Can someone explain Calvinism to me in simple terms.
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Read T.U.L.I.P. it’s available on several sites for download.
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Calvinism is know by its acronym TULIP that basically teaches the sovereignty of God over man’s salvation. Also represented by the 5 solas which states that justification is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, for the glory of God alone, as revealed in scripture alone.
The TULIP and the 5 Solas are known to be the hallmarks of Calvinism, yet that’s only the case because it’s what’s always being debated. In truth, it’s only a portion of reformed theology – which is a framework of a systematic interpretation of scripture.
There really isn’t a “simple term” to explain Calvinism because its very complex – I think simplifying it is why it’s often misunderstood.
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God chose you, you can’t chose Him. Therefore salvation isn’t a choice it’s an act of grace. However the opposite is true of damnation. He didn’t chose you so you can’t chose him so God created you literally to suffer in order to show those He chose His mercy.
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In simple terms. God created everyone, past present future. He died only for those he would save. He chose certain people before time began and the others he damns to hell. You cannot believe in Christ by yourself, you can’t follow any steps or prayers to do so, God has to give you his Holy Spirit and save you then you will profess faith in Jesus because as sinful as you are you can’t, will not, and won’t ever choose Christ before being saved.
Now, let’s actually look at scripture. Does Gods word support this. No. I’m a young Christian and about a year ago I had trouble with this problem and I asked God to reveal this to me and he showed me throughout the Bible both Old and New Testament that God woos every single human being. In Deut. 30:19 says that God placed a choice before us and he pleads us to choose life. We as humans, being created in the image of God with a real human free will, it is on us to choose or reject Christ. He will NEVER force himself on anyone. In Matthew the parable of the wedding banquet best explains how Jesus invites us into his family. He invites everyone but the requirement is to come dressed in wedding clothes. For us we need to possess the Holy Spirit to get into heaven and yes God is the only one who gives himself but you have to remember it’s an invitation. Invitation can be accepted or rejected same as gifts. Now when you accept it there is no going back. Calvinism is an extreme measure of explaining how God operates with salvation yet mankind puts the full responsibility on him and if you think about it, if we are not chosen, or one of the elect, we can claim that this is Gods fault and he can’t punish us for creating us this way. See the disconnect. God did not create us with sin, we chose sin, did God force Adam and Eve to eat the fruit in the garden, no, he did ask them to not eat it though. He wants a willful obedience from us. He shows himself as pleasing and we see that and we either come to him or we don’t. Calvinism states that Jesus comes to us in that situation. When Jesus said let the little children come to me did he force the them to come or did they want to because he was kind. Those children saw who he was and wanted him because what was the trees name in the garden. The KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL. We understand what is good and if we know what is good we can make a decision for Christ before the Holy Spirit enters. Romans 10:9 says profess, believe and be saved. Calvinism preaches the other way around. John 3:16 for God so loved the WORLD that he gave his one and only son that WHOEVER believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. Anyone can come to know Jesus. He is waiting for all of us, even those who will ultimately not choose him in the end. He loves everyone and he will never settle for a few people. He will try his damn hardest to try and get everyone. Hopefully that answers your question
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God has favoritism
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In short:
1) God created humans
2) God created hell
3) Humans are the bees knees, but God only likes a few of them.
4) God sends the vast majority of all humans to hell to suffer forever and there’s nothing they can do about it (ya know, because reasons)
5) the endKeep your fingers crossed that you’re one of the lucky ones.
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John Calvin came up with the THEORY (and concept) – based on a few passages in Scripture he misinterpreted – that God “predestined” and “predetermined” some folks to be saved and other poor souls to eternal damnation. But the REAL truth is that God’s Grace is freely offered to ALL people (“For God So Loved The WORLD …”) through their acceptance of that gift and Faith in Jesus Christ, who died for ALL those in the world who would BELIEVE in Him. The TRUTH is that God Predetermined the PLAN of His Grace and The CROSS for ALL people – He DID NOT make the decision of WHO would accept the Gift of Grace. And God had the FOREKNOWLEDGE of who would accept that Gift from the beginning of time.
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CALVANISM IS NOT THE GOSPEL…
TULIP IS NOT THE GOSPEL….
If You are truly a Calvinist, you can never look deep into your daughter’s or sons eyes and say, “God loves you”…Its impossible because you had been looking for a Sign to know if they are the Elect which is not your business…
Calvinism restrict Christ Saving Grace by making it limited, I wonder when God ever limited this Great Salvation to some few select…
Calvanism denies mans free will in a bid to affirm Gods Sovereignty…
Core Calvinism Believes Some are predestined to hell before being born because they can never make a Choice, but we believe from Scriptures Man has the responsibility to make a free moral choice without God controlling it
Calvinism denies mans responsibility to freely act by making God determining both good and evil choices man…
And many more which we can’t fully discuss here…I believe in Predestination, Election and Foreknowledge, but not according to Calvin’s interpretation which totally misunderstands everything in a bid to support Sovereignty…
I BELIEVE CHRIST DIED FOR ALL BUT ITS ONLY BECOMES SUFFICIENT TO THE ELECT As they receive it by Faith….
Anybody can be Elect if they believe.
And if they decide not to believe, its isn’t because God never wanted them to do so or never gave them the opportunity always but because they rejected this offer, even God will not destroy mans free will to Opt in or opt out as many of my Calvinist friends denies…
Lastly, Writing against Calvinism hyper error doesn’t make me an Armenian or traditionalist, I am just The Bible…
Again, I believe Calvinist,Armenian’s are saved people, just as I am big Admirer of Charles Spurgeon and host of Calvinist Puritans even tho I believe they are scripturally wrong when it comes to Soteriology…
I love Wesley just as I love Spurgeon, I love Tozer just as I love Martin illoyd Jones…
“1 Tim. 4:10 – God is the Savior of all men, especially of believers. So, there is a sense in which Christ is savior of unbelievers (i.e., he died for their sin, though they reject His payment on their behalf), yet a special sense in which he is savior of believers (by faith, they receive Christ’s payment for their own sin).
2 Peter 2:1 – refers clearly to unregenerate people as “denying the Master who bought (aor. act. prtc. of agoradzo, “to redeem”) them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.”
1 John 2:2; 4:14 – Christ is the propitiation for our sins, and not ours only, but also for the “whole world;” and he is “savior of the world.” Notice that “world” occurs 28 times in 1 John, 26 of which are used either in a comprehensive sense (e.g., 2:17; 3:17; 4:1, 9) or more narrowly as the world of the unsaved (e.g., 2:15-16; 3:1, 13; 5:19). This makes doubtful that 2:2 and 4:14 refer to a world of the elect.
1 Tim. 2:6 – Christ gave himself a ransom (antilutron, “a payment” or “ransom”) for all.
2 Cor. 5:14-15, 19 – One died for all. He died for all that they who live . . . . This indicates that while Christ died for all, only some will live through him. In some sense, the whole world is reconciled through Christ.
John 3:16; Romans 5:6-8 indicate God’s love for the entire world and that Christ came to save sinners generally.
1 Tim 2:4, 2 Pet 3:9 and Ezk. 18:30-31 show that God wants all to be saved.
Matt. 28:18-20; Luke 24:46-47; John 6:35, 40; Rom. 10:13 – texts which stress the necessity of the proclamation of the gospel of Christ’s death and resurrection on behalf of the world.
John 3:18; 12:48 – texts which indicate that rejecting Christ is a further basis for judgment. They can only rightly be held accountable for rejecting what was offered them if a real offer had been made to them.
Romans 8:20-23; 1 Cor. 15:24-28; Eph. 1:9-10; Phil. 3:21; Col. 1:19-20 – texts which indicate a far broader cosmic extent of the atoning work of Christ”
God sovereignly decreed not which choice man would make, but that he would be free to make it. A God less than sovereign would be afraid to bestow genuine freedom to His creatures (see AW Tozer*).
AW Tozer, “God sovereignly decreed that man should be free to exercise moral choice, and man from the beginning has fulfilled that decree by making his choice between good and evil. When he chooses to do evil, he does not thereby countervail the sovereign will of God but fulfills it, inasmuch as the eternal decree decided not which choice the man should make but that he should be free to make it. If in His absolute freedom God has willed to give man limited freedom, who is there to stay His hand or say, ‘What doest thou?’ Man’s will is free because God is sovereign. A God less than sovereign could not bestow moral freedom upon His creatures. He would be afraid to do so.” A.W. Tozer, The Knowledge of the Holy: The Attributes of God
SALVATION IS OPENED TO ALL…
ITS LEVELED AT THE CROSS… -
Calvinism = religion
Christianity = relationship
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I would definitely research outside of this group. The majority answering don’t know what Calvinism is. Check out RC Sproul and Ligonier Ministries.
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I’m more confused than ever! If we are already predestined, why bother going to church etc. ? I’m new to all this.
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These comments are mostly disappointing. It’s easy to offer the least charitable explanation of a view we disagree with. Wicked people do it all the time. It takes maturity and character (and graceful humility) to offer a description that best reflects the view. A good test to determine if your description is charitable or not is to simply ask if a learned and well studied Calvinist (in this case) would agree with your description. Are you describing it the same way they would? It’s not hard to paint a caricature or build a straw man. But what good does that do?
If someone were to ask about Arminian theology (5 points of the Remonstrants) and we responded with a critique of Pelagianism or libertarian free will or works based salvation etc we would not be doing a genuine seeker or an honest questioner any favors. We would actually be hindering their quest for knowledge and understanding. That’s not just unloving it’s very dishonest too.
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God saves sinners. It is that simple.
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John, if you gain anything regarding your question from this thread, I will be shocked. Please reach out to me and I will be more than happy to explain the Calvinist position from the Scripture in a cordial and thorough way. And whether you agree, disagree, or form no opinion at all, we can have a civilized conversation without the needless banter and pettiness that follows discussions on what should not be such a divisive topic.
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Revelation 13:8; 17:8; 20:12-15. There is a book of life. It was written in eternity past (lit. “Forever written”) if your name is not in it, you’re thrown in the lake of fire. John 3:3 you must be born again (Greek anothen “from above”). Titus 3 “by the washing of regeneration” verb connotes washing is done from outside force (God). Ephesians 2:8-9 “that not of yourselves” in the neuter connotes the phrase “grace through faith” is a gift from God. Faith is given to us. Ezekiel 36:25-27 (note the “i will’s” all from God.) God regenerates you so that you can believe. Romans 3 “there is none who seek God , no not one” God must affect salvation because our sin nature makes us incapable. Nevertheless, “faith comes by hearing and hearing of the word of Christ” ( the gospel). Matthew 28:18-20 commands us to evangelize the lost. The parable of the sower explains that the seed we scatter will fall indiscriminately on the path, in the rocks, in the weeds and on fertile soil. Only the fertile soil (the elect) will bear fruit) but it’s my job to sow seed everywhere.
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That makes God a sadist and i want no part of your Calvinist God!
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My favorite Calvinism…
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The Sovereignty of God
No doctrine is more despised by the natural mind than the truth that God is absolutely sovereign. Human pride loathes the suggestion that God orders everything, controls everything, and rules over everything. The carnal mind, burning with enmity against God, abhors the biblical teaching that nothing comes to pass except according to His eternal decrees. Most of all, flesh hates the notion that salvation is entirely God’s work. If God chose who would be saved, and if His choice was settled before the foundation of the world, then believers deserve no credit for any aspect of their salvation.But that is, after all, precisely what Scripture teaches. Even faith is God’s gracious gift to His elect. Jesus said, “No one can come to Me, unless it has been granted him from the Father” (John 6:65). “Nor does anyone know the Father, except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him” (Matt. 11:27). Therefore no one who is saved has anything to boast about (Eph. 2:8-9). “Salvation is from the Lord” (Jonah 2:9).
The doctrine of divine election is explicitly taught throughout Scripture. For example, in the New Testament epistles alone, we learn that all believers are “chosen of God” (Titus 1:1). We were “predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will” (Eph. 1:11, emphasis added). “He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world. …He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will” (Eph. 1:4-5). We “are called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son …and whom He predestined, these He also called; and whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified” (Rom. 8:28-30).
When Peter wrote that we are “chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father” (1 Peter 1:1-2), he was not using the word “foreknowledge” to mean that God was aware beforehand who would believe and therefore chose them because of their foreseen faith. Rather, Peter meant that God determined before time to know and love and save them; and He chose them without regard to anything good or bad they might do. Scripture teaches that God’s sovereign choice is made “according to the kind intention of His will” and “according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will”—that is, not for any reason external to Himself. Certainly He did not choose certain sinners to be saved because of something praiseworthy in them, or because He foresaw that they would choose Him. He chose them solely because it pleased Him to do so. God declares “the end from the beginning …saying, ‘My purpose will be established, and I will accomplish all My good pleasure’” (Isa. 46:10). He is not subject to others’ decisions. His purposes for choosing some and rejecting others are hidden in the secret counsels of His own will.
Moreover, everything that exists in the universe exists because God allowed it, decreed it, and called it into existence. “Our God is in the heavens; He does whatever He pleases” (Ps. 115:3). “Whatever the Lord pleases, He does, in heaven and in earth, in the seas and in all deeps” (Ps. 135:6). He “works all things after the counsel of His will” (Eph. 1:11). “From Him and through Him and to Him are all things” (Rom. 11:36). “For us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him” (1 Cor. 8:6).
What about sin? God is not the author of sin, but He certainly allowed it; it is integral to His eternal decree. God has a purpose for allowing it. He cannot be blamed for evil or tainted by its existence (1 Sam. 2:2: “There is no one holy like the Lord.”). But He certainly wasn’t caught off-guard or standing helpless to stop it when sin entered the universe. We do not know His purpose for allowing sin. Clearly, in the general sense, He allowed sin in order to display His glory—attributes that would not be revealed apart from evil—mercy, grace, compassion, forgiveness, and salvation. And God sometimes uses evil to accomplish good (Gen. 45:7–8; 50:20; Rom. 8:28). How can these things be? Scripture does not answer all the questions, but it does teach that God is utterly sovereign, perfectly holy, and absolutely just.
Admittedly, these truths are hard for the human mind to embrace, but Scripture is unequivocal. God controls all things, right down to choosing who will be saved. Paul states the doctrine in inescapable terms in the ninth chapter of Romans, by showing that God chose Jacob and rejected his twin brother Esau “though the twins were not yet born, and had not done anything good or bad, in order that God’s purpose according to His choice might stand, not because of works, but because of Him who calls” (v. 11). A few verses later, Paul adds this: “He says to Moses, ‘I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.’ So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy” (vv. 15-16).
Paul anticipated the argument against divine sovereignty: “You will say to me then, ‘Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?’” (v. 19). In other words, doesn’t God’s sovereignty cancel out human responsibility? But rather than offering a philosophical answer or a deep metaphysical argument, Paul simply reprimanded the skeptic: “On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, ‘Why did you make me like this,’ will it? Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use, and another for common use?” (vv. 20-21).
Scripture affirms both divine sovereignty and human responsibility. We must accept both sides of the truth, though we may not understand how they correspond to one another. People are responsible for what they do with the gospel—or with whatever light they have (Rom. 2:19-20), so that punishment is just if they reject the light. And those who reject do so voluntarily. Jesus lamented, “You are unwilling to come to Me, that you may have life” (John 5:40). He told unbelievers, “Unless you believe that I am [God], you shall die in your sins” (John 8:24). In John 6, our Lord combined both divine sovereignty and human responsibility when He said, “All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out” (v. 37); “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him, may have eternal life” (v. 40); “No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me draws him” (v. 44); “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life” (v. 47); and, “No one can come to Me, unless it has been granted him from the Father” (v. 65). How both of these two realities can be true simultaneously cannot be understood by the human mind—only by God.
Above all, one must not conclude that God is unjust because He chooses to bestow grace on some but not to everyone. God is never to be measured by what seems fair to human judgment. Is man so foolish as to assume that he, a sinful creature, has a higher standard of what is right than an unfallen, infinitely, eternally holy God? What kind of pride is that? In Psalm 50:21 God says, “You thought that I was just like you.” But God is not like man, nor can He be held to human standards. “‘My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways,’ declares the Lord. ‘For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts’” (Isa. 55:8-9).
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Calvin haters need a bible or glasses because they are missing a lot.
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Simple, you were bound to ask that question?
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Sure. We simply acknowledge the Complete Sovereignty of God. God is in control of all things. Nothing is left to chance. Our “free will” as some people call it cannot override what the sovereign God has decreed.
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Salvation is based on the divinity of God and Gods will to bring you to him. Faith in Jesus thru God By the Holy Spirit.
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Even if God is all knowing and all sovereign, we aren’t. How do WE know if we’re one of God’s “chosen ones”? In the craziness of the mix between our free will and God’s sovereignty, we are called to seek out God and we will find him. I’ll never fully understand the doctrines of Calvinism (predestination) or Arminianism (free will). Ill never understand questions like, “if God knew we were destined for hell, why would he create us in the first place? ” I believe he does everything for HIS glory, not ours.
2 Peter 3:9 says “The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.” I know where im going because I’ve repented and put my faith and trust in Christ alone for my salvation. In Hebrews 3:15, it says “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts as Israel did when they rebelled.” Yes I believe God knows where each if us will end up, but that doesn’t mean we don’t have free will either. I heard a pastor explain it like this: if we were to DVR a football game and watch it later, and If we knew who won before watching ithe game, that didn’t change the fact that the players had free will during the time the game was played. God exists outside of our little space, time, matter continuum that HE created. We CAN’T understand his ways. The people who’ve completely hardened their hearts to God, who’ve heard the good news but rejected it, will never come to him no matter what, unless it’s in God’s will. We don’t know not will ever know. As believers, we’re just called to trust him, and live for him in obedience and love. -
As a reformed thinker, coming from ex dispensational camp and Arminian SBC, the elect is actually the ones who have come to faith in Christ. Yes God can Choose who to save he is that Powerful. But in context of scripture as in many places, the sum of it people misunderstand the Elect terminology. When you become are born again and come to faith, you enter into the family of Abraham counted in Christ Jesus for righteousness and forgiven of your sins. Therefore you are the elect meaning chosen of God. It’s simple to understand but so many put too much critical thinking behind it and divide the bros and sisters. I say pride has a lot to do with it. But from someone who has been in multiple denominations and heard both sides, just follow scripture and let God lead us.
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Sometimes, a meme maybe helpful
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God is sovereign, just like the Bible teaches.
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It doesn’t matter what John Calvin taught. Or Armenias. It matters what Paul taught!
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Did John Calvin murder people? Didn’t Arminius say you could lose your salvation, because you are saved by good works? If we’re going to talk about dead theologians, let’s at least talk about what they said and did. But let’s talk about the grace and the certainty of hope we have in Jesus, instead! I don’t care what C.H. Spurgeon said, but what does Paul say about what he was specifically taught by God to tell us about a new priesthood and a different law.
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Calvism is the doctrine of John Calvin. God said let every man be a liar but the Word of God the truth. Calvinism is a belief system in which God causes us to sin because of His soveriegnty and predestination. But this is false. The kind of soveriegnty and oredestination that we have is in such a way that He gives us freewill according to the nature He instills in us. We do have freewill. Calvinism and armenianism is herassies. Tryst in God’s Word, not deviations from His Word. All these doctrines that are not the Bible are words of men and cause seperation in God’s people.
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If youd like to know if you are predestined… choose god… you were predestined.
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Calvinism Briefly Explained
1. Total Depravity:
This is the belief that sin controls every part of man. He is spiritually dead and blind, and unable to obey, believe, or repent. He continually sins, for his nature is completely evil. This is based on verses such as Romans 3:10; Psalm 14:3, and 53:3.2. Unconditional Election: God chose the elect solely based on His free grace, not anything in them. He has a special love for the elect. God left the rest to be damned for their sins.
3. Limited Atonement: Christ died especially for the elect, and paid a definite price for them that guaranteed their salvation.
4. Irresistible Grace: Saving grace is irresistible, for the Holy Spirit is invincible and intervenes in man’s heart. He sovereignly gives the new birth, faith, and repentance to the elect.
5. Perseverance of the Saints: God preserves all the elect in faith to the end. None are finally lost.
To summarize a very basic picture of the Calvinistic viewpoint would go something like this: Man’s heart is depraved. If left to himself, he would only do selfish, sinful things. However, God arbitrarily decided, before time began, which people would be saved and which would be lost. Jesus Christ came to earth and died on the cross for the sins of those God had decided would be saved. The Holy Spirit comes upon a person’s heart in an irresistible way, so the person will choose to be saved. The saved person can never become unsaved, no matter what.
Arminianism Briefly Explained
For each of the Calvinist’s points, the followers of Arminius have a counterpoint.
1. Free Will: Sin does not control man’s will. He is sick and near-sighted, but still able to obey, believe, and repent. He does not continually sin, for his nature is not completely evil.
2. Conditional Election: God chose the elect based on their foreseen faith. He loves all men equally. God passed over no one; He gives everyone an equal chance to be saved.
3. Universal Atonement: Christ died equally for all men, and paid a provisional price that made salvation possible for all, but guaranteed it for none.
4. Resistible Grace: Saving grace is resistible, for God does not overrule man’s free will. Man is born again after he believes, for faith and repentance are not gifts of God.
5. Falling from Grace: Believers may turn from grace and lose their salvation
To summarize a very basic picture of the Arminian viewpoint would go something like this: Man’s spirit is damaged, but still somewhat good. God, able to see all things past and future, knowing who would say ‘yes’ to the Gospel, elected those people to salvation. Jesus died on the cross giving everyone the opportunity to repent and turn to Him, excluding no one from the possibility of salvation. The call of God can be resisted and, ultimately, rejected. A Christian can turn from God and no longer be saved.
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Anybody who knows about Calvinism but isn’t a Calvinist, doesn’t know about Calvinism. The answer is as simple as reading the bible.
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Reformed Theology is just another name for biblical Christianity.
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Isaiah 55:8
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Proverbs 19:20-20 Hear counsel, and receive instruction, that thou mayest be wise in thy latter end. There are many devices in a man’s heart; nevertheless the counsel of the LORD, that shall stand.
Job 42:2-2 I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee. I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee. -
You are saved by grace alone in Christ alone through faith alone to the glory of God alone.
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God gave every person FREE WILL! Any one can believe the Gospel. Calvin was wrong.
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You have no free will, although it seems like you do.
If you’re gay, God made you gay and will punish you for it.
If you’re a pedophile, God made you a pedophile and will punish you for it.
You have no say in your life. Everything was predetermined and you will be punished for eternity for the choices God chose for you.
Calvinism isn’t Biblical but it’s an accurate depiction of Calvinism.
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The author of the salvation is God only, not God plus the cooperation of the man.
Monergism, and not synergism.
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Calvinism or simply known as what is written in the bible.
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At 959 comments, this thread has become unreadable.
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I will let Christ explain ..
John 6: 43 Jesus therefore answered and said to them, [h]“Do not murmur among yourselves. 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who [i]has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me. -
Sinners are spiritually dead and CANNOT come to God- John 6:44 . The main reason is they don’t want to! They do not want to come to the GOD OF THE BIBLE! 2. So how does anyone come to God? Before the foundation of the world God chose a people, not because they did any good or bad but out of his Mercy and Grace. 3. Jesus Christ came and died for those whom the Father chose before the foundation of the world. 4. The Spirit of God convicts, draws and regenerates those whom Christ died for! 5.These will endure until death, which does not mean they may not fall but they will repent and endure and press on for the glory of God!
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I can describe it with one word: lies
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IF Calvinism was true, then scripture never, ever needed to exist, as it does nothing. All ordained things would have occurred exactly the same, with or without scripture. People would believe as ordained, just as they do with scripture.
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