All #ourCOG News 5.0
Jesus had a point of creation, there was a point he never existed until his Father brought him into being (brought him forth)
Discussion
51 comments
-
He was the word of God. God’s Spirit. God put His Spirit in a body. A SPECIAL body. A body that had no earthly male DNA because Mary was a virgin.
-
The Logos became flesh, but the Logos always has been eternally existent with the Father.
-
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:1-3, 14 ESVPretty clear that Jesus isn’t a creature but creator.
-
Uh.. No
John 1_1 would disagree with that statement.
You’re trying to understand an infinite being with your finite mind.
Good luck -
Why did Jesus said he’s going back to god with glory he had conclusion you statement is saying Jesus isn’t god so…. are you a JW?
-
Damnedable heresy
-
This post is from Satan !
-
How did you learn that? Just curious. ?
-
John 1:1 in the beginning was the word(Jesus). The word was with god(in the beginning, uncreated). The word WAS God(is God, triune being). Are you JW or mormon?
-
Not according to the Bible http://adam4d.com/john-1-3/
-
The one talking in the burning bush with Moses was Jesus, the angel of the lord is Jesus, the active voice that stood with Abraham when was pleading not to destroy sodom was Jesus.
-
It is really difficult for me to understand this, I don’t think I do because of fact I am not sure. On one hand I believe Jesus is fullness of Deity (Colossians 1/19,20), member of Gods trinity, which implies that he is eternal, Jesus said “before Abraham was I AM” and more in Bible as such, but then He is a SON. How else can be the relation Father-Son understood then Son always coming from father. no matter how “technically” the point is father first then son. I don’t understand it frankly
-
Revelation 22:13 KJV
[13] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
-
Is there anything that BHI get right ever?
-
John 1 disagrees.
-
This position is not stated in the Bible explicitly but it is variously implied. People find it difficult to accept that the thelema or will of God is what always recided in God but that the word or expressed will was spoken into being at God’s side before even he was incarnated on earth. If you say it out loud, 99.9% of the people will call you Jehovah Witness. But the Logos revolution is gradually catching on. I do not totally agree with Arius. But what Constantine and Tertullian and Augustine and their likes created out of Christianity will soon be deconstructed. We are gradually heading back to Peter’s and John’s Jerusalem
-
John 1:1-3 proves you wrong.
The two statements: “All things were created by him” (universal positive) and “without him nothing was created that has been created” (universal negative) prevent Him from being a created being. It is logically impossible for the Logos to be a created being.
ALL things that were created, were created by Him. And you can’t create yourself. Therefore, the Logos is not a create being. That’s why we find that the Logos was already there in the Beginning.
And since the Logos, which was already there, then became flesh, Jesus is the Logos. That is what “Incarnate God” actually means. God became flesh.
Further, Jesus claims to be pre-existent.
And now, Father, glorify me with your very own splendor, The very splendor I had in your presence Before there was a world.
(John 17:5)He claims to have PERSONALLY been with the Father, in a glorified state, prior to the creation of the world.
So there is no way for your statement to be true.
-
That’s heresy!!! Jesus is the Son, second person of Trinity, equal in all attributes with the Father and Holy Spirit existing eternally in perfect union.
Revelation 1:8 (NASB95): I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
-
That is blatantly false
-
The Father, Son and Holy Spirit always were from everlasting to everlasting.
-
That would be rank heresy. Repent. Study, Pray.
-
In John 8:58, Jesus said, “Before Abraham was, I am…”. It is the same phrase that the Lord used in Exodus 3:14 when Moses asked whom he should say sent him to deliver the children of Israel out of Egypt.
-
Um, nope…. may I direct you to John 1 and most of Revelation, for starters.
-
He is the Alpha and Omega
-
Jesus was begotten of Mary…….Prior to this He lived as God the Father….a spirit. After Jesus went to Heaven He came back as the Holy Ghost to live inside the believer
-
You clearly have no understanding of John 1.
-
NO. But as a human He did have a beginning. He was always God in eternity past as a member of the Triune Godhead. He was always God before conception and at conception.
He didn’t become God, but was always God. -
He is the Creator so nothing came into being except by Him.
-
Being “brought forth” is hardly the same thing as being “created”. Learn what words mean before you jump to a conclusion.
-
That’s not true
-
All 3 persons of the Godhead were at the beginning.
-
Wrong. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
-
Are you talking Spiritually or physically?
Christ was the voice walking in the garden of Eden, so when using the word Beget or begotten, one is referencing the physical form, the Son of Man instead of the Spiritual form, Son of God.What is not understood here?
-
Christ always has been & always will be
-
I don’t feel like singing into the ears of decidedly-deaf persons because theirs is worse than those in the deaf category. Or how do I classify someone who decidedly ignores John 1:1-5, 14?
-
Jesus was at creation. God said let us make man which means all three parts and persons of God were at creation.
-
Jesus was the creator of the world. He was from eternity past.
-
False.
-
God is a trinity, from eternity past. Biblical Evidence of this is in Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
-
Scriptural Evidence in the context please. Thank you.
-
A lie from the pit of hell. Jesus is and was and is to come, from everlasting He is God. Only a Cult makes Jesus less than God. Whether you say He was just a man, just a prophet, just an angel, all spawned from the father of all lies.
-
The humanity that the eternal Second Person of the Trinity assumed came into being at His conception, and when the eternal Word became flesh He was named Jesus because He would save His people from their sins. The two natures (God and man) are inseparably one Christ. To address the man Christ Jesus the Son of Man is to address the eternal Son of God.
-
For God to be the Eternal Father…He had to have an Eternal Son.
-
You’re WRONG!!! “The word λογος (who is Jesus) was God θεος “ God/Christ has always existed
-
Lol. Foolishness!!! Demonic doctrine of devils.
-
Written by someone who doesn’t know scripture
-
John 1:1
-
are you a Christian?
if yes, wrong statement because of wrong doctrinal beliefs
if no, then shut up instead of making a wrong senseless statement about Christ Jesus whom you do not know anything.
if you wanna learn, well then learn first to ask the right question to get the right answer. -
The post is utter nonsense. Where did you come up with this crap Yadah Yasharael?
-
[…] Jesus had a point of creation, there was a point… […]
Comments