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I want to share an interesting yet brief interaction I had with an atheist who came to me at work while on break as I was reading my Bible. They knew I was a Christian because of my shirts that I wear almost daily. read then offer your thoughts on it. I recorded as much as I could right afterwards because I wanted to share it. Straight the point.
He asked “I see that’s a Bible you’re reading right & I keep on seeing your shirts.”

He introduced himself & told me he was an atheist & said “I would like your answers to something I have that has tripped up other Christians”

“Alright”

“We know that the Bible of full of contradictions & errors, especially in the New Testament since the Gospels don’t match & even contradict each other in various places. So what do you say?”
He handed to me a few pieces of paper stapled together with hundreds of supposed errors & contradictions. I almost needed a magnifying glass to read them, the font was that small. I sped red through it & actually many of them I recognized because I studied them already.

I answered “have you studied these yourself?”

“No need to. They speak for themselves, & Anyone in their right mind would agree with me when they read that.”

“I have studied many of these myself already. I don’t see a problem with any of these. How do these ‘contradictions’ & ‘errors’ affect the main Gospel message?”

He was shocked at that “how could you not see a problem there? This is your book so it’s a big deal.”

“First off, It’s not my book & secondly, I won’t make a big deal what you’ll make into a big deal. That won’t happen, besides What were you expecting?”

“You Christians claim that this book is word for word perfect & if there’s a single contradiction or error here, the whole thing falls apart.”

“Actually, that’s not the case”

“How so?” As he leaned forward a little

“In these times, nothing was ever verbatim. It wasn’t the specific words that mattered, it was the heart of the message that mattered. Believing this book to be word for word perfect is mere fantasy. I have learned from J. Warner Wallace with Cold case Christianity & InspiringPhilosophy on YouTube that we ought to expect some kind of “corruption” in the Bible to be realistic, especially when it comes language barriers that have to be worked around. I have a lot of notes on that, that I can share here & now.”

He tried to avoid that “So you can make sense out of these contradictions & errors?”

“Yes. Many of them are called unintended eyewitness support statements. The Bible is full of them. No two witness will ever agree on every detail. In fact, from what I’ve learned from these two sources, if the Gospels were anymore alike than they are now. Then I would be skeptical.”

“So what do you make of the 400,000 or so variants we have found?”

“Not a problem”

I could see he was a little startled “how so?”

“Less than 2% of them actually effect the meaning of the text. Watch the sources I mentioned earlier or their website. I have a lot of notes on this stuff plus their oral traditions. I can share them right here & now.”

He tried to avoid it again “So then you don’t care If you offend anyone with your truth?”

“I wrote down these words from Jordan Peterson so I wouldn’t forget them, ‘if you’re gonna think in a culture that’s doesn’t want you to think, especially contrary to it, then you have to run the risk of being offensive to everyone around & being offended be everyone around you. Just like with you, you’re willing to risk offending me for the sake of what you believe to be true. That’s freedom of speech for you. I also have that right’ So I don’t mind offending you. Would you like to hear my notes or I can send them you to read.”

“No thank you. So, why should you trust in that book since it was written by people & people make mistakes, big ones over two thousand years?” As he pointed to my Bible.

First I thought, did he really just ask that?
Then replied “You know, you just eliminated everything written by people including the books you trust in & any book you would write. Even more, you just eliminated everything you said before this. So why should trust what you say then? I have notes on that too from the sources I mentioned earlier called chain-of-custody. Lastly I remember read this from the book “God’s War on Terror” beware of those who are willing to deny historical facts to have their way.” Then I challenged him, “Try approaching the Bible with the same level of skepticism as you would the Quran or any other religious book, & without a philosophical bias. Nabeel Qureshi & Lee Strobel are good ones to learn from, then meet with me again”

I could tell he had enough & he left. I guess I won’t be meeting up with him again.

Discussion

13 comments

  1. Andres Barden-Zapata says:

    that was an extremely great answer.

  2. Angela Ngwaiso says:

    Lovely.

  3. Jacques Nigrini says:

    In world history, especially since the beginning of the modern period from the16th century, various fields or domains have emerged which covers the experiences of people in terms of faith, belief, trust, religion, religious experience, spirituality and spiritual experience. The phrase “have emerged” entails that three fields or domains are simultaneously discovered and constructed in the context of modern societies and countries within and outside churches, within and outside religious communities and religions, associations of belief and communities of faith. I have to add that the simultaneous discovering and construction processes of these fields or domains take place in terms of the main or determinative God-life-world approach that holds sway in as society, country, church, religion or religious community.

    The term “paradigm” is one of the broad modern concepts 6th at refers to a comprehensive way, framework, system or field of faith (=belief and trust), speaking, feeling, socialising and thinking through which people wittingly or unwittingly experience the sense and/ or non-essential of things and people^s actions. This may be a community of faith, a community of scientists or a group of gangsters. Any paradigm operates with a broad “logic” of paradigms and sub-paradigms, mixing and fusing into experiences into what make sense to people. On the one hand then, a paradigm is a broad way of sense making regarding the ‘what’ of the people’ s experience, and on the

  4. Jacques Nigrini says:

    Continue. …and on the other hand it touches on the sense making ‘how” of these experiences. An avenue that does offer itself regarding the matter at hand is epistemological in character. One has to enter in dialogue. Such endeavour entails processes establishing the different worldviews, what is truth, and asking relevant questions. The vitality and dynamism of all aspects of Christian experience, the context of Christianity estelle many cultural manifestations and lived experiences, the ever-changing expressions of Christianity at both local and world level are to be negotiated. This “sense-making” approach or “sense-making God-life-and worldview” is many times used as an alternative for familiar terms such as “religion” , “religious faith”, “common sense”, “ideology”, “value/belief system” or “worldview”. In this way a sense making approach captures many ideas, pointers and assumptions while portraying the basic pattern and configuration of a person or group of how God, humanity and the physival-organic universes fit together and make sense in all walks of life.

    These general indicators, pointers and factors should be shared and accessed by each science in its own particular and specific way.
    Hence:
    # Not a science of God ( theogy/divinity) but each science should have a share of God
    # Not a science of spirituality, but each science should have a share of spirituality
    # Not a science of ethics, but each science should have its share of ethics
    # Not a science of nature and the physival-organic environment (natural science), but each science should have a share of nature and the physical-organic environment
    # Not a science of the past and future which encapsulates the past and future but each science should have a its share of history and share the future
    # Not a science of truth but each science should share in the truth

    Therefor, I propose if we take the triadic of God-human beings-physical organic universes seriously. Let us ask what is the God- life-worldview (GLW) of ourselves and others when entering in apologetics,

  5. Lisa Lam says:

    The 4 Gospels were written by 4 different authors through the inspiration of God. All four books say the same main facts about Jesus’ life on earth with some slight variations. If these books are exactly the same, they could be copying from each other. But no, there are some variations just like at a court of law where eyewitnesses were called to give an account of what happened. The verdict at the court of law will be based on 2 different standards of proof ie ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ and the balance of probabilities.
    Eg, if 4 people at an accident site were to give an account of what happened at the accident site, their accounts would likely be slightly different as they could only see what happened from their respective positions. One person may see more than the others as his/her view was different depending on where each of them were standing when the accident occurred. But the main points of the accident would be the same if they all told the truth of what actually happened at the accident site. However, there would be slight variations eg one may see something in the car or someone nearby which were all within his view but other eyewitnesses might not see the exact same things because for eg another car blocked his view or for whatever reasons. Other eyewitnesses could also be noticing other things which only they could see. Such slight variations show that the accounts of such eyewitnesses’ accounts of what happened are likely true because if they were exactly the same (their accounts were word for word the same), then they could be copying from one another and were not a real eyewitness at the accident. As long as the main points are the same the court could arrive at what likely happened at the site.
    Fyi some atheist lawyers set out to proof that the gospels were not true but after applying all the tests they knew to check the validity of the gospels, they realised that the gospels state truths about Jesus Christ and these lawyers ended up as believers of Jesus Christ and God!

  6. Glenn Buchanan says:

    I’m very familiar with walid shoebat and lee strobel messages and teachings but didn’t know nabeel or his teachings.. seems to fit the profile like Shoebat’s background.. I also read similar apologetics from author Craig Evans, from Canada Wolfville NS, Acadia Divinity College

  7. Benjamin Strong says:

    I think the idea is to get them thinking ?

    My cousin was a “atheist”
    Being a scientist i find it difficult to believe this
    Now he believes in spiritual growth

    Unfortunately he believes we now were created by aliens ?

    Idk it’s one step at a time I guess,

    But it’s only God who can change, but CS Lewis was an atheist, so was Derrek Prince (great resource, expert in Greek better than most in the world, charismatic leader with the gift of healing, and was into YOGA and explains the dangers of what slowed his connection to god and receiving the gifts)

    In the end
    It’s our choice
    Do we want to be people who are pleased with materialistic life and money and retirement

    Or do we want to connect with the creative energy that formulated the cosmos in a collective effort to overcome and help community and society

    It’s a great debate and most people that go to church only do because they are scared of hell, almost like a check list, bam I went to church I’m good

    But in the end their community still has homelessness and drug addiction.
    We’re called to be the hands and feet.

    In my city we have a festival every summer where they take all the homeless peoples possessions and burn them so that the rich can go play on the river and not be distracted

    I know I know ya all gonna claim communism and say Jesus said there will be always poor

    That’s a cop out
    Not communism when the government doesn’t require it, and it’s done through love of Christ via all the separate churches,

    Facts
    If we don’t help those who need helping they will vote someone who will force you to give your money and neither will the poor be helped or the nation be closer to Christ

    In America over 60% say they go to church and love Jesus
    80% say they believe in a god

    But we still sit back as stricken by people who get welfare or need food stamps

    Tell a girl that abortion is murder and she goes to
    Hell
    But refuse to help her take care of the kid? Confused messages much!?
    Technically it would be
    Better for her to have the abortion, and repent, get a good job and help people. Than to try and feed and take care of the child and have the community look at her as trash, and not help her overcome her sin.

    If the world saw America was Christian
    These fights couldn’t happen
    Hands and feed of God

    No religion does what they say
    And if they really cared they would address the problems
    As in acts they all gave their abundant possessions to help those in need

    Not worrying about a 401k or if the people who received
    “Really just needed to pick themselves up by their boot straps”

    Until American Christians
    Address our pains in society
    Instead of asking Uncle Sam to fix our lives, having Jesus

    Your gonna have people who look for any excuses to not want to know God.

    When most pastors preach you gotta tithe,
    And the pastor is making more than the Average Americans (30k one person, 50k a family)

    Yes,
    Your going to have more people leave the church
    More people believe in aliens because at least the free love hippies take care of their own with no judgment or requirements for love and acceptance

    Love is spanking your son so he doesn’t run onto the highway ?

    But love is also
    If he knocks up his girlfriend
    To help him open a business, get his degree, even provide for the baby until he can make the better life.

    Not saying
    I know you got into MIT
    But you dug your grave now lye in it

  8. Andreas Xander says:

    I appreciate your very descriptive information. I think this is a great opportunity to engage with this guy and witness to him. I would probably start by asking him the following;

    I order to respond to your questions, I would also like to show you a few errors in your atheistic views and maybe we can discuss both both angles. This will enable you both to sit down and discuss all questions and may even potentially bring him to the lord.

  9. Markus Ramchiary says:

    You gave him a nice blow. He is down. I wonder if now it’s time to nurse and feed him.

  10. Dale Johnson says:

    Maybe he was expecting you to answer non apologetically. ?

  11. Ava Reyes says:

    If people want to join a group such as this one to discuss the subject that’s fine in my opinion. I am not for people knocking on my door, or flagging me down in the streets to discuss their religion. Although it does happen to me.
    If you are wearing Jesus t-shirts and reading the Bible on lunch, maybe you even made some religious comments without even thinking about it at times? I don’t know, I’m just saying it sounds like this person felt like you were pushing your religion on them a little bit maybe? Although I don’t condone somebody cornering you like that, I don’t think you should be surprised by it either.

  12. Freddy Jocksand Diaz says:

    Beautifully done. But pray for him. And encourage Christians to learn as well because their indoctrination is that chriatians are dumb and ignorant. Sometimes they are not wrong. We need just to learn our Scripture and no need to contend because Scripture alone defends itself.

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