Jesus said, “Before Abraham, I am”. Again, how to explain this to a J. W…?
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This is an easy subject.
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You don’t. You explain them how the Watchtower is a false prophet and is attempting to fool you and me into giving them complete control over our lives. How the Watchtower took it upon themselves and declared themselves a “prophet”. This book is the greatest tool to use:
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man, betta leave dem JW’s alone ! They be wildin out. They don’t believe in Jesus as the Messiah ??
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First, show them Exodus 3:14
And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”Then show them Isaiah 44:6
“Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God.”Then show them Isaiah 43:11
“I, even I, am YHWH (Jehovah), And besides Me there is no Savior.”— So, solidify with them that Jehovah God is the only one called “I AM,” called “The First and the Last,” and “the only Savior.” —
Next, ask them to read outloud: Revelation 1:17-18
“And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore.”Then, ask them to read outloud: Titus 1:4
“To Titus, a true son in our common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Savior.”— Review with them that 2 titles reserved for God alone, Savior and First and the Last, are applied to Christ. —
If they say that in the New Testament, Christ is the Savior instead of God, then have them read Titus 3:4 (“God our Savior”).
Finally – read to them the exchange where Jesus says, “Before Abraham was, I AM.”
Their version will say “I was,” but if you pull out the Greek, show them that the phrase is “Ego Eimi,” which is present tense, and can also be compared to the verse John 10:11 where “Ego Eimi” is translated correctly as “I am.”
Then point out that the Jews took it to be a claim of deity and took up stones to stone Him!!!
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Last, you can point out that the name of Christ in Hebrew, YHW’SHWA, Yahushua, means “YHWH our Salvation.” Even His name is a claim to be YHWH.
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Tell them Jesus is God, that it is appointed for EVERY man to die and after this the judgement. Inform them of the historical denial of the Godhood of Christ by their founder.
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They have their own Bible that comes out of the Watchtower Society. That is the only one they read. This could be left out or changed in their Bible.
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Take them to Revelation 1:8. Then ask them who the Alpha and Omega is. Then read with them Revelation 22:13. Then ask again who exactly is the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last. Then read one last passage with them, Revelation 1:17-18. After reading this with them then present this question, so when exactly did the Lord God (or Jehovah God in their translation) die? If you want to go even further you can take them to Revelation 22:13,16. The Bible is clearly identifying Jesus as the Lord God.
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First of.all you convince them of the truth that their Bible has been modified so they can beleive in a lie.
You have to show them the corruption in the book they read because your Bible and the one they read do not say the same things.
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This topic was addressed 3 or so weeks ago.
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Can always begin by asking who they think Jesus is then going to John 1:1
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The first thing you have to do is take their bibles away from them. The watchtower organization made “corrections” to “errors” in the Bible that refuted their theology. Also, the “before Abraham was I AM” statement doesn’t conflict with JW theology. They believe that Jesus (aka Archangel Micheal) was the first thing God (Jehovah) created. Created him before the universe.
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In Genesis it says us make man I think that sums it up right there
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You might have a better shot at witnessing to some younger jw’s but those in the late 40s and older crowd….just pray for them because they exist to teach, not to be taught.
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Here’s the commentary from NWT Study Bible. See if you spot anything:
John 8:58
I have been: The opposing Jews wanted to stone Jesus for claiming that he had “seen Abraham,” although, as they said, Jesus was “not yet 50 years old.” (Joh 8:57) Jesus’ response was to tell them about his prehuman existence as a mighty spirit creature in heaven before Abraham was born. Some claim that this verse identifies Jesus with God. They argue that the Greek expression used here, e·goʹ ei·miʹ (rendered “I am” in some Bibles), is an allusion to the Septuagint rendering of Ex 3:14 and that both verses should be rendered the same way. (See study note on Joh 4:26.) In this context, however, the action expressed by the Greek verb ei·miʹ started “before Abraham came into existence” and was still in progress. It is therefore properly translated “I have been” rather than “I am,” and a number of ancient and modern translations use wording similar to “I have been.” In fact, at Joh 14:9, the same form of the Greek verb ei·miʹ is used to render Jesus’ words: “Even after I have been with you men for such a long time, Philip, have you not come to know me?” Most translations use a similar wording, showing that depending on context there is no valid grammatical objection to rendering ei·miʹ as “have been.” (Other examples of rendering a present tense Greek verb using a present perfect tense verb are found at Lu 2:48; 13:7; 15:29; Joh 15:27; Ac 15:21; 2Co 12:19; 1Jo 3:8.) Also, Jesus’ reasoning recorded at Joh 8:54, 55 shows that he was not trying to portray himself as being the same person as his Father.Marginal References
o Pr 8:22; Joh 1:1; Joh 17:5; Php 2:6, 7; Col 1:15-17
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Jesus was either Lying, and knew He and the Father were Not one, or He was a lunatic, who thought He was the Son of God, but wasn’t, OR <>>>> He was telling the Truth and He is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. I KNOW He was telling the TRUTH. John 1, will explain this in detail. That is my answer, I hope it helps. ???
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They’ll answer by saying he’s telling you how old he is
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proper christology. Jesus is the angel of the Lord in the OT. no one sees the father. all revealings of God in the OT must then be the son.
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u dont.. to them the NWT is superior to the Bible –> Pray for them and keep it movin ouch?
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