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How a translation can be without error

The claim has been made that it is impossible to produce a fully accurate translation from one language into an other and therefore that it is impossible for a Bible translation to be without error. This in turn would make it necessary to understand the original languages in order to be able to access Biblical truth.

While it is true that languages don’t always have direct translations of specific words and the words and word order of expressions in different languages are not always the same, that doesn’t mean that errorless translation is impossible.

First of all in order for a translation to be in error it must be shown to communicate something other than what is expressed in the parent language and/or that it does not sufficiently convey the full meaning expressed in the parent language.

On the other hand the thing you need for a translation to be without error is for it to convey the full meaning of the parent language that can be ascertained from the context, by which also any incorrect assumption of the meaning of the message in the parent language is able to be rejected.

One example where it is supposed that the English cannot fully express the meaning of the Greek is with the words “agape” and “phileo” it is presumed that “agape” is the highest and purest form of love having no negative qualities whereas “phileo” is said to simply be brotherly love, however the scriptures reveal that these are unfounded notions for 2 Timothy 4:10 says that Demas forsook Paul having loved (agape) this present world. And John 5:20 says the Father loves (phileo) the Son. We see here that the word phileo is used for God the Father’s love for his Son. We also see from John 21:17 saying that Jesus asked Peter if he loved him a third time with “phileo” love, though before Jesus had twice asked him if he loved him with “agape” love showing that the words “agape” and “phileo” are really interchangeable and both have as general of a meaning as our English word for “love”.

And even if these words did have more precise meanings a solution to the problem would still exist, the word “charity” is used in the King James Bible in 1Corinthians 13 so as to distinguish it as the purest form of love, for love of money, the love of self or the love of sin are not forms of love that charity is capable of, thus biblically the English word “charity” has the exclusive meaning that the Greek word “agape” is presumed to have. Now the King James Bible also italicizes the words that are not found in the original languages but are necessary to properly convey the meaning of the original text. When the King James Bible italicizes these words it provides more information about the original text than modern versions since that way we are allowed not only to understand the meaning of the original text but also what the specific words being used in the original text are. Now if the word “agape” and “phileo” had the meanings ascribed to them by modern scholars, it could be accurately translated by using italicized words. For example Luke 21:15, which is commonly used to suggest the idea that these two words have different meanings could read (I use asterisks here to denote italicized words since Facebook doesn’t allow for italics in posts):

“…Simon, *son* of Jonas, lovest thou me *charitably*? He saith unto him,
Yea, Lord thou knowest that I love thee *brotherly*….”

Here we would know that the words “charitably” and “brotherly” were not in the original text but were added to convey the supposed true meaning of the text and we would have a fully accurate translation, supposing these words actually did have these different meanings.

But the final nail in the coffin for anyone who claims to believe in biblical inerrancy and also suppose that errorless translations are impossible, which by the way is imposing limitations on God, is the fact that the originals themselves contained translations. Paul for example delivered a whole speech in Hebrew in Acts 22 but Luke translated those words into Greek, so if errorless translations are impossible then not even the original scriptures were inerrant.

God is not concerned with the original languages. When he delivered his message to the Gentiles he saw fit to use the common language of the pagan nations he was reaching out to. So why would he not use the most widely used language of today? Gods word never makes any such claim that it would be preserved only in the original languages or in fact that it would be preserved in the original languages at all, just that it would be preserved. We have established that errorless translations are possible so it is necessary to consider the possibility, and the fact that God used the Greek language to deliver his message to a Greek speaking people, probability that Gods word is preserved in the most commonly spoken language in the world today.

But it is contended that the scriptures nowhere say that God would use the King James Bible to preserve his word, but that’s like saying that the scriptures nowhere indicate that a man named Jesus would be the Messiah, so you cannot discount the KJV as God’s unadulterated word on that basis.

So how do we know God’s unadulterated word is the King James Bible? Because God said he would preserve his word and it is the only possible candidate for an entirely inerrant Bible, it’s the only Bible that is accepted by any of God’s people as as inerrant and has proved itself for four hundred years so that the established reformation text of 1611 has been preserved to this day. After 400 years this book is still on the shelves of countless Christians everywhere. No other Bible has achieved what God has achieved through the King James Bible.

Discussion

11 comments

  1. Jim Lee says:

    You do not have a 1611 version of the KJV. If you did, you couldn’t read it. Languages are constantly changing.

  2. Rick Collins says:

    So much to say so it will take multiple posts and may have to take more than a day.

    1. If you consult the original preface to the 1611 edition, which is suspiciously and curiously missing from the modern KJV Bible, you will see that the translators never considered their translation to be anymore the Word of God than previous translations nor the last translation that needed to be done. They also used margin notes (also curiously missing) to show different reading and different scripts. Consider some quotes from the preface:

    “Now to the latter we answer; that we do not deny, nay we affirm and avow, that the very meanest translation of the Bible in English, set forth by men of our profession, (for we have seen none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet) containeth the word of God, nay, is the word of God. As the King’s speech, which he uttereth in Parliament, being translated into French, Dutch, Italian, and Latin, is still the King’s speech, though it be not interpreted by every Translator with the like grace, nor peradventure so fitly for phrase, nor so expressly for sense, everywhere. For it is confessed, that things are to take their denomination of the greater part; and a natural man could say, Verum ubi multa nitent in carmine, non ego paucis offendor maculis, etc. [Horace.] A man may be counted a virtuous man, though he have made many slips in his life, (else, there were none virtuous, for in many things we offend all) [James 3:2] also a comely man and lovely, though he have some warts upon his hand, yea, not only freckles upon his face, but also scars. No cause therefore why the word translated should be denied to be the word, or forbidden to be current, notwithstanding that some imperfections and blemishes may be noted in the setting forth of it. For whatever was perfect under the Sun, where Apostles or Apostolic men, that is, men endued with an extraordinary measure of God’s spirit, and privileged with the privilege of infallibility, had not their hand?… Judge by an example or two… So, by the story of Ezra, and the prophecy of Haggai it may be gathered, that the Temple built by Zerubbabel after the return from Babylon, was by no means to be compared to the former built by Solomon (for they that remembered the former, wept when they considered the latter) [Ezra 3:12] notwithstanding, might this latter either have been abhorred and forsaken by the Jews, or profaned by the Greeks? The like we are to think of Translations.”
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    “And to the same effect say we, that we are so far off from condemning any of their labors that travailed before us in this kind, either in this land or beyond sea, either in King Henry’s time, or King Edward’s (if there were any translation, or correction of a translation in his time) or Queen Elizabeth’s of ever renowned memory, that we acknowledge them to have been raised up of God, for the building and furnishing of his Church, and that they deserve to be had of us and of posterity in everlasting remembrance.”
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    “Some peradventure would have no variety of senses to be set in the margin, lest the authority of the Scriptures for deciding of controversies by that show of uncertainty, should somewhat be shaken. But we hold their judgment not to be sound in this point. …doth not a margin do well to admonish the Reader to seek further, and not to conclude or dogmatize upon this or that peremptorily? For as it is a fault of incredulity, to doubt of those things that are evident: so to determine of such things as the Spirit of God hath left (even in the judgment of the judicious) questionable, can be no less than presumption. Therefore as S. Augustine saith, that variety of Translations is profitable for the finding out of the sense of the Scriptures: [S. Aug. 2. de doctr. Christian. cap. 14.] so diversity of signification and sense in the margin, where the text is no so clear, must needs do good, yea, is necessary, as we are persuaded….They that are wise, had rather have their judgments at liberty in differences of readings, than to be captivated to one, when it may be the other.”

    These show the beliefs and stands of the original translators. You cannot assert that the KJV translators believed or asserted that they were supernaturally gifted to make a “perfect” translation. They proved that by providing margin notes about certain senses as they said in the quote above. there are plenty more if you are willing to open your eyes and look. If you do, you will see that they also believed in comparing of the Septuagint to compare readings…just like modern translations do today.

  3. Rick Collins says:

    2. The KJV commonly used today is NOT EVEN the original 1611. It is the 1769 revision. So was it the “Perfect” translation in the 1611 Version or in the 1769? Now I concede that there are minor differences between the 1611, and 1769. However, if you are traying to made the standard of a “perfect” in your idea, then any change would “change perfection”

  4. Rick Collins says:

    3. Your definition of perfection is very problematic in this post if you think about it. You have created a straw man. Those scholars who believe in using other translations do not assert that there is any error on the Word of God. They assert that, because of changing evolution in the English language, translations used in the KJV of the Bible are *now* inaccurate because of usage of words and phrases that have changed drastically. Here’s a couple of easy examples:

    a. Prevent-Now means to stop or to hinder. Ex. “You can’t prevent me from preaching the Gospel.” In KJ english, it meant to go before. Ex. “Although you arrived to the party before me, you did not prevent me from entering because we went in together”

    b. Conversation-Now means two or more people talking to each other. Back then it meant conduct.

    There are plenty of other examples here: https://www.gotquestions.org/KJV-words.html

    Secondly, in KJ’s day, there were approximately 6 Greek manuscripts available to use. One of them was translated by Desiderius Erasmus. If you look up his writings, you will find that, through a friend in the Vatican, he consulted the Codex Vaticanus in regard to the presence of 1 John 5:7. He originally was not going to include it because none of the mss he had contained it. It was only after a questionable mss “appeared” at his door that he inserted it. I say all that to say that we have litterally t000’s more greek manuscript today that the KJV translators had available to them. The oldest that the KJV translators had available to them were from the middle ages. We now have whole NT’s from 1000 years earlier and some fragments (like p52) dating to the first 50 years of the second century. In KJ’s day, it was thought that Koine Greek was a special religious form of Greek. Now, with the discovery of Oxyrhynchus Papyri, we know that Koine Greek was just the common form of Greek and there were numerous more examples of its use that were not just biblical texts. So, translations needed tweaking because our understanding of Koine Greek has greatly expanded.

    To sum up, errors are different things from differences in translations. The KJV translators did their best and created the best and, with the knowledge of Greek and Hebrew at that time and the mss available to them, created a VERY Accurate translation. I believe what we might call “mistranslations” today were the product of very faithful men translating from the limited knowledge and mss of their day. You are slandering what the majority of modern scholars assert today.

  5. Rick Collins says:

    4. Some other thoughts. Let’s quote you and comment:

    *”But it is contended that the Scriptures nowhere say that God would use the King James Bible to preserve his word, but that’s like saying that the scriptures nowhere indicate that a man named Jesus would be the Messiah, so you cannot discount the KJV as God’s unadulterated word on that basis.”*

    First, the Bible does not assert any English translation as the Word of God so your assertion here makes no logical sense. Plus you are using a logical fallacy here called a non-sequitur. A does not follow B. In point of fact, the Bible does assert that the man named Jesus is the Messiah so your argument here is not rational. Lastly, I believe I can speak for the majority of Greek Scholars (not as one of them, but as having read much of their writing) and say that they believe that the KJV is the unadulterated Word of God. However, so is any of the accurate translations available today. Yes there are tweaks needed but even with those tweaks needed, the Bible is still God-Breathed.

    Here’s another quote from you:

    “So how do we know God’s unadulterated word is the King James Bible? Because God said he would preserve his word and it is the only possible candidate for an entirely inerrant Bible, it’s the only Bible that is accepted by any of God’s people as as inerrant and has proved itself for four hundred years so that the established reformation text of 1611 has been preserved to this day. After 400 years this book is still on the shelves of countless Christians everywhere. No other Bible has achieved what God has achieved through the King James Bible.”

    This shows your blatant circular reasoning. “The KJV version is God’s only unadulterated Word of God, so the things I’m about to say prove my presupposition that the KJV version is God’s only unadulterated Word of God”

    “…it’s the only possible candidate for an entirely inerrant Bible”

    Why? How? Support your position by actual facts.

    “…it’s the only Bible that is accepted by any of God’s people at inerrant…”

    This is completely false statement on its face.

    “…and has proved itself for four hundred years so that the established reformation text of 1611 has been preserved to this day.”

    Of course it has because, until recently, it was the main and respected translation of the Bible. It was pretty much all there was.

    The Bishop’s Bible and Wycliffe Bible have been preserved to this day. So that really proves nothing other than these translations have been preserved.

    “…After 400 years this book is still on the shelves of countless Christians everywhere”

    I’m not sure what that proves exactly other than it is the Bible that many grew up with and has a special place in their hearts as a beautiful and poetic translation. I’m sure many people have Shakespeare’s writings on their shelf.

    “No other Bible has achieved what God has achieved through the King James Bible”

    So what are those achievements exactly? And following your line of reasoning, does that mean God has not achieved anything through any other translation in any language? Have millions that don’t know KJV english gone to Hell because they did not have the KJV Bible to read?

  6. Rick Collins says:

    Lastly, Sir you are in a cult mindset. You are starting with the presumption that the KJV is the only infallable Word of God and then using any arguments, no matter how illogical, to support that presupposition. How about starting with the presupposition that God has preserved His word, but preserved it in such a way that all people can have access to it through translations in their language from manuscripts that were copies of the ORIGINAL writings and that through more manuscripts, more knowledge, and more diligence by men and women of God who are skilled in the original languages are translating HIS eternal truths through good and accurate translations.

  7. Wynni Wagner says:

    It’s a translation! You kjv create such a divisive tone.

  8. Larry Koester says:

    In our church body its is consdered of major importance that our pastors can deal knoledgably with the original languages of the Scriptures because of the need to see what the original languagecis really aeeing without the blinder of a translation. It is often very rewarding to hear a clear exegesis of the original text. There is octen much we are missing if we only rely on a translation. There isn’t a perfect one. The KJV does have its problems besides the dated language which can be very misleading at times which being itself translated into more current English.

  9. Jerry Spencer says:

    “The Bible Doesn’t Say That: 40 Biblical Mistranslations, Misconceptions and Other Misunderstandings”
    By
    Dr. Joel M. Hoffman

  10. David Huckabay Jr says:

    I like the NLT, CJB, and NKJV. I think others are good too. It’s good to read and compare different versions as this gives a deeper meaning and understanding to the scriptures.

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