I’ve often gotten into conversations with people who believe female…

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1. Bob Jones says:

   May 15, 2020 at 6:44 pm

   The Bible says that for ma person to be a pastor he has to be the husband of one wife so then how can a woman be the husband of one wife

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2. Jeremy Bickel says:

   May 15, 2020 at 6:59 pm

   This issue isn’t arbitrary. It goes back to God’s order of authority. However, in Christ there is neither male or female. Paul explicitly did not allow it, or even a woman to speak (although the contextual background has it that the wives were interrupting the service there in Corinth to ask their husbands what things meant). In marriage, the husband is head, regardless of the fact that in Christ there is neither male or female, because the marriage is a defined relationship. Husbands have specific roles (love the wife in the way Christ loved the Church and gave Himself for it, sanctifying her like Christ sanctifies the Church by God’s Word), and wives have specific roles (submit to the husband in the same way that we submit to each other and that the Church submits to Christ) (Ephesians 5:21-29). Now, if a married woman preaches and her husband is in the congregation, she could not fulfill this, but if she is unmarried or her husband is dead and she has dedicated herself to Master Jesus, then I cogitate from all of this she can). But don’t be hasty or just adopt more rules …consider everything together in Christ and obey your conscience to edification of the whole body! (PLEASE).

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3. Jesse Lazar says:

   May 15, 2020 at 8:00 pm

   There is nothing in the Bible that prohibits women from being pastors or preaching. The entire verse is based on a few proof-texts taken out of context and ignoring the nuanced meaning of the original Greek words. The subordination of women to men (both in the church and the family) was based primarily on the cultural and legal customs of the Romans, which in turn were based on the teachings of Greek philosophers such as Aristotle who fully believed women were inferior beings. Paul’s writings were actually very liberating for women, but as the Gospel was taken to the Gentiles, in the centuries after the original apostles, the ideas of Greek philosophy creeped in and influenced the church. Now, centuries later, we still have popular teachers and authors perpetuating the thinly-supported idea that women are unfit for certain roles based on nothing but their gender, never realizing that this is not actually what the Bible teaches.

   If you’re truly interested, there’s a great book on this topic!

   https://www.amazon.com/What-Paul-Really-About-Women/dp/B01LTHXIN8

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4. Jo Kothenbeutel says:

   May 15, 2020 at 8:18 pm

   To believe women are allowed to be pastors you have to twist Bible verses out of their actual meanings.

   https://biblereasons.com/women-pastors/

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5. James Gore says:

   May 15, 2020 at 11:22 pm

   I think we go back to the original texts end methods. So all pastors should be announced by a person who was announced by someone who can trace their original trainings back to one of the 12 disciples or Paul. Because as we see in the Bible only those blessed and sent out by the disciples or Paul could spread the true gospel

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6. Ricky Fuller says:

   May 16, 2020 at 12:13 am

   I was recently convinced that a woman in authority/pastor was spoken against as in 1 Timothy 2. Then I came across this. Draw your own conclusions.

   Imagine if I said to you that the Bible approves of slavery, dropping Colossians 3 and Ephesians 6 as “proof.” Or what if I said the Bible teaches us to hate everyone in our families in Luke 14:26. Would you not immediately protest that these verses must be considered in the context of the culture and of the whole Bible? Certainly some have interpreted them in the most simplistic way, the “plain reading,” but I hope you would recognize that this would be incorrect. You would know that these verses require careful study to understand correctly.

   Why, then, are so many unwilling to do the same sort of study when it comes to the issue of women preachers? Instead, it is simply asserted that the plain reading MUST be correct and anyone who disagrees with that specific interpretation doesn’t believe the Bible. No, I say anyone who thinks God has forbidden half of the members of His kingdom from preaching form a pulpit based on nothing but their gender do not understand the Bible.

   The fact that Eve was made from Adam implies nothing about who should preach. This is merely read into the text. The same goes for Eve being deceived first. Does this mean ALL women are more easily decieved? IT doesn’t say anything like this. And, of course, if Adam wasn’t deceived, it means he sinned deliberately, and how does that qualify him as a better pastor?

   To say that men and women have “equality”, but women are barred from certain roles simply because they’re women, is ENTIRELY contradictory. You can’t have both.

   Genesis 3:16 teaches that man ruling over woman was apart of the CURSE and the OPPOSITE of God’s original design, and yet some people try to claim it as some sort of divine mandate for male-rule.

   Preaching is never given as men’s responsibility in the Bible. Men are never given authority on the basis of being men. This is all concluded outside of the Bible and read back into it. There is nothing in the Genesis account about Eve “stepping out of her role” by eating the fruit. Are you saying women’s role is to ask her husband every time she wants to eat fruit? The idea of “usurping” Adam’s authority is made up. It is NOT in the text at all.

   The idea that there are these restrictions on women simply because they’re women did not come from the Bible. In fact, Paul’s words, when correctly understood, fight against these types of ideas and urge true equality for women. These restrictions are based on Greek philosophy (such as Aristotle, who thought women were lesser beings), and the social and legal customs of 1st century Rome. THAT is what those who push these ideas are upholding. Not the Bible.

   I encourage everyone to study this further before trying to exclude women from ministry on hearsay. One great book is “What Paul Really Said about Women by John Bristow.

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7. Seth Iris says:

   May 16, 2020 at 5:25 am

   I think 1 corinthians 14:34 have answered this.

   Though it seems to be an attack to women but its not. Its just that God is obligating men to stand up as leaders at church. But it didnt say that women should be silent outside of the church. Like Deborah preached isrealites, women should too. Deborah wasnt a pastor but a prophetess.
   Women, dont think that God is mad or belittling women. Its just that God is appointing men of their responsibility and women have their own responsibility too. Its part of the curse to Adam.
   God bless.

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8. Grace Williams says:

   May 16, 2020 at 8:45 am

   It is NOT okay.

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9. Simon Yew says:

   May 16, 2020 at 11:08 am

   Remember the garden of Eden where Eve was tempted. God told Adam to take care of Eve. There was a reason for that because women tends to be deceived easily than men. This is why Paul state what he state. When women pastor leading the congregation, they may introduce certain teaching that allow Satan to compromised the church. We are seeing that in some of the church and it further fracture the body of Christ. Some wants to introduce homosexual pastor to lead. This is just further Satan plot to destroy the church.

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10. Joseph Cuevas says:

    May 16, 2020 at 11:59 am

    Women can be prophetess, evangelist,teacher, and can be a leader in every ministry of a healthy church, except becoming a pastor. The reason can be found in the scripture, beginning at the history of mankind. Woman was created to help man, she was mischievous and easily decieved, made subject to man and though giving birth would always put her life on the brink of death, she was made to cling to her husband. God have decreed that it is from the seed of a man that a chosen nation will come forth. A man have lead a nation out of bondage. Jesus never selected a woman to be one of His disciples, but honors His mother by placing her under the care of His disciple.

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11. Carter Keller says:

    May 16, 2020 at 5:04 pm

    Very interesting question. When we understand that God’s beautiful and perfect design has the male be the shepherd of his family, then the question I would ask in a church with a female pastor is why the shepherd of the home is not the shepherd of the church. The family of God is made of families. Men are going to be the ones God holds accountable for the overall spiritual health of the home, this extends to the leadership position of the church. Women are called to help the men, not be in charge of the men, because they are told to submit to their husbands in the same loving way as the church submits to Christ. Men are called to love their wives the same way Christ loved the church. Therefore, the pastors of a church should be men who are serving God, leading in their household out of love, and who will be held accountable for the overall spiritual health of the flock under their care. Women can teach, have careers, and maybe even deacons I don’t know as much on that. The only two things women are not permitted is Pastor and head of household. None of this is patriarchal tyranny or sexism. All of this is driven by a perfect God who is love Himself.

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12. JoAnne Harris says:

    May 16, 2020 at 6:58 pm

    No women as leaders in the church…can teach other women or children, can lead bible studies for same…no women or gay in the pulpit…

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13. Vivian Clark says:

    May 17, 2020 at 1:21 am

    Everything in order…please…
    disorder is from Satan. Christian stop dividing….

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