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Can anyone provide the book, chapter, and verse to support KY Admin Bishop, Bruce Rabon’s, statement that tithing was commanded before the law (item 4 on the link)? Don’t want an argument, if the scripture exist just provide it and if it doesn’t (which I strongly suspect), simply state that. And if it doesn’t exist, can someone explain what gives this man the right to add to or change scripture?

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Charles Page says:

March 13, 2018 at 9:54 pm

How is this tying into KY COG?

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Daniel Reid says:

March 13, 2018 at 11:41 pm

Dan Traxler what in the world are you talking about????

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Jim Price says:

March 13, 2018 at 11:58 pm

CoG preachers usually refer to Melchizedek Gen.14 and Heb 7 as proof that Abraham felt a need to pay tithes. At any rate Bishop Rabon’s post makes sense and we do not have to have a bible verse in order to devise a plan to advance the kingdom. The bible doesn’t tell us to use a car or radio or TV or a computer to spread the gospel. Tithing is a good idea!

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Anthony Todd says:

March 14, 2018 at 12:06 am

Jim Price

>>> FIRST – Where has God IN FACT instructed a Christian to tithe?

Where did God…

1. Tell us, Christians, to tithe in the first place?

2. Tell Gentiles to tithe?

3. Tell us to tithe because tithing was around before the law?

4. Tell us to tithe money?

And…

> Where has God instructed a Christian to tithe because Abraham did? Abraham also circumcised; should we circumcise also because it was around before the law? If tithing based on Abraham, why not circumcising based on Abraham?

> Nowhere in the Old Testament did God EVER instruct anyone, including the Children of Israel, to tithe based on Abraham tithing; why would God suddenly instruct New Testament Believers to tithe because Abraham did?

> Where did God instruct a Christian to tithe because of your claim of tithing being around before the Law? How does “tithing before the law” establish tithing after the law?

> Where did God instruct the Church of Jesus Christ to tithe?

> The Levites owned the tithes, it was given to them by God; where and when has transferred the ownership of the tithe from the Levites to any church, any pastor, any evangelist, prophet, teacher, apostle, or anyone else?

> If, for Christians, “God still honor His word” concerning tithing, why then, as posted before…

If tithing was required and taught in the New Testament for Christians, it would have to be clearly detailed and outlined in the terms and conditions of the New Testament like all promises and commands of the New Testament are. Tithing instructions would be clearly included in the New Testament.

No such terms, conditions or details are outlined anywhere in the New Testament.

Tithing is not a doctrine or practice taught by the Apostles or other writers of the New Testament. No Apostle ever taught tithing, asked for a tithe, rebuked any person or church for not tithing, or received a tithe themselves. Not one of them. The early church (i.e. Book of Acts) NEVER tithed. We have NO record of them doing so.

>>> SECOND – RE: “Tithing is a good idea!”

OK, let’s do it GOD’S WAY, and NOT man’s way, shall we?

Here is GOD’S WAY…

Tithing was a total of 23-1/3%, not 10%, there were three required tithes; two paid every year, one paid every third year. (yeah, God really means that)…

>> THE FIRST TITHE
Leviticus 27:30-33 defines this tithe as a tenth of crops and animals in herds and flocks.
Numbers 18 gives the ordinances, or instructions, for this tithe, and commands this tithe be taken to the Levites.

> Purpose of this tithe: to support the Levitical Priesthood.

>> SECOND TITHE
Deuteronomy 14:22-27: aka The Festival Tithe – a tenth of crops, plus add to that the firstborn animals, and take to the yearly feasts.

> Purpose of this tithe: that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always

>> THIRD TITHE
Deuteronomy 14:28-29: aka, The Three-Year Tithe, aka The Poor Tithe – a tenth of crops, kept at home, and invite the Levites, widows, orphans, stranger to eat.

> Purpose of this tithe: to feed the poor.

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Anthony Todd says:

March 14, 2018 at 12:09 am

THIS, and ONLY THIS, is God’s tithe, Jim (GOD does not require, or even permit, the tithing of any form of money, ALL TITHES were restricted to fruits, vegetables and clean livestock from the Promise Land, NOWHERE ELSE)…and that has NOT changed,

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Anthony Todd says:

March 14, 2018 at 12:10 am

Sorry…Tithing is NOT a good idea! Giving freely is!

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Anthony Todd says:

March 14, 2018 at 2:11 am

David Lewayne Porter RE: “Tithing before the law, and after is a matter of the heart.

If you choose to discount tithing on the basis of the law, then you must discount the other items Jesus tied to it;

What about the other 12 ways of New Testament giving?
They are more than sufficient.”

>>> Tithing, in God’s system of tithing, is not a form of “giving.” That is one of the biggest fallacies of tithing teachers. (See article below)

>>> Tithing before the Law? You mean Abraham? Nowhere does the Bible instruct a Christian based on Abraham to tithe (or Jacob, for that matter), God did not even instruct the Child of Israel to tithe based on Abraham.

Consider…

>> Here is how Abraham tithed…

1. The example of Abraham is not a normative pattern; some people claim that tithing is required because Abraham gave a tenth to Melchizedek, and he lived before the Mosaic covenant (the Law) was in place. Such an example hardly proves tithing is for all time, however. Abraham’s gift to Melchizedek was a one-time event; there is no evidence he regularly gave God (or anyone) a tithe.

How does Abraham tithing ONCE before the Law prove that we should tithe regularly, or at all, AFTER the Law? It doesn’t. There is NO such command of God in the Old or New Testament. God have NEVER instructed Christians to tithe because Abraham did.

2. Abraham tithed on the spoils of war (which would be illegal under the Law, which is the tithing system, rules and procedures GOD ESTABLISHED; God did not establish a system of tithing outside of the Law of Moses, the Torah. There is no such second tithing system in the Old or New Testament).

3. Abraham tithed by paying 10% to a Priest, Melchizedek, and the remaining 90% he gave to a pagan King; in Abraham’s case, to the King Sodom, and to the men which went with him, Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre.

4. Abraham tithed one time (no record of Abraham ever tithing before or after, and no record of him teaching Issac to tithe or anyone else…Abraham was not a tithing teacher).

5. Abraham tithed without being commanded to do so. God never held Abraham responsible for tithing, and did not tell him to do so.

6. Abraham tithed on things he didn’t own. Some of which were Lot’s property (“And he gave him tithes of all.” – Genesis 14:20).

7. And, possibly, Abraham tithed human beings taken in his rescue of his Nephew, Lot.

8. Abraham tithed directly to a Priest, NOT to a church, tithing teacher or TV Evangelist. Also, he didn’t tithe to an organization, but rather to a person; Melchizedek.

9. Abraham tithed because of a ONE TIME special event; the slaughter of the Kings upon rescuing Lot, his tithe was not a regular weekly event.

10. God gave Abraham the covenant of circumcision, yet tithing, not given by God, is held in higher priority by tithing teachers than a God-ordained covenant; the covenant with Abraham was confirmed with circumcision, not tithing.

11. Abraham tithed to a KING, Melchizedek; are we to treat pastors as KINGS and the church they oversee as a “Kingdom run by a KING?”

12. Abraham’s one time tithe was used by the writer of Hebrews in Hebrews Chapter Seven to careful and thoroughly explain why all Biblical tithing has ended.

13. Abraham also circumcised before the law; should we do that too? Why just tithing?

14. Abram had to kill someone before he had the elements to tithe.

15. Abram’s tithe didn’t come from the Promise Land, it came from spoils of war from Sodom and Gomorrah. In God’s system of tithing, any tithe from outside the Promise Land was illegal.

Genesis 14:11-12…

“And they took all the goods of Sodom and Gomorrah, and all their victuals, and went their way. And they took Lot, Abram’s brother’s son, who dwelt in Sodom, and his goods, and departed.”

>> That is “Abrahamic tithing” …AND WOULD BE ILLEGAL UNDER THE LAW, and the Law is the ONLY PLACE God has ever commanded tithing.

Tithing is not a New Testament doctrine; there is no such thing as “New Testament tithing,” or “Tithing under grace.” If tithing was required and taught in the New Testament for Christians, it would have to be clearly detailed and outlined in the terms and conditions of the New Testament like all promises and commands of the New Testament are. Tithing instructions would be clearly included in the New Testament.

No such terms, conditions or details are outlined anywhere in the New Testament.

>> Tithing teachers enjoy pulling out highly selective sections of scripture to fool their followers into handing over their “tithe” money. That is called taking scripture out of context to deceive. They love the “BECAUSE” part, they hate the “AS” part.

>> THE WORD OF GOD warns us to be careful and alert…

“That we from now on be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;” – Ephesians 4:14

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Anthony Todd says:

March 14, 2018 at 2:11 am

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>>> A Common Misconception…

One of the common misconceptions you hear on a routine basis is that tithing, as established by God, was some form of “giving.” Many tithing teachers preach impassioned sermons on the importance of “giving your tithe” while mixing and equating giving with tithing as more or less one and the same thing.

False phrases within sermons or teaching sessions (AKA: the traditions of men) are often heard such as “God is calling us to give our tithe faithfully,” or “When you give your tithe, God will bless you,” or “God loves a cheerful giver, so tithe cheerfully.” etc. We have all heard these type of statements from pulpits.

In reality, tithing and giving, in God’s system of tithing and giving, are mutually exclusive, they are not the same, and have all but nothing to do with each other, other than often, under the Old Testament Law, performed sometimes together in concert with each other; hence the term “tithes AND offerings.”

So then, just what is a tithe, and what was tithing?

Authentic biblical tithing as commanded by God was NOT an offering, NOT a charitable contribution and was NOT a gift to the Levite; in was IN FACT an act of surrendering the sole property of the Levite to the Levite. Failure to surrender the tithes to the Levite was a violation of the Law that carried Godly curses for failing or refusing to do so.

If you will notice, in these verses, the Levites are instructed, and recorded as TAKING the tithe, indicating ownership of the tithe (you TAKE something, in this case, if you own it)…

1. The tithe(s) were the property of the Levite.

“And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.” – Numbers 18:21.

2. The Levite could at anytime take what was his property.

“And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house.” – Nehemiah 10:38.

> Notice; “Levites TAKE tithes…”

“And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:” – Hebrews 7:5

> Notice; “have a commandment to TAKE tithes of the people”

3. The Levite did not have to seek permission to take the tithe, they already had it from God.

“Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye TAKE of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the Lord, even a tenth part of the tithe.” – Numbers 18:26

4. Failing to turn it over to the Levite his property was illegal under God’s Law, and carried curses and punishment for not surrendering to the Levite his God given inheritance/property; Deuteronomy 27:26, Malachi 2:1-3

“Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.” – Deuteronomy 27:26

“And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the Lord of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it.” – Malachi 2:1-3

5. The Levite was commanded by God to TAKE the tithe; not ask for it. By TAKING the tithe, the Levite was simply taking what was his property. The Levite did not receive the tithe as an offering or charity. Again; Nehemiah 10:38.

If you were a farmer, growing corn, as an example, on the Promise Land, and you had planted 100 rows of corn, the Levite could at anytime, come on to your land and TAKE 10 rows of the corn you had planted without seeking permission to do so because the Levite was simply taking possession of his personal property.

>> Which leads to these two last points…

1. Where has God transferred the ownership of the tithes from the Levite to any Pastor, Teacher, Apostle, Evangelist, Prophet and any church organization?

NOWHERE; and if they don’t OWN IT, they have no right to it.

2. The tithe was not surrendered by anyone other than farmers and ranchers who were physical descendants of Abraham and Sarah living on the Promise Land.

>>> We are not called to be tithers, we are called by God to be free will generous cheerful givers…

> 2 Corinthians 9:7, “Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; NOT grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.”

> Luke 3:11 – “And he would answer and say to them, “The man who has two tunics is to share with him who has none; and he who has food is to do likewise.”

> Luke 6:38 – “Give, and it will be given to you. They will pour into your lap a good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over. For by your standard of measure it will be measured to you in return.”

> Acts 20:35 – “In everything I showed you that by working hard in this manner you must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He Himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.”

> Romans 12:8 – “…Or he who exhorts, in his exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who
shows mercy, with cheerfulness.”

> Philippians 4:15-17 – “And you yourselves also know,

> Philippians, that at the first preaching of the gospel, after I departed from Macedonia, no church shared with me in the matter of giving and receiving but you alone; for even in Thessalonica you send a gift more than once for my needs. Not that I seek the gift itself, but I seek for the profit which increases to your account.”

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David Lewayne Porter says:

March 14, 2018 at 2:45 am

Anthony Todd
Do you truly want me to address your book?

Here’s a few:
1) Abram gave a tithe of all (He was not Abraham yet,, Gen).
2) – pass
3) not so,,, the young men kept their portions

5) correct,
I do believe I stated it was a matter of the heart.
If you do feel it, keep your money, it will do you no good to give it anyway.

6) you do realize that the spoils of war go to the Victor. That is,why the king of Sodom was willing to not lay claim to them upon Abraham’s return with the spoil.

8 ) and how are you going to give the tithe to the priest today without going through the church?

10 &13
I know several current christian believers who are circumcised. (Actually more than several)…….
So yes the covenant of Abraham confirmed through FAITH, I believe you missed that part,
Confirmed through circumcision, yes oh wait, Paul covered that didn’t he.

14) Abraham was wealthy before the slaughter of the Kings. He did not have to kill anyone to receive assets on which to tithe.

You say the tithing of Abraham (Abram actually) would have been illegal under the law.
First, I covered that he had full rights to it as discussed above.
Second, they predated the law and are not subject to it.

As far as you claiming “tithing teachers …. To fool their followers……
I don’t have followers.
When you can define and explain the other 12 New Testament ways of giving then I will clarify New Testament thithing.

You see, Regardless of how or what you give, if it is not in faith from your heart then you need to keep your money.

God does not need your supply, funds, or provision.
He wants Faith, trust and obedience from a pure heart.

I don’t (have to) trick or guilt the church members into giving.
We mention the needs and they give.
If they don’t give willingly from their heart with a clear conscience then I don’t want it and God does not need it.

I am through answering or rebutting your book.

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Anthony Todd says:

March 14, 2018 at 2:58 am

David Lewayne Porter

RE: “Here’s a few:
1) Abram gave a tithe of all (He was not Abraham yet,, Gen).
2) – pass
3) not so,,, the young men kept their portions ”

>>> Correct, he was ABRAM at that time, and his tithing was nothing more than a pagan tradition; are we to follow pagan traditions?

RE: “you do realize that the spoils of war go to the Victor.”

>>> What Abram tithed on was not spoils he claimed, he claimed NOTHING, but still tithed part of it to Melchizedek. He clearly tithed on property that was NOT HIS; should we do the same?…

“And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the Lord, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth, That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:” Genesis 14:22-23

RE: “Abraham was wealthy before the slaughter of the Kings. He did not have to kill anyone to receive assets on which to tithe.”

>>> Yes, but HE DID kill someone, your point is moot, and proves nothing.

RE: “You say the tithing of Abraham (Abram actually) would have been illegal under the law.
First, I covered that he had full rights to it as discussed above.
Second, they predated the law and are not subject to it.”

>>> It did predate the Law (pagan tithing, that is, NOT God’s form of tithing, which is established IN THE LAW; see Matt 23:23…tithing “a matter of the law), correct, and prohibited by the Law; why would his tithing suddenly become OK under the New Testament? Should we go out and kill people to tithe?

Obviously Abraham (or Abram) is NOT an example as to how, or if, a person should tithe under the New Testament. Abram (Abraham) also circumcised, should we do that also?

>>> Do you want me to continue? You haven’t proven very much! 🙂

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Anthony Todd says:

March 14, 2018 at 3:08 am

David Lewayne Porter RE: “As far as you claiming “tithing teachers …. To fool their followers……
I don’t have followers.
When you can define and explain the other 12 New Testament ways of giving then I will clarify New Testament thithing.”

>> There are 3 three basic reason for giving under the New Testament; they are…

1. Giving as a praise to God,

2. Giving to the poor and needy,

3. Giving to support the work of the ministry.

You could add a 4th reason…

4. Giving just because you want to give back to God from what He has given you.

>> To be honest, I see no reason I need to explain giving to you before you can explain, or point out to me, where tithing is instructed in the New, or the Old, Testament.

Please feel free to show me in the Bible where a Christian is instructed to tithe (surrender 10% of all income to some kind of ministry). Tithing was of the Law, we are not under the Law, we are instructed to NOT walk under the Law; we are Under Grace and therefore we are to be free will givers, not tithers.

No Apostle ever instructed tithing, asked for a tithe, rebuked any person or church for not tithing, or received a tithe. Not one of them. The early church (i.e. Book of Acts) NEVER tithed. We have NO record of them doing so.

If tithing was required and taught in the New Testament for Christians, it would have to be clearly detailed and outlined in the terms and conditions of the New Testament like all promises and commands of the New Testament are.

Tithing instructions would be clearly included in the New Testament. No such terms, conditions or details are outlined anywhere in the New Testament. Tithing was never, is not now, and will never be part of the New Testament.

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David Lewayne Porter says:

March 14, 2018 at 3:09 am

Pagan tradition.
LoL.
That is why the pagan tradition was referenced by the writer of Hebrews used it as a reference point of obedience and faith.

Yeah, let’s follow paganism as we go forward in faith.

I don’t have to prove anything.
That is not up to me.

You may continue to publish your book if you wish, since you are from from putting truth into print.

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David Lewayne Porter says:

March 14, 2018 at 3:13 am

Wow Anthony Todd
Your understanding of New Testament giving is shallow.

I did not say 12 reasons, I said ways.
Maybe the issue is that you read what you want to see and not what is being said.
Honestly, that would explain a lot.

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Anthony Todd says:

March 14, 2018 at 3:18 am

David Lewayne Porter RE: ” New Testament giving is shallow.”

>>>>>> Shallow? Hmmm, let me see, one of my teachings on giving…

>>> Continuing my simple series called; “Lies About Tithing.” Here is lie Twenty Three…

> Lie – “The only reason Anthony Todd is against tithing is because he is against giving.” Or; “people who oppose tithing are cheap stingy people.” Or’ “Non tithers are just looking for an excuse to be greedy.”

> Truth – A few people, when I post these comments called “Lies About Tithing,” have made claims such as this to me;

“In all honesty this seems to be a pet issue for you which causes me to think you have an issue with giving.”

That was an actual answer to one of my posts.

In reality, I have made it VERY clear that generous free will cheerful giving is taught in the Bible for all Believers. All Christians are to learn how to be cheerful givers.

>> There are three main areas of giving, they are…

1. Giving as a praise to God because God is worthy of the greatest possible praises in every way we can!

2. Giving to help the poor, the destitute, and anyone who has a need.

3. Giving to support the work of the ministry.

As posted in the past…

>> We are NOT to be tithers, we are to be free will givers, like this…

2 Corinthians 9:7, “Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; NOT grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.”

Luke 3:11 – “And he would answer and say to them, “The man who has two tunics is to share with him who has none; and he who has food is to do likewise.”

Luke 6:38 – “Give, and it will be given to you. They will pour into your lap a good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over. For by your standard of measure it will be measured to you in return.”

Acts 20:35 – “In everything I showed you that by working hard in this manner you must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He Himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.”

Romans 12:8 – “…Or he who exhorts, in his exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.”

Philippians 4:15-17 – “And you yourselves also know, Philippians, that at the first preaching of the gospel, after I departed from Macedonia, no church shared with me in the matter of giving and receiving but you alone; for even in Thessalonica you send a gift more than once for my needs. Not that I seek the gift itself, but I seek for the profit which increases to your account.”

James 2:15-16 – “If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?”

As you can easily see, we are called to be givers, but there is NO tithing mentioned in ANY of the scriptures on giving listed above. Not even a hint of tithing! Hopefully, that will put to rest any idea that I do not believe in giving.

>>> Further study on giving…

1. The Bible commands believers to give:

Pro.3:27 – Withhold not good from them to whom it is due
Pro.3:28 – Say not, tomorrow I will give; when thou hast it by thee
Mat.5:42 – Give to him that asketh thee, &…would borrow
Lk.3:11 – He that hath two coats…impart to him that hath none
Rom.12:13 – Distributing to the necessity of saints…hospitality

2. God blesses us when we give:

Mat.6:4 – Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly

A. Spiritual blessings:

Pro.11:25 – The liberal soul…he that watereth shall be watered
Pro.13:7b – (He) maketh himself poor [gives], yet hath great riches
Pro.14:21 – He that hath mercy on the poor, happy is he
Mk.10:21 – Give to the poor, & thou shalt have treasure in Heaven
Acts 20:35 – It is more blessed to give than to receive

B. Material blessings:

Deut.15:10 – For this the Lord shall bless thee in all thy works
Pro.11:24a – There is that scattereth, & yet increaseth
Isa.58:10,11 – If thou draw out thy soul to the hungry…the Lord… shall satisfy thy soul in drought
Lk.6:38a – Give, & it shall be given unto you; good measure
Lk.6:38b – With the same measure ye mete it shall be measured

3. Giving to God’s work:

A. When we give, we are giving to Jesus:

Mat.25:40 – Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these My brethren, ye have done it unto Me

B. When we give to God’s work, we are investing:

Pro.19:17 – He… lendeth unto the Lord; &…He will pay him again
Lk.10:30-37 – Whatsoever thou spendest…when I come, I will repay
Phi.4:17 – Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit (saved souls) that may abound to your account

C. God will pay us back for sacrificial giving:

Pro.22:9 – He…shall be blessed; for he giveth…to poor
Pro.28:27a – He that giveth unto the poor shall not lack
Eccl.11:1 – Cast thy bread upon the waters: thou shalt find it
2Cor.9:6b – He which soweth bountifully shall reap bountifully

4. Christian duty regarding giving & sharing:

2Cor.8:4,5,7 – As ye abound in every thing, in faith…in love…see that ye abound in this grace (giving) also
Heb.13:16 – To do good & communicate (share w/ others) forget not

A. Obligation to support fulltime workers & missionaries:

Rom.15:27 – Their debtors they are…their duty is to minister unto them in carnal things
1Cor.9:6-11 – If we have sown unto you spiritual things…we shall reap your carnal (material & financial) things
Gal.6:6 – Let him that is taught communicate (share materially) to him that teacheth
1Tim.5:17,18 – They who labour in the Word…the labourer is worthy of his reward (wages)
(See also 3Jn.7,8.)

B. Examples of giving to needy fellow Christians:

Rom.15:26 – Pleased them…to make a contribution for the poor saints
Gal.6:10 – Do good…unto them who are of the household of faith
Phi.4:15,16 – [Paul said:] Concerning giving & receiving…ye sent once & again to my necessity (See also 1Cor.16:1; 2Cor.9:12.)

C. Everyone to give according to their ability:

Deut.16:17 – Every man shall give as he is able, according to the blessing of the Lord…which He hath given thee
Acts 11:29 – The disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren
1Cor.16:2 – Let every one of you lay in store [set aside to give], as God hath prospered him
2Cor.8:12 – It is accepted according to that a man hath

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Anthony Todd says:

March 14, 2018 at 3:20 am

David Lewayne Porter RE” Wow Anthony Todd…”

WOW, David!…enjoy what I posted above^^^ (Y)

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Anthony Todd says:

March 14, 2018 at 3:23 am

Also forgot, David Lewayne Porter…

>> The answer to your question regarding Abraham’s tithe to Melchizedek is actually very simple. First, you must take time to read the entire context of Genesis 14:8-24, plus also read Hebrews 7:1-10. After reading these passages, you should take time to go thru them, and determine who paid tithes, where did the tithes come from, to whom were they given and why.

> Genesis 14:8-12 The kings of Sodom and Gomorrah (Plus their allies) fought a battle against king Chedorlaomer king of Elam (plus his allies). Chedorlaomer king of Elam and his allies won the battle and took all the food supply and other goods from Sodom. They also took Lot, Abram’s nephew, and his possessions and departed, for he (Lot) was living in Sodom.

> Genesis 14:9-17 The incident was reported to Abram and he took 318 of his trained servants and defeated Chedorlaomer king of Elam. The Abram brought back all the goods, and also brought back his relative Lot with his possessions, and also the women, and the people.

> Genesis 14:18-20 After his return from the defeat of Chedorlaomer, Abram was met by Melchizedek king of Salem and a Canaanite priest of God Most High, refreshing them with bread and wine and he blessed Abram. The blessing was given to Abram, a very important fact to remember. In response, Abram gave ONE-TENTH (10%) of all the goods of Sodom that were stolen by Chedorlaomer to Melchizedek. Abram did NOT tithe from his own possessions, an essential fact to refute tithing practices in the new covenant.

> Genesis 14:21-24 The king of Sodom offered to give Abram all the goods of Sodom that were recovered for himself, but Abram refused, taking not one single item, to give honor to Yahweh, lest people say this pagan king of Sodom made him rich. This is a very important point, because Abram took NO INCOME and the tithe he gave to Melchizedek did not come from his goods, but those of the Sodomites and 1/10 of Lot’s recovered goods.

>>> CONCLUSION: If Abram’s aforementioned encounter is used by your pastor to justify the practice of tithing from one’s gross income, then he is justifying Christians paying 10% of goods and money they do not own! Even worse, paying tithes this way means they have to find someone who has be robbed and recover the stolen goods. For example, if jewelry was stolen in a burglary, the tithing Christian must first return the stolen goods to the rightful owner, who must not be a Christian, (in keeping true to the symbolism of Abram and Melchizedek) and then use 10% of the recovered goods as a tithe to the church. This is an outlandishly absurd example and it ought to be ample proof for rejecting this false doctrine of church tithing. There are a few other reasons why Abram’s tithe to Melchizedek cannot be used to justify church tithing as a practice.

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David Lewayne Porter says:

March 14, 2018 at 3:26 am

To answer my question Anthony Todd…
There you go again.

I did not ask a question of you concerning giving in any of the 13 New Testament ways.
Nor will I.
And by the way you have handled the scriptures up to now, nor can I.

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David Lewayne Porter says:

March 14, 2018 at 3:29 am

I am not wasting my time on your posts, seeing you butchered it with the first 3 books.

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Anthony Todd says:

March 14, 2018 at 3:45 am

David Lewayne Porter RE: “Oh I have your scripture. ”

GOOD; Show me SCRIPTURE instructing a Christian to tithe; Book, Chapter, Verse.

I await your reply.

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Anthony Todd says:

March 14, 2018 at 3:48 am

Time to stop acting childish and learn a little, David.

>>> Here are many reason why tithing does not fit into Christianity, and never will…

1. Tithes, all three, were paid to the Levites, with some of the tithe consumed by the tither, and some of the tithe given to the poor and needy. The focus was surrendering the tithes to the Levites; do you know any Levites you can tithe to?

2. Tithing was established and commanded by God in the Law of Moses, sometimes called “The Law,” “The Commandment,” or “The Torah;” no matter what The Law was called, we as Christians are not under The Law, we are therefore not required to tithe.

3. Tithing was primarily established by God to support the Tribe of Levi and their Priestly duties; there are no Levite Priests ministering to the New Testament Church, no Priesthood to support, no need for tithing.

4. The tithes were the personal property of the Levite; God has never transferred ownership of the tithes from the Levite to any Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor, Teacher, Church, other Ministry, or anyone else.

5. Some tithing teachers claim that we should “tithe as Abraham did,” there is no scripture in the entire Bible, New or Old Testaments, insctructing Christians to tithe as Abraham did.

6. All tithes were restricted by God to be fruits, vegetables and clean animals from the Promise Land grown or raised by farmers and ranchers; how many Christians do you know who are farmers and ranchers living on the Promise Land? The tithe is tied to the land Israel received under the Old Covenant. The tithes did not come off of any other land except the Promise Land.

7. God never instructed or permitted Gentiles to tithe.

8. No Apostle ever instructed tithing, asked for a tithe, rebuked any person or church for not tithing, or received a tithe. Not one of them. The early church (i.e. Book of Acts) NEVER tithed. We have NO record of them doing so.

9. After the death of Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law, the New Testament nowhere commands, or even recommends, that Christians submit to a legalistic tithe system, or any other tithing examples.

10. The New Testament talks about the importance and benefits of giving. We are to give as we are able. Sometimes that means giving more than 10 percent; sometimes that may mean giving less. It all depends on the ability of the Christian and the needs of the body of Christ.

11. Malachi 3:9-10 does not apply to us today, it was written to the Nation of Israel and the corrupt Priesthood. We can always learn about various truths and principles from any part of God’s word, but that does not imply that scripture such as Malachi 3:6-11 is directly speaking to us as Christians. Some scripture is speaking diretly to us, as Christians, some is speaking indirectly to us; unless, of course, you believe we should all be buiding boats such as Noah did?

12. Nowhere is tithing mentioned when commands to give generously are found in the New Testament.

When Christians are instructed to give to the poor, they aren’t commanded to give “the poor tithe.” Instead, they are instructed to be generous in helping those in need (Acts 2:43–47; 4:32–37; 11:27–30; Gal. 2:10; 1 Cor. 16:1–4; 2 Cor. 8:1–9:15). For example, 1 Corinthians 16:1–4—a passage often cited in popular circles in support—doesn’t mention tithing; it relates to a one-time gift for poor saints in Jerusalem.

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Ronnie Waldridge says:

March 14, 2018 at 9:18 pm

Abraham tithe before the law. But he did on his own but not commanded. God then said he would bless him

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Ronnie Waldridge says:

March 14, 2018 at 9:20 pm

Jesus commenced his followers fur tithing of they’re Mint and Cummings but scolded then fur mittding the greater things of the law. Taking care of orphan and widow

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Anthony Todd says:

March 14, 2018 at 9:23 pm

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>>> The false teaching is that Abraham freely gave tithes because it was God’s will.

For the following reasons, Genesis 14:20 cannot be used as an example for Christians to tithe.

(1) The Bible does not say that Abraham “freely” gave this tithe.

(2) Abraham’s gift was NOT a holy tithe from God’s holy land gathered by God’s holy people under God’s holy Old Covenant.

(3) Abraham’s tithe was only from pagan spoils of war common to many nations.

(4) In Numbers 31, God only required 1% of spoils of war.

(5) Abraham’s tithe to Melchizedek was a one-time recorded event.

(6) Abraham’s tithe was not from his own personal property.

(7) Abraham kept nothing for himself; he gave everything back.

(8) Abraham’s tithe is not quoted anywhere in the Bible to endorse tithing.

(9) Genesis 14, verse 21, is the key text. Since most commentaries explain verse 21 as an example of pagan Arab tradition, it is contradictory to explain the 90% of verse 21 as pagan, while insisting that the 10% of verse 20 was God’s will.

(10) If Abraham is an example for Christians to give 10% to God, then he should also be an example for Christians to give the other 90% to Satan, or to the king of Sodom!

(11) Since neither Abraham nor Jacob had a Levitical priesthood to support, they had no place to bring tithes and probably left food for the poor at their altars.

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Anthony Todd says:

March 14, 2018 at 9:27 pm

Ronnie Waldridge RE: “Jesus commenced his followers fur tithing of they’re Mint and Cummings but scolded then fur mittding the greater things of the law. Taking care of orphan and widow”

>>> That is incorrect; Jesus in Mathew 23:23 / Luke 11:42-49, was talking to Pharisees, not His followers or disciples…

“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.” – Matthew 23:23

> NOTE: “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees” …not His followers or disciples; scribes and Pharisees.

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Anthony Todd says:

March 14, 2018 at 9:58 pm

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Still no scripture from David Lewayne Porter or Daniel Reid instructing a Christian to tithe. So far, only silence as a response.

Therefore…

>>> As asked OVER and OVER again…

Provide me SCRIPTURE instructing a Christian to tithe; Book, Chapter and Verse…pursuant to…

“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.” – Acts 17:11

“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” – 1 John 4:1

>> I await your answers, David and Daniel.

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