I have come to understand something and wanted to see what you all think. I believe the one power we have over God is our freewill. That this is one thing He will and can never take from me. Is my theology correct?
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We lost our free will in the Fall into sin in Eden.
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Control is an illusion. Satan wants you to think you can control everything and therefore don’t need God. Which is a lie.
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That power is not over God. It is despite Him.
He allows us to choose.
The fact that he allows it takes the power out of our hands and puts it back in His. -
No… the power we have to move our God is found in His own will. Discern it… do it… and every atom that exists will obey you. The only way that our Yeshua taught.
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That’s not really a theology we all think we can act independently from God but it just doesn’t work that way
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Yes. God respects our free will. That is why he loves it when we freely choose him. And he will never force someone into heaven against their will. If we did not have free will we would be robots or zombies..
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Charles Finley hate it the term “unlimited atonement” he believed that men have the free will to choose God, but Scripture says otherwise. Here is example of the sovereignty of God in salvation.
“A woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple fabrics, a worshiper of God, was listening; and the Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul.”
Acts 16:14 NASB -
Your theology is incorrect. God can take your free will if He so chooses (look at pharaoh in exodus). Secondly, while you have free will, God already knows what you’ll do and factored your stupidity into the creation of the universe.
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Free Will by definition is Free. He could violate your Free Will, but He chooses not to. It is a quality from Him that he has lent to us.
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There is no such thing as libertarian free will …its a myth.
However you are partially correct in that God created an attribute in His higher creation that He Himself does not possess .. The abilty to sin -
It is incorrect to say that we have any power over God. We do have a will, but we do not have free will. We are easily able to be influenced. If we had absolute free will, we would be able to choose to never sin, but we can’t. The Bible also says we are dead in our sin and cannot choose God apart from his Holy Spirit drawing us.
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The mere fact that the free will you have was given to you by God debunks your theory!
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this is thoguhts wich will build a house of cards in regard to a theology or to knove God and His atributes. a sound biblical antropology / knovledge of man is doomed to fail as well since the diagnosis of man in his falen nature is worse than wat you probably belive. You would be content to live in reprobation and embrase the darkness instead of Rrepentance and Christ if God didnt intervain in youre so caled free will. You are as alive as a rock. cold and helpless “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.” John 6:44, “Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”
John 6:29 Paul teaches clearly and quotes the Psalms in the book of romans 3:10-11 “No One Seeks God?” Period! The world in depravity seeks god in their own way and not acording to wat God demands since she is totaly alienated spirtual dead there is no bound betwen the Holy spirit and man but do to Souverign Grace he calls siners and interfare int their dead condition “And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.” Rom 8.30. But if you look more carefully in Rom 3, you will see what Paul is giving us here is a definition of sin that goes deep. He’s showing us that sin is relational before it ever becomes, if it ever becomes, a behavioral thing like breaking the law. Why? Look at the word turn away. “All have turned away …” Even look at the word seek. “… there is … no one who seeks God.”These are directional words. What it’s talking about is trajectory. It’s talking about direction. Your aim. Therefore, sin is not so much a matter of whether you’re doing bad things or good things. Sin is mainly a matter of what you’re doing your doing for. We’re being told sin makes you want to get away from God. Not go toward him; get away.
Sin makes you want to get out from under his gaze, get out from under his hands, get out from under his control. You want to be your own savior. You want to be your own lord. You want to keep God at arm’s length. You want to stay in control of your own life. That’s what sin makes you want to do. As we have often said, but we have to say it now again, there are two ways to be your own savior and lord.
There are two ways to keep God at arm’s length. One is to be a law to yourself. Live any way you want. The other is to be very, very, very good, and go to church and obey the Bible and do everything you possibly can and try to be like Jesus, so that God has to bless you, so God has to save you, in which case you’re trying to get control over God. In that case you’re not seeking God. You’re seeking things from God.
The text doesn’t say, “No one seeks blessing from God.” Of course they do. “No one seeks answers to prayer from God.” Of course they do. “No one seeks forgiveness from God.” Of course they do. “No one seeks spiritual …” Of course they do. But no. Paul’s saying no one seeks God. All your so-called serving, and all your so-called doing good, is really for yourself. It’s away from God. It’s away from others. It’s toward self-centeredness. That’s the trajectory.
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God doesn’t want to take away your free will…He created you that way because he wanted to have a relationship with you …..because you wanted it. It’s up to you.
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