If Yeshua was “God in the flesh” why would he say that YHVH “has MADE KNOWN TO ME me the paths of life”? (Acts 2:28)
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In apologetics today a common argument against orthodox Christianity is that if the God of Israel, the God taught in the Shema is
only one then how can Jesus Christ also be God? They will then point to two different texts Deut 6:4 and then to 1 Corinthians 8:6 they will say,” see it clear says Jesus is Lord and not God”. This does appear to be the case to anyone who has no biblical background. With a little context I believe we can answer this question.
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
In ancient times the Jews believed the Name of God, Yahweh, to be so utterly sacred that that they would not speak it or even write it out. However, they still needed to refer to God by His proper Name, so they devised what is called the Tetragrammaton which when transliterated is YHWH. Every place they wished to say Yahweh they would substitute YHWH in its place.
So Deut 6: would read Hear, o Israel: YHWH our God, YHWH is one. Our English bibles have substituted the title LORD in all capital letters for YHWH. So anytime you see LORD in our English bible, the underlying Name is Yahweh.
Before Christ Alexander the Great helped koine Greek to become the common language among most of the known world, and by the time of Christ almost everyone including the Jewish leaders would have predominantly read and spoken Greek. This was possible in part due to the fact that in roughly 285 bc a group of 70 Jewish scholars assembled in Alexandra, Egypt to translate the Hebrew scripture into koine Greek. Almost 300 years before Jesus of Nazareth walked the hills of Galilee the many prophecies of His coming had been verifiably recorded in history in what is called the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Hebrew Tanakh (Old Testament).
When translating the Hebrew to Greek the translators who were Jewish had the same issue with the Name of God, so the used the Greek word Kyrios which means Lord. So every time a Jew would read YHWH in the Septuagint, it would read as Kyrios. This meant that anytime a Jew would read that word Kyrios they would automatically do what they had done their entire lives and mentally replace it with YHWH or Yahweh.
Fast forward to the New Testament and the writers had to have a way to say that the Father and the Son are both God, that they are both of one essence, but not the same in person. Sound difficult? Well God had planned this all from before the foundation of the world, so it wasn’t.
In 1 Cor 8:6 when Paul says, “But to us there is but one Theos (God), the Father”, he has identified the Father as Theos, and to say that Christ is also Theos would be to say that Christ is also the Father which is incorrect and confusing. Paul being a first class scholar knew that Jews would identify Kyrios as YHWH when they read it in his writings because of its use in the Septuagint. So Paul used Theos for the Father and Kyrios for the Son. This made sure that no one would mistake the Father for the Son and vice versa.
With this context we see that when Paul a Jew wrote Kyrios, he meant us to read it as Yahweh. This is evident in his application of O.T. stricture to Christ in Romans 10:13 Paul writes, “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Reading a couple of verses before this gives us context and tells us who Paul is identifying as the Lord that needs to be called on in verse 9, ” That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”
Paul knowing the relationship of YHWH and Kyrios from the Septuagint would never had used Kyrios in Romans 10:13 because he would know that in the Tanakh in the book of Joel it said, ” And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered”
Following clear logic we say that Paul meant for us to see Jesus of Nazareth as the God of Israel YHWH. -
Jesus Christ clearly saw Himself as YHVH
Isaiah 41:4;44:6;48:12
Revelation 1:17;2:8
YHVH is the First and Last correct? Yes
Jesus Christ is the First and Last? Correct
This means Jesus Christ is Jehovah? Correct
Who is the first and last? It can only be Jehovah according to Isaiah 48:12-13
Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.
But Revelation 2:8 says Jesus is the First and the Last
And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
which is correct? Both -
OT looks foward to the cross NT looks back to the cross
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Because you are taking it out of its context
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That is actually a Psalm of David, David said it.
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Doug Mann You believe the bible is true, correct?
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He’s a man. He didn’t know everything. He called God his God. The God in him was God the Father. Remember Numbers 23:19: God is not a man. Think about it. Can God die?
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The Logos never died.
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Common ploy of heretics … Pull out a verse that they can make fit thier heresy … Keep it out of the context of the rest of Scripture
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Stacy TurbevilleYou believe in the bible?
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Because the Son is not the Father.
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He is the eternal, or the Father is I Am or the Holy Spirit is 1 essence, 3 persons.
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Yeshua refers to Him as the Great I Am see Exodus 3:14, this refers to Gods essence so it is appropriate to say the Father, Son, Spirit are all Yaweh, it simply refers to One who is Self-Existent, that is the cause of His existence is found in Himself
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He didn’t. David said it in the Messianic Ps. 16, and Peter quoted him in Acts 2. Context, context, context. And if He DID, it was an experiential “making known” rather than simple omniscience.
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Acts 2:28 it was David’s speaking about Jesus. Yhvh is God. Whether Jesus or the father or the Holy Spirit. Yhvh applies to either of one them
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The Father and the Son are both God, but the Son is not the Father and vise versa.
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Philippians 2:5-11 New King James Version
5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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As fully God and fully man, He “learned in knowledge.” As man He didn’t know many things. The hour of His own coming for example.
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Read the preceding and proceding verses and you will see what verse 28 means.
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Because there are three persons
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Luke the Author of the Book of Acts is quoting a Psalm of King, David that is Messianic.
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Because Jesus was living a human life. He had to LEARN to walk, Math, language and all other things pertaining to human life.
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The Scripture is concerning King David.
For David says concerning Him:
‘I foresaw the Lord always before my face,
For He is at my right hand, that I may not be shaken.
26 Therefore my heart rejoiced, and my tongue was glad;
Moreover my flesh also will rest in hope.
27 For You will not leave my soul in Hades,
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
28 You have made known to me the ways of life;
You will make me full of joy in Your presence.’29 “Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, [i]according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, 31 he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. Acts 2:25-31
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King David. It’s a quote of King David.
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Yahshua is the Son of the Most High Yahuah
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Why does that verse proove Christ wasnt divine? God made known many things to His son. Jesus states His subbordination to God the Father..ie: speaking only His Words and doing His will…Dont you think that is evidence of divinity? No man has claimed that proximity to Gods will..even Moses was shielded from Gods glory on Mt. Sinai, but Christ states he shared that glory with the Father eternally in John 17…the Acts passage goes on to quote Psalms and explain why Christ is not just messiah but also “Lord” like the one conferring that title, the Lord God ( the Father). We must believe this to be saved; otherwise we believe that man accomplised salvation and this is not the Abrahamic God who walked between the torn animals confirming HE (Jesus) would be torn in half to keep the covenant…God in Christ saved us, and not a mere human..that would rob God of His glory.
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Peter was quoting David, not Jesus. Please pay more attention to what you are reading next time.
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That issue has been discussed in the last two thousand years without generating a consensus
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Col:3-1 he sits at the right hand of God.
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Let’s not forget that both Father and Son call each other My God or Yahweh
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Keep reading .. keep following the king .. the Alfa and Omega . He’s the way the light the word
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Jesus was not privy to all of God’s knowledge or plans.
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53 times in the Bible it says Son of God not once does it say God the Son
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God is not/ was not walking around Heaven in a body.
CHRIST is the body in that picture and God was the Spirit.
What He knew came from the spirit that lived In Him.
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It’s a quote from Psalm 16 where David says Jesus revealed this to him. That is, the “Lord” is Jesus, the “Holy One” is Jesus in the flesh, and “I” is David.
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He was quoting David psalm 16: 8-11
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Jesus didn’t say that, David did in his prophetic Psalm. Peter further In that same passage answers your question
David by foreseeing this spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was neither abandoned to Hades , nor did his body experience decay . This Jesus God raised up, and we are all witnesses of it. So then, exalted to the right hand of God, and having received the promise of the Holy Spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you both see and hear. For David did not ascend into heaven, but he himself says, ‘ The Lord said to my Lord, “ Sit at my right hand Therefore let all the house of Israel know beyond a doubt that God has made this Jesus whom you crucified both Lord and Christ.”
Acts 2:31-34, 36 NET
https://bible.com/bible/107/act.2.31-36.NETChrist is Lord…
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Doug Mann, this yet another example of why you should not read a single individual version of the Bible because you will make likely take it out of context.
What is happening in Chapter 2 in the Book of Acts? Peter preaches at Pentecost. What happened as a result? Men from different lands heard Peter in their own language and many were added to the faith! Then what happened? Skeptics said the men were drunk. So what does Peter do next? Peter argued that it was only the third hour of the day (about 9:00 am), and quoted the prophet Joel and King David as a defense.
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In Acts 2:28, Peter is quoting Psalm 16:11. To give some context, the Holy Spirit had just come at Pentecost and the people were accused of being ‘full of wine,’ so Peter stood up and launched into this sermon in which he quoted the Old Testament 3 times, explained why Jesus came, and then ended with an altar call at the end, and a whole bunch of people got saved – 3,000 souls! This verse, Acts 2:28 said ‘made known the paths of life’ because at that time, life was through knowledge of the law, and if your heart was right with God. David knew then that if his heart and soul dwelled upon the Lord, then he would find true life, indeed!
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Watch Creation Magazine Live on the Kenosis
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Acts 2:28 is a quote of David speaking about Jesus.
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Jesus is God the same as you are human. He was born of God as you were born of human. Jesus is God, with all His abilities, knowledge, and attributes.
Seriously though, I don’t think we’ll ever fully understand this until we are transformed. -
There is no “if”
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That’s David speaking, not Jesus. Go back to verse 25 and read the passage in context.
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