What do you folks think of the charismatic movement? How valid would it be without the fog, glitter, babbling, feathers, music, and emotionalism or am I deluded?
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All of the apostles were charismatic and so it was the church of Corinth. I am very much charismatic without the glitter, the feathers, and emotionalism, but I have an advantage over the fake ones. I do really hear from God.
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That’s just Bethel and Hillsong I’d classify them as hyper charismatic
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There are some true Christians among the charismatics, but the theology tends to come from bad and unfaithful studies of the Bible.
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The Charismatic Movement, in my opinion, has created a group of professing “Christians” that rely on signs, wonders, emotions, and miracles to verify their faith, which ultimately means they have none.
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Seems to me that the many I have seen tend to only emphasise the good parts of Christianity, such as miracles and healing, but do not teach the harder things like taking up your cross, or the cost of disobedience.
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It is a false Christianity
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The charismatic movement has nothing to do with those things you mentioned why are you mixing them as if they’re synonymous.. they’re not not even close
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Unless you have been involved with a charismatic church or have some firsthand knowledge of how they operate and what they actually teach perhaps we shouldn’t be quick to be so judgmental.
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It’s doubt looking for proof. It’s offensive to the Holy Spirit. It’s self centered, not God centered. It’s not caring what the scriptures say. This is why the overwhelming bulk of false teachers flows from the Charismatic movement. Avoid that hoo baba kanda nonsense.
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Rod saunders of Jew and Greek is a charismatic apologist. Check out the vids he has answering Ceasationists
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?♀️ There’s no scriptural or historic proof for cessationism. Are there excesses in every stream? To be sure. But God still speaks and acts, he never changes
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If you’re genuinely curious or looking for a thorough response on this topic, this is probably the wrong group.
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John was rebuked by Jesus when he wanted others rebuked for not following the path John thought they should.
Charismatic (most) teach/preach the Gospel of Christ. Therefore, not false information as to salvation. This classification has grown where branches/offshoots confuse the origins. L&P -
And I question the “Legalistic” group of believers..
You guy’s should read into “Case for miracles” by Lee Strobel. -
I think the core charismatic belief of practicing the gifts of the Holy Spirit is scripturally valid.
I recognize that some visual aspects of large charismatic churches can cause emotionalism. However, I’ve experienced very conservative Charismatic churches without the “fog, glitter, babbling, feathers, music, and emotionalism” that have experienced miracles through the gifts of the Spirit.
Therefore, I view the Charismatic Movement as a Christ-centered revival while still recognizing that it has its imperfections (i.e. emotionalism), like anything in this fallen world. -
Any time a good move comes around the enemy sends a counterfeit. Some took that good move and perverted it. It use to be if you sin, God will smash you. Enter the charismatic, God is so loving all is ok.
Mercy and righteous were locked in the Holy of holies, when christ paid the price, truth and peace got together. Psalms 85:10
The word of faith movement came out from the charismatic movement. What they are trying to do is make God your servant by manipulating the word to get whatsoever you want -
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
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The stuff you describe is maybe 20% of all of the charismatic movement. Most are reasonable, grounded and have pastoral oversight consistent with keeping things in order. It is not fair to judge a movement by its extremes. Some of my greatest blessings in my Christian life has been in charismatic church settings.
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I recommend the book, Charismatic Chaos by John MacArthur.
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First of all, don’t generalize. Associating all charismatic Christians with fog and feathers is like saying all baptists are bible thumpers. There are fringes of every church movement. As for what charismatics call speaking in tongues, you could argue that what they are doing isn’t tongue’s if you want, but you can’t say tongues aren’t one of the gifts. If you think the gifts were only for the apostles, i think that’s pretty sad. We serve a supernatural God who demonstrates signs and wonders.
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Don’t limit God ?
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It’s a heresy….
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I have been a Charismatic for over twenty years without all those things what really matters is salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. I have seen so many good Christians across both sides of these theological devides.
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I think certain charismatic emphases and practices are helpful and beneficial, but the wider movement is very dangerous. Several of my friends had their Christian faith destroyed in their youth by contact with Bethel and other charismatic teachings that turned out to be empty, and let them down in their time of need. And the concept of a church with a modern day ‘Apostle’ is a very short stone’s throw from becoming a cult.
This is part of what drove me to double down on reading early church history – our aim as Christians is to follow Jesus and to practice faith as it was taught to us by Jesus and the Apostles. Anybody can debate what a verse means, and so I wanted to know how the earliest recipients understood these things.
When I realised that there was very little emphasis on charismatic practises in the early church, and certainly no ongoing expectation of ‘Apostles’ or ‘Prophets’, it solidified for me what the NT was teaching and how our earliest generations of siblings understood these types of verses.
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The term Charismatic is a very broad as is the term baptist – you will find extremes in both, good and bad in both. The problem is the extreme camps of the Charismatic denomination are the ones usually highlighted. I think that it’s right to have concerns but be careful not to judge the many by the few
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This might be very helpful to you 🙂 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkSTSRyVbNY
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All of us need to be very careful that we are the followers of Christ, not of theological systems. I have seen people argue for their camp to a point of questioning or rejecting the Bible when it seems to disagree. For instance, I am Charismatic, I attend Assemblies of God. According to its theology, salvation is not eternally secure – work to stay saved. But I personally disagree – Biblically, salvation is eternally secure. In the same manner, I have seen many “ceasationists” who reject the Bible to believing that spiritual gifts ceased. And Spurgeon often speaks of hypercalvinists in his writings , who abuse the doctrine of God’s Sovereignty by refusing to urge sinners to come in. How I pray that we could be disciples of Christ who spend more time in the Word than refining loyalty to a particular camp.
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What would the apostles think about the circus going on in many churches after they gave their life for spreading of the Gospel?
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There has been no evidence of faith healing, and the biblical speaking In tongues since the 1st century church.
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Feathers!?!?
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Another man made movement. Ist Timothy 4:3
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Be careful about terminology. Charismatic is a derogatory term
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The Lord was full charismatic and so where His apostles. I am charismatic and I don’t pay much attention to pastors or leaders who ignore me just because they are stuck in cessationism and their additional doctrines that make God look like He went on vacation for the last 1,900 years. For the dispensationalist, God is a god of the future. For the cessationist, God is a god of the past. Where are you my friend?
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Well, Christians are not a “monolithic group.” But the question remain is the Charismatic movement scriptural? We know that since the creation of mankind Satan’s has attempting to put a veil between God children and God’s inerrant Word, thereby raising doubt as to the authority and authenticity of what God had said. We have seen a growing menace of demonic activity in the realm of the miraculous. Where Satan does not succeed in taking the Scripture from us, he works hard at taking us from the Scripture. There is no denying that God performs miracles. Some of what occurs in the Charismatic movement very well may be a true work of the Holy Spirit. However, the core truth is this: the Body of Christ does not need new apostles, nor new faith healers, nor self-styled miracle workers. What the church needs is to return to the Word of God and proclaim the whole counsel of God in the power and love of the Holy Spirit.
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The manifestation of certain of the gifts of the Holy Spirit as outlined in 1 Cor12 are meant for the edification of the church, but not meant to drive the church to the exclusion of all other activities.
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Religion has had many gimmicks over time and will continue to present us with gimmicks, the born-again movement, Prosperity movement Etc, God is not a gimmick, the truth is not a gimmick.
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You answered your own question- you think it’s off its rock.
Personally – I think some pastors within the movement are false teachers just out for the easy money – name it claim it and prosperity gospel types. I think the more moderate and thoughtful charismatics are within orthodox limits.
If your tithe is more important than your soul than you’ve found a false prophet.
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I stay clear away from it.
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The charismatic movement blasphemes the Holy Spirit
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I gives me a headache….i love the peaceful simplicity of a traditional worship….liturgy etc
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Delusional.
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What do you define as the “charismatic movement”?
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It doesn’t matter if the message is delivered by a charismatic or someone else. What matters is the message, as Jesus stated in the gospels:
John said to Him, “Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we tried to prevent him because he was not following us.” But Jesus said, “Do not hinder him, for there is no one who will perform a miracle in My name, and be able soon afterward to speak evil of Me. For he who is not against us is for us.
Mark 9:38-40 NASB
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What you described is not the charismatic movement, which has been around for a century. All these “special effects” are tricks of NAR.
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And my lower back still hurts!
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This is a very good site. I appreciate being a part of it. I found the comments very interesting. Of course some I agreed with and others not at all. As a person who has been involved with the Charismatic Movement for about 47 years (yes I am a senior). The answer is yes. When you strip away all the prosperity, snake handling, name it and claim it etc. bells & whistles, the Charismatic Movement is valid, biblical and well within the pail of orthodoxy.
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Here is my advice??
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What is considered the charismatic church? Spirit filled? I want to know.
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Some ultra charismatic characters seem to be faking….I am speaking as an insider.
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I thought they were fake. I never ever had a problem until last year. I had a very bad attack assault at work. I was the scape goat. I stood up to him in a calm demeanor and called out his harassment.He was a man was constantly bullying ladies and he got upset that I didn’t budge or squirm. After that I fell. I felt defeated. Apparently he had been bullying all the women in the workplace making their lives miserable. I could feel the sin just walking by them. People have told me that they feel Gods presences around me. I never felt a reason to be rude or hurt or angry. Then I fell. His attack came. His demons couldn’t stand me. I felt like the enemy blinded me from praying or even speaking to God for weeks. The only thing that helped me was reading the Bible and I had to search for spell breaking sermons and they helped me! I learned how to take authority in Jesus name that way. Someone has to do the dirty work. Not everyone raised in a perfect little suburban home. There is a real enemy. But God is bigger than that. And I thank God for the charismatic who aren’t scared to help cast demon in Jesus name, By the blood of God
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