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5 years ago • March 13, 2021 • by ourCOG

This is a quote taken from Wikipedia. My question is; Is this a true statement?
If so explain.
If not show scripture.

“The Census of Quirinius was a census of Judea taken by Publius Sulpicius Quirinius, Roman governor of Syria, upon the imposition of direct Roman rule in 6 CE.[1] The Gospel of Luke uses it as the narrative means to establish the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem (Luke 2:1–5), but Luke places the birth within the reign of Herod the Great, who died 9 years earlier.[2][3][4] No satisfactory explanation of the contradiction seems possible,[5] and most scholars think that the author of the gospel made an error.[6]” Wikipedia.

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  1. David Janaro says:
    May 5, 2020 at 2:21 am

    This link will demonstrate the historical evidence for a 2 BC date for the birth of Jesus and that it lines up exactly with what Luke said: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2012/PSCF12-12Nollet.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjoopmSipzpAhW9oHIEHYt4CWQQFjANegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw3929ea_xAmkbAzPvQp9k2Z

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  2. Kathy DeVoss says:
    May 5, 2020 at 2:25 am

    Quirinius was governor of Syria. Herod was king of Judaea. The decree went out from Cesar Augustus

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  3. Andy John says:
    May 5, 2020 at 2:27 am

    Herod died in 4-6BC. The census of Quirinius was in 6AD. Jesus couldn’t have been born during both events clearly. They’re in 2 different decades.

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  4. Ian Hartley says:
    May 5, 2020 at 2:34 am

    Not sure how this works out but with the exception of John who used a Julian calendar the other Gospel writers used the Jewish 360 day calendar which is still in use and starts at 0, creation day 1. The Jewish day starts at sunset and finishes at sunset, 9 am is the 3 rd hour……..

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  5. Andriantsilavo Ravelomanantsoa Heritiana says:
    May 5, 2020 at 2:36 am

    This is from Josh McDowell’s book ‘The new evidence that demands verdict’:

    “we find evidence that Quirinius was governor of Syria around 7 B.c. This assumption is based on an inscription found in Antioch ascribing to Quirinius this post. As a result of this finding, it is now supposed that he was governor twice—once in 7 B.c. and the other time in 6 a.d. (the date ascribed by Josephus).”

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  6. Anil George says:
    May 5, 2020 at 3:57 am

    Anyone can edit Wikipedia…avoid using it as a reliable source

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  7. Cloud Roger says:
    May 5, 2020 at 8:05 am

    I like the arguments. But they are basically wrong on the dates.
    The Bible is true.

    These are the actual scriptures.

    “And it came to pass in those days, [that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus], that all the world should be taxed. 2(And this taxing was first made [when] Cyrenius was governor of Syria.) 3And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city. 4And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, [unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem]; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:) [5To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.] 6 “And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered”. 7And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.” [Luke 2v1-7] kjv Biblehub.com

    Based on the scriptures “to be taxed with Mary his espoused, being great with child” v5, and v6 “And so it was that while they were there the days were accomplished that she should be delivered”.

    There seems to be a gap between the years CE 6 and CE 7.

    See what I’m getting at? In order for Joseph and Mary to be included in the census they would have been in Bethlehem in CE 6. After the census Mary gave birth in CE 7. The time between these two scriptures is dependent on two other prophets; Daniel, and Nehemiah.

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  8. Cloud Roger says:
    May 5, 2020 at 8:31 am

    The question is “How long were they there”.

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  9. Anil George says:
    May 5, 2020 at 8:39 am

    So what’s your point? What are you trying to prove through these secondary issues?

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  10. David Janaro says:
    May 5, 2020 at 9:00 am

    The skeptical view of the Bible distorts the facts to create a contradiction where none exists. Here is a summary of the problems (the link I posted below has a more detailed explanation):
    1. Herod most likely died in 1 BC, not 4 BC. A growing number of 2nd Temple and New Testament scholars are recognizing this. The 4 BC date is basically a best guess informed by late copies of Josephus and incomplete astronomical data.
    2. There was an empire-wide Roman census in 2 BC that is well known, called “Pater Patriae.” It fits well with the details in Luke’s account.
    3. There are good reasons to think Quirinius was governor of Syria at that time, though we don’t have direct evidence.
    4. Luke dates the birth of Christ to the census that took place “while Quirinius was governor over Syria.” This does not fit the AD 6 Census, which was ordered by him. The 2 BC census merely took place while he was governor, as Luke states.
    5. The astronomical data points to a summer 2 BC birth of Christ, which fits perfectly with the timing of the 2 BC census and the descriptions of both Matthew and Luke.
    6. The fact that no Roman census required everyone to go to their ancestral home is not a problem for Luke’s account, because Luke never says that it did. That idea is based on late tradition, not the text.

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  11. Cloud Roger says:
    May 5, 2020 at 1:28 pm

    Anil George
    Whatever I say, these and those like it will always be the response even though Paul says “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works” [2 Tim. 3v16-17].
    So secondary issues as you call them have to be understood before a clear picture emerges.

    Now there are many biblical scholars (and many with much, much more training than I will ever have, even though I studied scripture pretty every day since I was saved in 1986) saying the exact same thing David Janaro and so many like him say. This is not an attack on those scholars/teachers/pastors. It’s a revealing of sorts, that the scripture has always said would be happening once the end of the times were upon us.
    As I mentioned Daniel earlier I did so with the intention of saying most if not all teachers have these scriptures wrong. Because as I often said “These scriptures point to the birth of the Christ in 5 BC” not a seventieth week that ended in the death of Stephen in AD 34. (I used to believe and teach that nonsense as far back as 2002). Or a future 70th week which people believe is the great tribulation even though scripture is clear that AD 66 to AD 73 was the specific and original Jacobs trouble.
    And Nehemiah confirms it. Nehemiah who says the rebuilding of the walls were complete in 52 days, and the streets and the temple rededicated, tithes, and the Sabbath reestablished on the 32nd year of Artaxerxes reign.
    Once understood Daniel, and Nehemiah explain how Quirinius’s census occurred exactly as Luke described it.
    What I am referring to is the unveiling of all scripture and prophecy’s.

    What these important scriptures do is;
    1. reveal who the Antichrist was.
    2. how he and his accomplice attempted to change times and laws.
    3. reveals who the woman on the dragon is.
    4. who the ten horns are.
    5. who the ten crowns on the horns are.
    6. who the seven heads are, including the eighth head.
    7. who 666 is.

    and pretty much anything else you may want to know.

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  12. Cloud Roger says:
    May 5, 2020 at 1:40 pm

    .
    I’m sorry my last comment may have violated a rule on teaching…
    So instead I say Paul said “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works” [2 Tim. 3v16-17].
    How can Luke 2v1-7 be wrong?

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  13. Anil George says:
    May 5, 2020 at 1:59 pm

    Cloud Roger
    The Gospels should also be viewed as eyewitness accounts, where all the Gospel writers wholly agree on the birth, ministry, death and resurrection of Christ which are the primary issues. Whatever information provided along with these, like the ones you’ve mentioned, are just secondary and do not matter, unless your sole purpose to read the Bible is to find errors and contradictions.

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  14. Elijah Spencer says:
    May 5, 2020 at 4:16 pm

    Jake Mills

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  15. Cloud Roger says:
    May 5, 2020 at 10:50 pm

    “Herod died in 4-6BC. The census of Quirinius was in 6AD. Jesus couldn’t have been born during both events clearly. They’re in 2 different decades”. Andy John.

    I would have liked to reply to Andy, but for some reason he chose to leave?
    But, this is the typical response when this question is asked.

    Another view is that the dates are off two separate calendars, which makes sense. But, if you knew scripture, and a little history you could still use the Gregorian calendar to unleash the mystery.

    The “real” answer is a game changer.

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  16. Todd Carpentier says:
    May 5, 2020 at 11:35 pm

    Josephus made a very clear error about what year Herod died – which is the basis for most people’s assumption on when he died. Herod almost certainly died in 1 BC. Jesus would have been born in probably 2 or 3 BC.

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  17. Cloud Roger says:
    May 5, 2020 at 11:48 pm

    Who is following this discussion?

    Look we have all in the information. Right here right now.

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  18. Cloud Roger says:
    May 5, 2020 at 11:53 pm

    I blocked George Anil because he accused me of heresy on more than one occasion. I have no patience for stubbornness.

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  19. Cloud Roger says:
    May 6, 2020 at 12:08 am

    Look. No one on earth has this knowledge. What would you do with it?

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  20. Cloud Roger says:
    May 6, 2020 at 12:16 am

    Unless you are true Son of God, and I’m not sure you are. I’m hesitant to reveal these secrets.
    Please don’t take offense. All true believers are sons, and daughters of God if you do and keep the commandments of Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior.
    I’m very cautious on who I teach.

    Go to my facebook status and follow the link I will put up.

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  21. Simon Yew says:
    May 6, 2020 at 12:23 am

    Here is another perspective from Chinese astronomy which did record the star of Bethlehem around 5 BC. http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1991QJRAS..32..389H

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  22. Elijah Spencer says:
    May 6, 2020 at 5:23 am

    Joey Braverman

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  23. Cloud Roger says:
    May 6, 2020 at 12:58 pm

    “But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased” Daniel 12v4

    “Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand” Daniel 12v10

    These days are here

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  24. Cloud Roger says:
    May 6, 2020 at 12:59 pm

    There are only a few people on the planet who know this.

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