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“For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me”- John‬ ‭6:38‬

Some Oneness Pentecostals, to avoid the plainness of the passage, actually assert that the identity of the speaker here is the Holy Spirit and not the Son!

However, as I brought this point out before in debate, in John 6:38 – (generally) – the verbal action of the aorist (πέμψαντός -“having sent” by the Father) is antecedent to the action of the perfect main verb (καταβέβηκα- “I have come down”).

Thus, the action of the Son NOT ποιῶ (doing) His “own” will, but doing the “distinct” will of the Father, occurred before the action of the Son coming down to earth —viz. before the action of the Father sending Him.

I see two important points here as it relates to the Trinity- 1) the referential identity of the speaker was clearly and contextually the preincarnate person of the Son and 2) the eternal Son possessed a distinct (not separate) will from that of the will of the Father- i.e., before coming to earth, in His incarnational existence.

Holy, holy, holy, God in three persons, blessed Trinity!

– Edward Dalcour

Discussion

12 comments

  1. Hank Parrish says:

    there is no trinity…heres proof

  2. Stacy Turbeville says:

    Jesus is the Father in the flesh. Jesus is clear on this. John 8:24,27 He is the I AM. The I AM is the Father. John 14:7-10 He tells Phillip he is the Father. He never says he’s a God Son. John 17:3 He tells the Father He is the only God. He does not add that he too is God. The Father is the God that is in him. He is going back to the Father. He came forth from the Father John 16 says. Hebrews 1:3 says Jesus is the person of the Father. One person. Isaiah 9:6 is dead on: the Son (human) is the Mighty God and Everlasting Father (Spirit). Look at the birth God the Father encompassed Mary and put his Spirit in her and He became a human child. Never is a God the Son mentioned coming down to play his main roll. Never is a God the Son mentioned. Never in scripture is their an eternal Son with the Father. Never. Every verse about Jesus in the Old Testament is a future tense prophecy verse. Jesus was the image of the Father (Colossians 1:15). He’s not the image of the Son. It’s not in scripture. The verse you are talking about is the Father coming down from Heaven to be the Spirit in the Son. There’s only 1 First and Last, One Almighty, One Savior, One creator. God appointed creation to the Son Jesus (Psalms 8:6, Hebrews 2:7) but God made it alone (Isaiah 44:24) by himself it says. He doesn’t share his Glory (Isaiah 42:8). Jesus is the Holy Spirit (2 Corinthians 3:17) because he’s the One Lord God. He’s the Lord of the Sabbath. There’s no trinity anywhere in scripture. Father Son and Holy Spirit are titles. The NAME is Jesus. YHWH saves. The Father saves. He came and died in a man (Zachariah 12:10). Isaiah 49:16 We are engraved on his hands. God did not speak through the Son until the Last Days Hebrews 1:1-2.

  3. Thapelo Mahumo says:

    I’m lost in words….but I agree with you on this point God is 3 Person in 1

  4. Glenn Gerlach says:

    Nonsense! There are even contradictions in your own mistaken conclusions, one glaring inconsistency: Jesus is both the Father and he is “going back” to the Father. You unbiblicists need to take some classes in biblical hermeneutics because you can’t keep your stories straight.

  5. Joel Kurien says:

    Amen

  6. Zack Brown says:

    “But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.”
    ‭‭John‬ ‭16:7‬ ‭NASB‬‬

  7. Alkali Alfa says:

    The most important thing is to know the true creator of all that exists & worship Him in the right way.Don’t worship a Prophet/man.

    Allah is the creator The almighty God

  8. James Clark says:

    the imitation of Christ says the following. “What good does it do to speak learnedly about the Trinity if, lacking humility, you displease the Trinity? Indeed it is not learning that makes a man holy and just, but a virtuous life makes him pleasing to God. I would rather feel contrition than know how to define it. For what would it profit us to know the whole Bible by heart and the principles of all the philosophers if we live without grace and the love of God? Vanity of vanities and all is vanity, except to love God and serve Him alone.”

    The bible says The Prologue to John’s Gospel

    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 This one was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through him, and apart from him not one thing came into being thata has come into being. 4 In him was life, and the life was the light of humanity.b 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overcomec it.

    6 A man came, sent from God, ⌊whose name was⌋d John. 7 This one came for a witness, in order that he could testify about the light, so that all would believe through him. 8 That one was not the light, but camee in order that he could testify about the light. 9 The true light, who gives light to every person, was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world came into being through him, and the world did not recognizef him. 11 He came to his own things, and his own people did not receive him. 12 But as many as received him—to those who believe in his name—he gave to them authority to become children of God, 13 who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of a husband, but of God.

    14 And the Word became flesh and took up residence among us, and we saw his glory, glory as of the one and only from the Father, full of grace and truth. 15 John testified about him and cried out, saying, “This one was he about whom I said, ‘The one who comes after me is ahead of me, because he existed before me.’ ” 16 For from his fullness we have all received, and grace after grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came about through Jesus Christ.

    The Messiah’s Reign

    2 Why are nations in tumult,

    and countries plottinga in vain?b

    2 The kings of the earth establish themselves,

    and the rulers conspirec together

    against Yahweh and his anointed:

    3 “Let us tear off their bonds,

    and cast their cords from us!”

    4 He who sits enthroned in the heavens laughs.

    The Lord derides them.

    5 Then he speaks to them in his wrath,

    and in his fury he terrifies them:

    6 “But as for me, I have set my king

    on Zion, my holy mountain.”

    7 I will tell the decree;

    Yahweh said to me:

    “You are my son;

    today I have begotten you.

    8 Ask from me and I will make the nations your heritage,

    and your possession the ends of the earth.

    9 You will break them with an iron rod.

    Like a potter’s vessel you will shatter them.”

    10 So then, O kings, be wise.

    Be warned, O rulers of the earth.

    11 Serve Yahweh with fear,

    and rejoice with trembling.

    12 Kiss the Son

    lest he be angry and you perish on the way,

    for his anger burns quickly.

    Blessed are all who take refuge in him.

  9. Luzviminda Damance says:

    Jesus is in the most perfect harmony with the Father. The perfect unity with the Father ensures that Christ will accept all that the Father gives.

  10. Poimaino Christian-Ministries says:

    Your post is ridiculous. One God in 3 persons. To deny the trinity is to deny that YOU are not triune. As you are body, soul Spirit.

  11. Grant Reedy says:

    Seek forgiveness for the acts of sins against each other.
    Seek redemption from God through Christ Jesus, being sanctified, purified and Justified.

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