DO PEOPLE IN THE OLD TESTAMENT BELIEVE IN THE “TRINITY”?
Please give me a clear answer
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yes you can – very 1st chapter of Genesis.
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Genesis 18:1-15
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Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image……….Gen 11:7.Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another’s speech, (thats all i can find atm)
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The sure did Gen 1#
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Yes, hear O Israel the Lord our God is one Lord. The Hebrew word “one” refers to unity, such as one bunch of grapes.
In Genesis in the beginning God created….
Hebrew for God is ELOHIM, meaning plurality . Again he said let (US) make man in (OUR) IMAGE…… -
Psalm 110:1 KJV
The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.The scribes say one, Jesus speaking of David speaking by the Holy Ghost.
Mark 12:32,35-37 KJV
And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:[35] And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the Son of David? [36] For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool. [37] David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly.
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People in the “Old Testament” are no longer walking on earth, so I’m pretty sure they believe the trinity
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No they dont. They are all oneness. Thats why when Jesus was introduced as God they were confused. They believe there is only which is the Father.
I think they are afraid to be subjected as Idolaters. -
Yes: They wrote let Us… not let me… And Genesis also mentions Our Almighty God and the Holy Spirit right from from the beginning.
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No but they did have binitarian beliefs. Research the Two Powers in heaven. The blending of YHWH with the Angel of the Lord.
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We should go back to talking about the Godhead. people get confused when we speak of three person’s because they use a different definition of what a person is than we do when it comes to the nature of God in the Holy Spirit, the Father, and Jesus Christ. it might be better spoken speaking of the Godhead and explaining the nature of His omnipresence and His Choice to manifest Himself in Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, and the father. When we use the trinity, we are stuck with this argument of three gods when there is one God and the issue really lies to our difference in understanding what a person actually is, and trusting in counsel of men to determine doctrine of Christianity. God says Godhead and explain the nature of it, so we have an appropriate escape from the “not in the Bible” arguments.
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Matt 28:19…baptizing tHem in the name of the Father and of The Son and of the Holy Spirit…
Thays the clear and direct quotation from the bible about Trinity -
Genesis 18:1-3,9-10,13-14,16-17,20-21
[1]And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
[2]And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
[3]And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
[9]And they said unto him, Where is Sarah thy wife? And he said, Behold, in the tent.
[10]And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard it in the tent door, which was behind him.
[13]And the LORD said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?
[14]Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.
[16]And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way.
[17]And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;
[20]And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
[21]I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. -
And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Genesis 1:26 -
There is no trinity
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It’s hard to understand the Trinity when Jesus had not come yet
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Probably the plurality in the word Elohim is the best clue.
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The people who believe the Tanakh, renamed Old Testament by the Christians, still don’t believe in Trinity.
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Yes….Two of those words, which are sometimes translated “one” are also “man” and “woman” and are never applied to God. Since God is not a man or woman, this is what we would expect to find. The same applies to the word “soul” which is translated “one” on occasion but is never used to speak of the oneness of God.
The question I ask myself if Unitarians wrote the Bible, which of these 9 words would they use to apply to God? Out of the 9 Hebrew words, there is only one word that would indicate that God is one solitary person. If this word were applied to God in the Bible, it would be very damaging to the Trinitarian position. This word is יָחִיד (yä·khēd’) and means a solitary oneness. This is the general meaning of this word throughout Scripture.
Unitarians would expect to find yä·khēd’ applied to God in the Bible; Trinitarians would not.
What do we find when we open the Bible? The authors of Scripture never apply yä·khēd’ to God. They never describe God as a solitary person. This alone is extremely damaging to the Unitarian position.
In the list of Hebrew word that speak of oneness, the word אֶחָד (ekh·äd’) refers to a compound oneness in which a number of things together are described as “one.” So which position would use the word ekh·äd’ the Unitarian or Trinitarian position? A Unitarian would never apply ekh·äd’ to God because it means a compound oneness. If the authors of the Scriptures believed that God was multi-personal, then we would expect to find that they would apply ekh·äd’ to God because this would mean that God is “one” in a composite or compound sense. In fact, ekh·äd’ is the only Hebrew word available that can be used to express this.
When we open the Bible, we find ekh·äd’ applied to God. This is so central to the Old Testament concept of God that it is found in Israel’s Great Confession:
שְׁמַע, יִשְׂרָאֵל: יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ, יְהוָה אֶחָד.
“Hear, O Israel, [Yahweh] our God, Yahweh is one!” Deuteronomy 6:4.
The use of ekh·äd’ in Deut. 6:4 is exactly what Trinitarians expect to find in the Bible because it is the only way in the Hebrew language to indicate to the reader that God is a composite unity of several persons and not just a solitary person.
The next logical question that follows is, how can this be the true understanding of ekh·äd’ when the Jews today reject the doctrine of the Trinity? For this, I’ll turn to the Hebrew scholar David Cooper.
“Prior to the days of Moses Maimonides, the unity of God was expressed by ekh·äd’ which as has been proved beyond a doubt, has as its primary meaning that of a compound unity. Maimonides, who drafted the thirteen articles of faith, in the second one, sets forth the unity of God, using the word yä·khēd’ which in the Tenach is never used to express God’s unity. From these facts, it is evident that a new idea was injected into this confession by substituting yä·khēd’ which in every passage carries the primary idea of oneness in the absolute sense for ekh·äd’ which primarily means a compound unity. Hence from the days of Maimonides on, an interpretation different from the ancient one was placed upon this most important passage” David L. Cooper, The Eternal God Revealing Himself(Harrisburg: Evangelical press, 1928), pp 59-60.
Good YouTube on this OT lessons
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No way was God ever considered in the old testament as a Trinity.
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They looked forward to the coming mesaigh, we look back
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Of course, they’re worshiping before the triune God right now.
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People in the old testament are in different time periods. The revelation was progressive. The final and complete revelation came through the Lord Jesus Christ. The old testament is shadow and cannot and will not give complete or clear knowledge. It the the thing which produces the shadow which needs to be seen for complete knowledge and that is the Lord Jesus Christ.
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They are all dead so no. Is the idea of the Trinity in the OT – yes.
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Who is us
“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”
Genesis 1:26 KJV https://www.bible.com/bible/1/gen.1.26.kjv -
The Trinity Doctrine did not come into the church until around the 3rd Century it was brought in by a Catholic.
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Yes
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Only Jahwe. The mono (one) god.
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Yes. Moises Believe in ELOHIM
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Catholic wasn’t existing by then so no trinity.
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no no no – there is no trinity in the bible- never was-
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Nobody believed in the trinity until about 400 years after the death of Christ. It was much more common in the early days of the Christian church to believe that the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost were three separate, distinct beings, but one God.
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It was less clear in the OT but yes it’s in there modern so-called “Jews” reject it because they don’t believe Moses as Jesus said in John 5:46:
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The trinity existed in the OT but God did not manifest himself as God, the Father God the Son and God the Holy spirit until the NT for the church of Christ.
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Yes they believed cos the OT teaches TRINITY. The only thing is that it was not taught in a doctrine like what we do in the NT.
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do you know anyone in the O T alive today to ask that question? if not then why ask it?
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I thought this is supposed to be like real Christian deep in the bible apologetics,
but instead seems it new believers asking the simplest questions, an you can tell by there comment the problem is they just dont read the bible. -
You must mean the Godhead !
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The word trinity came from tortullian in the catholic church who attempted to describe the nature of Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, and the Father as all being God both in unison, and in distinctively. The problem is, God already tell us His nature as all three being God distinctivity and as one God. It is called the Godhead. Christian’s replace the word Godhead with the trinity and claim it is ok because it means the same thing. I disagree but I don’t think it determines our salvation if we speak of the trinity, but we do receive backlash in the community for it in claims that we worship three gods which is not true. We worship one God, who is the father God, Son God, and Holy Spirit God. Another problem is the definition of person. One person may think the word person means a human being, or a business, while another person may thing it means some kind of distinct personality kind of thing. In the end we need to agree with God’s Word instead of tradition.
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I’m honestly not sure and that is MY honest answer. I think they MIGHT, but not sure. I think this is a great question, following.
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Is it even possible that someone who believes that Jesus is God wrote this:
But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.
1 Corinthians 11:3
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Ur staf and ur rod they confort me
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It was already introduced the TRINITY by there Torah..in the first book of Genesis 1:26 it was being said, “Let US make man in OUR own image…Moses presented it to them..
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Look up what a Targum is!
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Jesus Christ is not in the old testament. right ?
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Yes , you see the trinity in Genesis when the spirit of God hovered over the wates,, When the Son of God Breathed the breath of life into Adam as God the Father sat on the Throne.
You see the trinity in the tabernacle.The outer court,the inner court and the Holy of Holies. The mercy seat is made of pure gold 2 angels beside it , just like the tomb when christ resurrected. In the ark of the covenant there are 3 items , the rod the staff and the law.. Trinity is all over the scriptures just look at it as hidden treaures, i found a whole lot more and still searching -
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