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## Fred Hoyle, Georges Lemaître, the Big Bang, Evolution and Boeing Aircraft

Creationists often confuse –

atheism with science,

cosmology with evolution,

and

creationism with Christianity.

They will often attempt to bait both scientists and atheists with simplistic conceptions of the Big Bang, considering it to be both atheistic, “evolutionary” and ridiculous.

As far as “atheistic” goes, it has to be pointed out that one of the first to propose the Big Bang was a theist – a Catholic priest, [Georges Lemaître](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre). It was welcomed by many theists as giving God “something to do”.

The Big Bang, of course, has nothing to do with evolution. It is a cosmological theory, whereas evolution is about how and why the form of living organisms can change over generations. (Anything that falsifies creationism is “evolutionist” according to creationists, whether it is about evolution or not, but that’s another story.)

Before the development of the Big Bang model, the prevailing model of cosmology was the Steady State. A leading proponent of the Steady State was the astronomer, [Fred Hoyle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hoyle). The Steady State hypothesis held that the universe was eternal and unchanging in many respects. Hoyle himself coined the term “Big Bang”, some say as a pejorative term for the competing hypothesis, though Hoyle denied this intention.

The preponderance of evidence eventually led to the rejection of the Steady State and the acceptance of the Big Bang among researchers in the field, both theistic and atheistic. This evidence included Irwin Hubble’s red shift observations, the discovery of the cosmic microwave background radiation, the distribution of young galaxies and quasars throughout the universe.

Hoyle is often described by creationists as being an evolution skeptic. This is incorrect. He had some weird ideas about the origin of life, likening the idea of the natural emergence of the first life-forms to a tornado ripping through a junkyard and assembling a working Boeing aircraft, but he accepted evolution. He also accepted deep time, and contributed to the science of stellar nucleosynthesis (how stars and supernovae convert lighter elements into heavier ones). All these ideas are also incorrectly regarded by creationists as being “evolutionist”.

Some quotes from books by Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe –

“The creationist is a sham religious person who, curiously, has no true sense of religion. In the language of religion, it is the facts we observe in the world around us that must be seen to constitute the words of God. Documents, whether the Bible, Qur’an or those writings that held such force for Velikovsky, are only the words of men. To prefer the words of men to those of God is what one can mean by blasphemy. This, we think, is the instinctive point of view of most scientists who, curiously again, have a deeper understanding of the real nature of religion than have the many who delude themselves into a frenzied belief in the words, often the meaningless words, of men. Indeed, the lesser the meaning, the greater the frenzy, in something like inverse proportion.”
–Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe, Our Place in the Cosmos (1993), p.14

“We are inescapably the result of a long heritage of learning, adaptation, mutation and evolution, the product of a history which predates our birth as a biological species and stretches back over many thousand millennia…. Going further back, we share a common ancestry with our fellow primates; and going still further back, we share a common ancestry with all other living creatures and plants down to the simplest microbe. The further back we go, the greater the difference from external appearances and behavior patterns which we observe today…. Darwin’s theory, which is now accepted without dissent, is the cornerstone of modern biology. Our own links with the simplest forms of microbial life are well-nigh proven.”
–Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe, Lifecloud: The Origin of Life in the Universe (1978), p.15-16Creationists often confuse -atheism with science,cosmology with evolution,andcreationism with Christianity.They will often attempt to bait both scientists and atheists with simplistic conceptions of the Big Bang, considering it to be both atheistic, “evolutionary” and ridiculous.

As far as “atheistic” goes, it has to be pointed out that one of the first to propose the Big Bang was a theist – a Catholic priest, [Georges Lemaître](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre). It was welcomed by many theists as giving God “something to do”.

[https://barryhisblog.blogspot.com/p/fred-hoyle.html](https://barryhisblog.blogspot.com/p/fred-hoyle.html)

Creationists often confuse – atheism with science, cosmology with evolution, and creationism with Christianity. …

Discussion

9 comments

  1. Lawrence Brady says:

    I still present for you God’s Words Please Read it with careful consideration and understanding as much as you have applied yourself to everything else that you have studied. How can you call yourself a man of knowledge and not know about the One Book that you are in this group debating about and trying to deny???

  2. Ian Hartley says:

    I find John Hartnett very interesting not only has he written “Starlight, Time and the New Physics” (2007). “The distance modulus determined from Carmeli’s cosmology fits the accelerating universe data of the high-redshift type Ia supernovae without dark matter”. but is seen here showing how Halton Arps research shows Quasars ejected from a Galaxy have different Redshifts from the Parent Galaxy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXJihMXHpho&t=671s

  3. Brayden Benton says:

    Barry could I recommend a book I think you will love?

  4. Kennedy Ohiaeri says:

    A Jesuit proposed the big bang theory. That’s a MASSIVE Red flag that shouldn’t be ignored.

  5. Johnathon Morris says:

    Theism can still be as false as atheism. The problem with the big bang is that is is proposed that something came out of nothing. It also denies that the Bible is true. There is no gap in the Holy Bible to fit the gap theory. The bibles written that seem to support it are the ones whom translators had a preconceived notion and motive in believing the big bang theory, and the gao theory, and so these documents are not God inspired but man inspired. The Bible is literally true, the laws of logic, the square inverse law, the 2 law of thermodynamics are just some evidences of why the big bang never happened. But there is no need for evidence as all evidence presupposes truth. So if the Bible is wrong, which it ain’t, that God made all things in 6 literal days, than where do you get truth without God?

  6. Johnathon Morris says:

    Remember Catholics aren’t Christian. They believe that Mary, saints, and preists are mediators between God and men, catholism is also idolatry, with the worship and prayer to idols. Just because one foolish person believed in a thing, doesn’t make their belief true. Evolution is false and denies all the laws of the universe and logic.

  7. Caleb Chamberlain says:

    Perhaps it’s a false equivocation, but the term evolution is used of celestial bodies.

    “Our understanding of the genesis and evolution of the universe is one of the great achievements of 20th-century science.”

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-evolution-of-the-universe/

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