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Hitler decreed the Holocaust. Others carried out the decree. He’s not responsible.

Using that analogy is it also fair to say, as is claimed by some, that God decreed evil and sin, but is not responsible?

Compare the two scenarios and tell me where it makes sense that God can decree evil and sin and not be responsible. If He’s not responsible, then neither is Hitler.

The Westminster Confessional

Chapter III

Of God’s Eternal Decree

I. God from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass; yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin, nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures; nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established.

II. Although God knows whatsoever may or can come to pass upon all supposed conditions; yet has he not decreed anything because he foresaw it as future, or as that which would come to pass upon such conditions.

III. By the decree of God, for the manifestation of his glory, some men and angels are predestinated unto everlasting life; and others foreordained to everlasting death.

IV. These angels and men, thus predestinated, and foreordained, are particularly and unchangeably designed, and their number so certain and definite, that it cannot be either increased or diminished.

V. Those of mankind that are predestinated unto life, God, before the foundation of the world was laid, according to his eternal and immutable purpose, and the secret counsel and good pleasure of his will, has chosen, in Christ, unto everlasting glory, out of his mere free grace and love, without any foresight of faith, or good works, or perseverance in either of them, or any other thing in the creature, as conditions, or causes moving Him thereunto; and all to the praise of his glorious grace.

VI. As God has appointed the elect unto glory, so has He, by the eternal and most free purpose of his will, foreordained all the means thereunto. Wherefore, they who are elected, being fallen in Adam, are redeemed by Christ, are effectually called unto faith in Christ by his Spirit working in due season, are justified, adopted, sanctified, and kept by his power, through faith, unto salvation. Neither are any other redeemed by Christ, effectually called, justified, adopted, sanctified, and saved, but the elect only.

VII. The rest of mankind God was pleased, according to the unsearchable counsel of his own will, whereby he extends or withholds mercy, as he pleases, for the glory of his sovereign power over his creatures, to pass by; and to ordain them to dishonor and wrath for their sin, to the praise of his glorious justice.

VIII. The doctrine of this high mystery of predestination is to be handled with special prudence and care, that men, attending the will of God revealed in his Word, and yielding obedience thereunto, may, from the certainty of their effectual vocation, be assured of their eternal election. So shall this doctrine afford matter of praise, reverence, and admiration of God; and of humility, diligence, and abundant consolation to all that sincerely obey the Gospel.

Discussion

31 comments

  1. Sophie-Theres Töpfer says:

    It’s a shame

  2. Mandee Brady says:

    There’s certainly a difference in that Hitler encouraged and conspired in the evils, and God only allowed them as a commitment to our free will.

  3. Stan Wosnicki says:

    False premises always yield false conclusions.

  4. Rafael Macapagal says:

    False equivocation/Comparison:
    Simply allowing and permitting man to commit iniquity and evil (to allow for free will and choice) is different from advocating the degredation, dehumanization and eventual slaughter of select ethnic groups.
    God provides mankind a way out of a lifestyle of sin and a lifestyle that is more befitting of one created in his image. Via Jesus, who died on the cross for our sins to forgive us for so long as we believe, repent and is transformed by him and the Holy Spirit. Hitler did not offer his followers a way out of slaughtering Jews did he?
    Nice mental gymnastics though!

  5. Trey Rodriguez says:

    To decree something and to order it to be so are two different things.

  6. Eric Javier Saenz says:

    Ridiculous..evil is evil..period.

  7. Gustavo Henrique Ribeiro says:

    God has the right to do that because he is God, Hitler is just a mere human being and didn’t have this same right, simple like this.

  8. Jesus Balmaceda says:

    Have you ever had the correct answer for some moronic analogy but the analogy is so bad and the person saying it thinks he’s so much smarter than everyone else that you’re just not going to dignify it? You’d rather let them wallow in their idiocy, this is not an insult I’m just saying the truth and this is exactly what’s going on right now, because I can elaborate on this subject but the way he comes about it, I’d rather let him wonder about it

  9. Jeremy Smith says:

    What’s the alternative to a sovereign decree? Is there really a difference between “ordaining” something and “allowing” something when you’re omniscient?

  10. Jojo Olmstead says:

    God is Sovereign and Just of his ways and how he uses his people , just like judas , he was a tool for his purpose to fulfill the scriptures and are you saying God is unjust for it ? lol ?

  11. Hermann Axel Schatte says:

    God is the only one out there. He is the absolute and he alone set the standard. He establishes limitations and principles for life to flourish. God does not answer to anyone and his attributes are perfect.
    He is the creator, the beginning and the end, he is being eternal. We can not fit him in a box. We, humans are created to his image, by so we had a moral compass that ultimately point to his moral code establishing what is right from wrong according to his word. But sin and evil has distorted that and we want to become creator … be our own gods of our reality. And that where humanity desperately want to challenge the one true living God.

  12. King Yotham says:

    Election misplaced again.
    God is immutable. God is infallible. Human intellect must be used only within, not crossing it outside your boundaries , its like you are trying to build the tower of Babel. Heresy wants to make God human n hold him accountable.
    You have missed it young man. Lol

  13. Ngazipme Shirak says:

    categorical error.

  14. Jacob U. Hernandez Quintana says:
  15. Patrick Yisrael says:

    Hitler is directly responsible.

  16. Gaberielle Lupe Kama says:

    BLASPHEME

  17. MLu Undette says:

    Blasphemy

  18. Steve Davies says:

    This is so easy to answer. God did not decree evil and sin. He commanded man to be good. Man said no and committed sin and continues to do so every day. Mankind is responsible for all their own sin. The end

  19. Mong Santiago says:

    Who says Hitler is not responsible for the Holocaust? Did Calvinism just absolved Hitler?

  20. Walt Jensen says:

    This premise and logic is quite weak. God creates man and out of love for man gives him free will. Man has the power to use that free will to make choices. God instructs man and puts a law on his heart to encourage choices for/towards God; but man ultimately has free will to choose. One of those men, let’s call him “Hitler”, makes choices counter to God’s law and actively pursues and promotes evil which includes the initiation of a war to subjugate Europe and eradicate an entire group of people. There is no parallel.

  21. Norbert Bader says:

    God created everything, evil is a thing, therefore, God created evil. Right? Not really. Evil is not a thing. It’s the absence of good.

  22. Hayden Ariaz says:

    Worst of all a decree of evil takes away the justification for punishment of that evil. I’m on the side of God not being the author of evil. An All Mighty, completely Holy , and Sovereign God allowed man to either freely come to Him, or to follow their own sinful desires. It is riddled throughout scripture. I far more lean toward a libertarian free will of man that would completely make sense of horrendous evils like the holocaust.

  23. Francis Jesulobatemi says:

    the analogy you are using is misleading (not right) and you built whole post on it. Imagine!

  24. Mark Walker says:

    The premise of your question is wrong. You say God declared it. You must first define what you mean by declared. Did he say there is good and bad, choose Good. I would say yes he did. That is called giving man kind free will to choose. Did he make people do evil or command them to? No. Just because I allow my children freedom to choose does mean I am responsible for their choices especially if I have warned them what to do and not to do.

  25. Hans Neufeld says:

    yes yes yes – mr. hitler is responsable – he and all his helpers – millions of germans and others – so jesus will come and charge them all – no chance to escape-

  26. Joseph Dunbar says:

    Genesis 50:20 “Man meant it for evil but God meant it for good”
    Isaiah 45:7 “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”

  27. Biru Rai says:

    This man said he is “redeemed” – I wonder what that mean to him?

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  30. Zach Payne says:

    Never take anything outside the bible as speaking for all Christians. I do not believe in predestination. As for your first analogy you’re wrong. God did not CREATE EVIL. He created us with free will. With free will we have the ability to do great, amazing and wonderful things. We also however, have the potential for evil, heinous and horrific actions as well. It was the same with the angels before the fall. God could have made us all robots but that wouldn’t make him a very good God because he would be denying us free will

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