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We have a will, and we make choices and decisions, BUT our will is not “free”.

Compare it to a web search engine. It can choose what search results to output, but it is not free to choose those results because it must choose based on the inputted search term and the data available. It is held within certain perimeters.

Choice and “free” will are not the same thing. We can indeed choose. But our will is not “free” to choose. There are internal and external factors that impact and influence our will and determine our choices.

“27 In fact, this has happened here in this very city! For Herod Antipas, Pontius Pilate the governor, the Gentiles, and the people of Israel were all united against Jesus, your holy servant, whom you anointed. 28 But EVERYTHING THEY DID WAS DETERMINED BEFOREHAND ACCORDING TO YOUR WILL.”
– Acts 4:27-28

“For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.”
– Revelation 17:17 King James Version (KJV)

Ultimately God is in full control.

Discussion

13 comments

  1. Mong Santiago says:

    It is possible for God to predetermine how the world history would unfold without causally determining man’s actions as He’s still sovereign over man’s own self determination. Causal determinism is not the only Biblically acceptable position

  2. D.j. Hariford says:

    Free will and freedom from consequences are not the same thing. It is dishonest to attempt to conflate the 2.
    Free will only means you have the ability to choose and decide.

  3. Richard Spence says:

    You can choose to put water in a glass. When the action is done the glass is half done. It is your free will to see the glass half empty or half full. L&P

  4. Alan White says:

    I believe that there times when God makes sure somthing gets done like the sentencing for the crucifixion mentioned before. Or Paul’s damacas road conversion where Paul was kind of arrested by Jesus. But is everthing done by God in the same way. God wanted to bring salvation and he had a predetermined plan from the foundation of the world and he used sinful men to carry that plan out. And Paul was obviously part of the plan to bring salvation us gentiles. But I have a problem with believing that everything that happens was planned and that man had no freewill to chose to believe the good news and be saved. Jesus said repent “metanoia” change your mind and believe the good news. He telling people to change “the minds” this involves an act of our will in the choosing process.

  5. Alan White says:

    And of course the Limited atonement, the L in Tulip is easily proven false by scripture.

  6. Jim Vaughan says:

    God is sovereign period. Part of that is in His all knowing. He sees all of time as a whole because He is outside of it. Through Jesus He stepped out of eternity and entered time in order to redeem. But He exists outside of time. Read Psalm 139, it is God, perfect knowledge of us, His amazing forming of us, His amazing presence with us no matter where we are, and His immeasurable thoughts toward us. When you understand this and apply verses 5-6, Psalm 139:5–6 (NKJV): “You have hedged me behind and before,
    And laid Your hand upon me.
    6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me;
    It is high, I cannot attain it.” God can bring His outcome about regardless. His master plan already factored in our wanderings.

  7. Toby Nobel says:

    God is in full control, no doubt. However I believe we have free will and choice. People who reject God, and will even reject God to the end on their deathbed. Despite any situations in their lives to bring them to the Lord, then they die rejecting him, is that not their free will and choice to do so? When they could have and should have chose God! Kinda like these YouTube atheist activists that say they were “raised religious” then instead of looking for the truth towards God, they chose to find their “truth” elsewhere and are actively fighting against God. Just a thought

  8. Wesley Puckett says:

    Okay practical question… Do you think God was pleased with Hitler’s actions and even further more was influenced by God to do so? By saying God was determining His actions (because there is no free will) that means that God was the one behind mass genocide. Especially to the people that He promised to keep.

  9. Aaron Vgp says:

    Sorry but that’s a bad analogy. A search engine has parameters built into that determines what it will show. We don’t have restrictions on what we can choose. Sure some circumstances might limit some of our choices but there is nothing inside of us to stop or limit what we choose.

  10. David Funk says:

    Its hard to come up with an analogy but I think you did great. I agree 100% with what you’re trying to say regardless if the analogy doesn’t work impeccably to people’s standards.

  11. John Camara says:

    This bears repeating…

    No choice or decision is ever made in a vacuum “free” of all internal and external factors that influence and determine that choice or decision. And sovereign over all those factors is God’s rule. By command or permission every factor is always where, when, and how God wills it to be.

    The true definition of “free” will is that you can make choices and decisions free of any internal and external influencing factors. That is not possible. Only if you existed in a vacuum free from all such factors could you really make a free choice or decision. But if you did exist in such a state you would not exist at all.

  12. David Stacks says:

    Your free to make this assumption?Or determined.

  13. David Holmes says:

    YOOOOOOOO.. i heard it before LOST IT.. thats what iam talking about.. ur soooooo right.. thx u Bro???