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There are several questions about sin, Satan and Heaven in this clip.
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Haha, I feel sorry for him, Frank is brilliant and has a good grasp of the truth. But this girl is really asking all the hard question’s lol and she’s not giving up until she gets full understanding. Love it
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I consider the origin of the evil that was found in Satan after he was made perfect. I also consider that everything Satan does, he does of himself and was a murderer & a liar from the beginning, being the father of it. I can only come to a conclusion as of yet that God made him as are all things made, inferior to God himself. He knew God’s self-evident and self-proclaimed authority, righteousness, and power as seen in Isaiah 45:5 & yet he was given the capacity to be foolish in his analytical attempt to comprehend within his limited capacities the ignorance of an attempted coup against the almighty. That being self-evident I assume Romans 1:21-22 can be applicable to Satan, but being that he and all things are inferior to God and are under His dominion, his capacity to do such a thing could only exist because of his ability to choose to do so and yet he couldn’t have chosen otherwise. God declares the end from the beginning and his will can not be resisted as we see in Isaiah 46:10 & Romans 9:19-23. Satan’s lack of humility & wisdom in the face of where God placed him in his situation of possessing great splendor and apparently giving him the capacity to nurse vanity within himself as we see in Ezekiel 28:17 is the catalyst God used to reveal His love to His elect in the epic unfolding of our experience in time, hence we were chosen in Christ from the foundation of the world as we see in Revelation 13:8 in order that he would reveal the mystery of godliness as seen in 1 Timothy 3:16 by defeating the unrighteousness which was foreordained by God in the fall of both Satan and man according to his goodwill, in bringing salvation through redemption to his elect and putting to death the power of sin unto condemnation to those who believe. Just as the darkness could not comprehend the light because it is inferior to it, his limited capacity to maintain humility led him to the most egregious mutiny brought on by his weakness to foolishness and arrogance, not being capable of comprehending the eternal power of his adversary because that capacity was never granted to him, as is the case with you and I as we see in 1 Corinthians 13:12. God left the door to sin open when he proclaimed his good and righteous Lordship over all things to his creatures and required their obedience, creating the dichotomy that if good exists, the opposite is by default evil and has also been in concept, established into existence. Obviously, it was all in the good intention of God to make evil known from the beginning so that good could be known to be even greater and bring the awareness of it to his creation to the glory of righteousness unto himself, but in order that his choosing absolve God of any responsibility for the evil that was done, Satan must have self-responsibility which requires the compatibilism of the will of God and the will of his creation which is held accountable, and yet is subordinate to his will. To comprehend how this compatibilism is just, one must probe into the depths of God’s wisdom, which is to know the unknowable as we see in Job 11:7-8. The creature having a true autonomous free will rather than a mere conscious, creaturely will that seeks to do what it would by its nature received as one born into sin or born again who then desires to do the will of God by the power of God, would give him the capacity to change the future, causing God to learn what he didn’t already know. Some would argue that he simply has foreknowledge, but that begs the question, where did he obtain it from? It would make us the rulers of our own destiny and make God the great responder to our autonomous freewill which would contradict Acts 17:26 and Psalm 33:10. If the future is already established, it is bound and not free apart from God’s autonomy which is why he knows what will happen in the future as we see in Isaiah 41:23 and again in Isaiah 46:10. I am forced to think of God leaving the door to sin known and left wide open in the garden of Eden with his decree “but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.” and also allowing Satan into the garden to tempt man, knowing full well what the outcome would be. And so we see the conscious creaturely will obtaining responsibility for its actions that are guided by the autonomous will of God in that “The mind of man plans his way, But the Lord directs his steps.” and “The Lord has made everything for its own purpose, Even the wicked for the day of evil.” We are left to discover that “Many plans are in a man’s heart, But the counsel of the Lord will stand.” Even Satan himself was used as a tool in the outwitting hand of God, who granted him the ability to wound Job in accordance with his limitations, dictated to him by God that he could do anything aside from killing him so that He might bring Job to sin, but God used it and all things being predestined to occur in eternity past to bring glory unto Himself and be magnified in the outcome of the ordeal’s end. Some unto His mercy and others unto wrath in accordance with his eternal decree and federal headship over all of His creation, to do with as he sees fit. And so we are left to consider that what God calls perfect, just might be perfect for what God intends to use it for, considering he said “For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the Lord. “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts.”
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1.We cannot sin in heaven because by choice (Obviously I am not reformed) we have became a new creature in Christ. This means we in heaven are like little Christs because of what He has done for us on the cross. Angels never have the opportunity to become a new creature in Christ by being born again. Yes angels in a sense were “born”. So will we have a free will to sin in heaven. No more than Christ in heaven can sin because we are new creatures who are like Him. We may look like little Christs in heaven but we are merely the mirror reflecting the light.
2. I do not believe the war in Heaven with Satan happened until the birth of Jesus. Read Rev 12:4 again. The description of the child only fits Jesus. The third of heaven fell before mankind story originated in the poem Paradise Lost by John Milton and made its way into the church traditions somehow.
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Let’s define heaven lol
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