for their favorite candidate, no matter who it is, it seems to me that either God already has His candidate picked for victory, He doesn’t really care and leaves it to the people to vote, or it depends on which group prays the best. 😀😈😀
    I look forward to the firestorm that is likely to follow… LOL

  173. Terry Wiles says:

    It’s all about Supreme Court justices. Better to swallow pride and vote
    Republican this year and then pray a prayer of faith for that person whoever it is.

  174. Mark Henderalsky says:

    Not sure but why the event would not open here : Join us live for our third forum on Wednesday, February 24 as we welcome Donald J. Trump, who will share his vision for America during a live interview with Regent founder, chancellor and CEO Dr. M.G. Pat Robertson. David Brody, chief political correspondent for CBN News, will moderate the event and audience Q & A. http://www.regentalumni.org/controls/email_marketing/admin/email_marketing_email_viewer.aspx?sid=832&eiid=2865&seiid=2423&usearchive=1&puid=8097788e-3d59-41ac-bd46-9ac4e1ef44af

  175. David Lewayne Porter says:

    Robert Jamieson
    If you don’t believe in revival, what is your point of being a part of Pentecostal Theology? Notice the historic results and effects of Pentecost. (And I am sincere in looking for your answer).

  176. Jackson Fay says:

    Very peculiar and speculative theory of why the GOP has not stopped Trump. Trump captures the nation’s attention on the campaign trail. The increasing unlikelihood of an “anybody but Trump” bandwagon coalescing fast enough around another candidate is causing a lot of pre-nomination autopsies about what in the world happened. https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/02/23/my-very-peculiar-and-speculative-theory-of-why-the-gop-has-not-stopped-donald-trump/?wpisrc=nl_az_most

  177. Mark Henderalsky says:

    Rubio: Roman Catholic with LDS background
    Bush: Roman Catholic and Fourth Degree Knight of Columbus
    Kasich: Anglican – with Catholic background
    Carson: Seventh Day Adventist – incl. annihilationism (no hell)

    Cruz: Southern Baptist
    Trump: Self Appointed Presbyterian

  178. Mark Henderalsky says:

    This is the religions of the current GOP candidates:

    Rubio: Roman Catholic with LDS background
    Bush: Roman Catholic and Fourth Degree Knight of Columbus
    Kasich: Anglican – with Catholic background
    Carson: Seventh Day Adventist – incl. annihilationism (no hell)

    Cruz: Southern Baptist
    Trump: Presbyterian PLUS Hillary’s a good ole Southern Baptist gal 🙂

  179. Robert Jamieson says:

    Trump is the only realistic candidate, he may be able to overturn some of Obamas policies, everybody else is as much a fairytale as a revival or rapture, and just as devisive. Be realistic.

  180. Robert Jamieson says:

    Troy, hilary clinton is a liar, trump is a liar, cruz is a liar etc etc etc… politicians lie when their lips move. Trump is the best candidate for America, Clinton is going to jail, cruz/carson cant afford to run along trump.

  181. Robert Jamieson says:

    Hmmm, i wonder Dave if you understand what theology is. Being a theologian has nothing to do with revival, nor can it bring revival. Theology is as separate from revival as a fish is from the air. I believe there have been revival, but you would write that i should not be in this group. As to the historical result/effect of pentecost, it was an effect that soon wore of. No one practiced pentecostal theology, most joined Roman Catholic theology. So agai