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5 years ago • April 14, 2021 • by ourCOG

Although im not a big fan of this page , and frankly im disappointed in all parties i would like to point out some things to fellow Christians.
When someone , asks you to prove to him that Christianity is true , or why God is behind the universe and not something else , you need to keep something in mind.
It is not the Christians responsibility to convince an atheist. I can play skeptic about anything , sit back and doubt everything you say and hammer away at your position. I can deny every single thing you say, and you can do nothing about it. I can deny you are real.
I am tired of seeing the same conversations over and over again on multiple apologetic pages , where one skeptic asks something or denies something and five or more christians try to prove him wrong or convince him.

You will never change their minds , ever. And christians end up looking “defeated”and stupid.

What you can do is state your position and evidence , which there are plenty and thats why I abandoned atheism first and then agnosticism for Christianity, and if the skeptic says : “I disagree ! That is not evidence! How do you know?”
Dont follow up. Its time for them to state why they disagree with your position, why they believe that the Resurrection is not the best explanation , why we should doubt the existence of a creator and provide a better explanation (so its not enough to state there is some other possible explanation , but need to show why its more probable). If they dont , they are not interested in the truth , just in hammering away and poking holes in your worldview.
Youre free to say “Of course you can disagree. Have a nice day !”

Of youre an agnostic about everything , you dont claim knowledge that Christianity is false. You can provide reasons youre personally skeptical , but if you cant provide a better explanation then the worth of what youre claiming stops there.
We are not a jury , questioning Christians. We are in search of truth , and the most probable explanation.
And for Gods sake , be Christlike and gentle and remember who we are trying to represent.
Thanks for your time.

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51 comments

  1. Ed Dembowczyk says:
    March 30, 2020 at 7:30 am

    I know Christ is alive in me and who can tell me I’m wrong. I’m with you and many just want to destroy our faith which makes me wonder why? Why is it so important for atheist to ‘convert’ others? Christians have a great reason to convert others but what motivation does someone believing death is the end want everyone else to believe that? Could it be to help themselves feel better about their belief?

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  2. Aaron Relyea says:
    March 30, 2020 at 7:34 am

    So true. We’re told to give answers but not get into endless debates.

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  3. Kate Marie Wendi says:
    March 30, 2020 at 7:42 am

    Arguing a persons way to heaven is like trying to hold either the Atlantic or Pacific Ocean in a thimble. Pure motives impure methods, impurer strategies. Total depravity breeds it. The will has to be changed before the mind will will to be willed.

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  4. Lukas Dohnal says:
    March 30, 2020 at 7:56 am

    Thank you ?

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  5. Henk Saunders says:
    March 30, 2020 at 8:02 am

    Well said??

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  6. Luke Smith says:
    March 30, 2020 at 8:06 am

    You are right, it’s not about evidence of God, that’s just the excuse atheists hide behind.
    They can’t commit to anything otherwise they lose their escape root which is such a weak position they don’t realise how pathetic that is.

    It doesn’t matter what anyone says, one will be accused of bias, special pleading, Fallacies of all descriptions, straw man and anything else that suits them on the day.

    They avoid answering questions, deny when their own words trap them, they will introduce a new topic as a distraction while they dig themselves out of a hole and end most conversations with personal attacks when they are cornered.

    They claim logic and reasoning though over the last few years I have never come across any atheist who can demonstrate that and when they have been corrected in misuse of the scriptures, it makes absolutely no difference as they are intellectually ignorant and dishonest as their agendas and narratives are their fixation regardless.

    They embrace death, rather than embrace life and their opportunity for existence and so they shall have their desires if they keep their current position.

    They suffer with Cognitive Dissonance and if this wasn’t true, they wouldn’t hesitate to validate God when the evidence of God is available to the to acknowledge for themselves, though they won’t.

    They don’t want God to exist as God then becomes a liability to them rather than an asset.

    The point is, we are to be ready with an answer and one can’t be ready with an answer if they have no knowledge of God in the first place.
    Most believers and all non believers all start with a false premise and argue from ignorance as neither has bothered to identify God in the first place to confirm or deny God.

    For most believers, they hold onto their faith which is indeed a critical criteria of God, though the point most believers miss is, faith in context of scriptures actually means to trust in God, to trust in their relationship with God, to come to the knowledge of God as God requires all mankind to do so.

    Faith (trust) is the beginning of, not the end of otherwise one becomes a goat who is only interested in satisfying themselves, who eat up everything that suits them.

    The believers are seed planters and the sheep are clueless when and where they gave bread to Christ or when they gave drink to Christ.

    God gives the increase of His Word to whomever He wills for His will and purpose in a season that gives that seed best chance of growth and survival. so it to can grow strong and produce fruit, some a 100 fold, some 60 and some 30.

    As you can see, there is a range between 100-30 and every single one matters and their is something each individual can offer to the unbelievers, that helps as they are not against God.

    I do however advise believers to stay in the Spirit and not work in the flesh as you basically pointed out.

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  7. Rene Chantraine says:
    March 30, 2020 at 8:07 am

    I don’t really agree with everything you said because I beleiy that the church has two responsibilities one to defend the truth and another one to offend! And what you just said is a defense of the truth which is truth but how about the offense side? Preaching is all about convincing an unbeliever that his way is wrong but Christ is the right way this is all about reasoning with him and this what Paul did in Ephesus in Acts17, if we believe that in atheist there are elects of God to salvation then this only motivation is enough to try to convince them with gospel believing it is not me and you who can change them but the Holy Spirit and this goes for any unbeliever not only atheist, itis God who saves but through the calling of the gospel! I do agree with that we need to be wise because according to Romans 1 people who always suppress the truth will always be there and we should have that in mind as we go to evengelise but God is faithful for the those who are elects for salvation he will saves them and convince them through our preaching!

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  8. Thomas Paine says:
    March 30, 2020 at 8:09 am

    I mostly agree. Although we should be open to giving the unsaved the gospel, we will never talk someone into heaven. Give them the gospel, pray for them, show yourself friendly.

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  9. Bob Bosch says:
    March 30, 2020 at 8:11 am

    As an atheist I can say that is well said.
    The only thing I would disagree with is this seeming need for an alternative explanation.

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  10. Deby Naomi Poole says:
    March 30, 2020 at 8:12 am

    Fully agree. Thank you!

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  11. Ricardo Perez says:
    March 30, 2020 at 8:37 am

    Very well said. I agree on all the concerns raised and the action that need to be done.

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  12. Jember Almojuela says:
    March 30, 2020 at 8:38 am

    Thanks for this. Sometimes I’m tired explaining the evidence to any atheist because their mind is full of foolishness and hatred in Christianity. Sometimes we need to rest and think again after.

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  13. Vivian Baisac says:
    March 30, 2020 at 8:39 am

    We can only share the gospel in love, the transformation is the work of the Holy Spirit. We can never force people to believe what we share to them. We leave that to the Holy Spirit. Its His work to convict and change hearts. Ours is only to share the gospel.

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  14. Maurice Odiwa says:
    March 30, 2020 at 8:50 am

    But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, ( 1 Peter 3:15)

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  15. John Campbell says:
    March 30, 2020 at 8:54 am

    It is hearing the GOSPEL, which is the POWER of God that leads one to salvation..not clever words and arguments..if the bible itself is not recognized as ones source of authority than there is nothing one can do for someone hell bent on ultimate destruction.

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  16. W Lamar Prioleau says:
    March 30, 2020 at 9:00 am

    Very. Well. said.

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  17. Rene Chantraine says:
    March 30, 2020 at 9:04 am

    And remember what Paul in Romans 1:16 that the Gospel is the power for everyone who believes! We need to present that power that can change and transform the lives of peoples!

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  18. David Popiden says:
    March 30, 2020 at 9:09 am

    This applies more or less the same on the flip side. Belief in God can be argued for with logic and evidence but very rarely that’s how one arrives at that position. It’s the defense for the belief already held prior to any rational justification. Further, arguing with just about anyone to try and change their mind about a closely held belief tends to cause them to dig their heels in rather than admit they were wrong.

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  19. Moon River says:
    March 30, 2020 at 9:14 am

    If We Love Our Neighbor Tell Them The Truth As It Is In Jesus Christ.

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  20. Phil Sheridan says:
    March 30, 2020 at 9:17 am

    You don’t realize you just did what you are accusing others of and the word is hypocrisy!

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  21. Caleb Jackson says:
    March 30, 2020 at 9:45 am

    I agree with what you said.

    But to be fair, we are called to give a reason for our faith and defend it according to 1 Peter 3:15

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  22. Zach Payne says:
    March 30, 2020 at 9:47 am

    Great words!

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  23. Gary Taylor says:
    March 30, 2020 at 9:59 am
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  24. Anna Dekan says:
    March 30, 2020 at 10:04 am

    Thanks for the reminder.❤️

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  25. Noble Amandah says:
    March 30, 2020 at 10:26 am

    Ok, still learning

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  26. Jerry Spencer says:
    March 30, 2020 at 11:08 am

    The problem I have with this is a Muslim or a Mormon or Hindu could say the same thing.

    What if you are actually wrong, how would you know?

    What if the Bible is merely a human product?

    What if God is just a human creation?

    You lock your self in to something that may not actually be true.

    And there is no way out.

    1 Peter 3:15+16.

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  27. Deborah Susan Jurgensen says:
    March 30, 2020 at 11:32 am

    I really like what you said. I think it’s true, Christians can get defense and try to convince people who are just trying to mess with them. Thank you for your message.

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  28. Aaron Relyea says:
    March 30, 2020 at 11:40 am

    Titus 3:9

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  29. Gary Rivera says:
    March 30, 2020 at 12:33 pm

    We skeptics and atheist making comments on here

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  30. Gary Rivera says:
    March 30, 2020 at 12:38 pm

    We have skeptics and atheist posting comments on what they believe or asking questions. The problem I see is, in answering them many Christians begin to dargur and debate each other on their doctrinal position. I wonder does that look to the atheist or skeptic? Maybe they laugh to themselves and say “look at them and they expect us to believe them.” We should lay all differences aside and stick to the gospel and remember who we’re dealing with.

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  31. Harold Goldman says:
    March 30, 2020 at 12:46 pm

    It intrigues me atheist shoot down all forms of answers and all they got is I don’t know. So we are to look at that as a reasonable answer to reality. So put them side by side and tell me which looks more plausible from nothing came everything or from someone came everything. You can only reason from effect back to cause they reason from effect back to nothing from that comes the word non sense

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  32. Ricky Vinton says:
    March 30, 2020 at 12:46 pm

    It is all about FAITH!

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  33. Ricky Vinton says:
    March 30, 2020 at 12:47 pm

    And if we are wrong we just die but if we are right where does it leave YOU?

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  34. John Eksted says:
    March 30, 2020 at 4:17 pm

    Unless we are using fallacious argument. we are not defeated. The Truth is never defeated, it is rejected. That is not my fault or problem as a Christian. As you said if they reject you just tell them, “Have a nice day.” You can add, ” I hope and pray that your eyes will be open one day.”
    As far as proving the resurrection, besides the historical evidence and signs and wonders being done by the Holy Spirit that follow, it is not possible except God opening their understanding.
    For the Christian God is creator and upholder of all. To me this is self evident. Then again, as a Christian, my eyes have been opened where the world’s have not. Even science demonstrates the truth of the Bible.
    The key is we are to preach with humility and gentleness, as you have said, displaying the fruit of the Spirit. God must do the rest.

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  35. Jan Cox says:
    March 30, 2020 at 4:21 pm

    Remember Jesus didn’t convince everyone. The Holy Spirit must work on a person’s heart. It is not up to you. You are called to be a witness and preach the Gospel, but it is up to the Holy Spirit to do the work. Remember to do everything with love. We are not to try to win an argument.

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  36. Bob Jones says:
    March 30, 2020 at 5:57 pm

    Maybe we are disappointed in you

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  37. Rex Ivan Loreto says:
    March 30, 2020 at 8:24 pm

    Thanks for a sober reason the quest of Truth in the world is never ends but a true Christian the sufficiency of Truth is only and one is Christ and His word

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  38. Ricky Vinton says:
    March 30, 2020 at 8:44 pm

    Take a Look at 2nd Tim 3:16-17

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  39. Nick Shara says:
    March 30, 2020 at 9:58 pm

    Why don’t you just leave the page then??

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  40. Laura Naldi Storm says:
    March 30, 2020 at 11:11 pm

    Well stated.

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  41. Daron Maxwell says:
    March 31, 2020 at 6:32 am

    Amen…Thanks.

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  42. Anna Tokar-Mulett says:
    March 31, 2020 at 8:48 am
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  43. Paul Swan says:
    March 31, 2020 at 12:18 pm

    2 Timothy 2:23 (KJV) But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

    2 Timothy 2:23 (NKJV) But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife.

    2 Timothy 2:23 (NASB) But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels.

    2 Timothy 2:23 (POINT) But refuse questions of the moronic and unreared, perceiving that they generate quarrels.

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  44. Daniel Tymchuk says:
    March 31, 2020 at 12:25 pm

    Excellent comment and insight.
    If not for the resurrection of Christ, I would not be a Christian. I wouldn’t be religious, or anything…

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  45. Grace David says:
    March 31, 2020 at 3:37 pm

    State your case then rest. Only God can raise the dead.

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  46. Margaret Stevens says:
    April 1, 2020 at 8:52 am

    In Isiah. My thoughts are not your thoughts. As high as the heavens are above the earth so are my ways higher than yours.
    Also a very that says it’s up to god to conceal a matter. Doesn’t the Holy Spirit woo is to Christ?

    It takes faith

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  47. Toni Armstrong says:
    April 4, 2020 at 1:21 pm

    We must all work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. Those who are the Lord’s hear his voice We aren’t to know who is chosen and who is not We are to let our light shine and have an answer when asked what is the hope in you. No one really knows if God is real or not until they are born again

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  48. Markus Ramchiary says:
    April 5, 2020 at 3:35 am

    What you said is defence. Many are of offence.

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  49. Bruce Venable says:
    April 5, 2020 at 11:00 pm

    Totally agree, people like Matthew Kennedy or only on here to waste your time and provoke you. He is a troll, don’t waste your time on him he’s only toying with you.

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  50. Susan Carolyn says:
    April 6, 2020 at 6:38 am

    Thanks so much brother/ sister unreadable name! (sorry ?) Very well put and I’m going to share your post if you don’t mind.

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