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Despite popular belief, Micah 5:2 is not a prophecy that the Messiah will be born in Bethlehem.

In the prophetic books of the Old Testament, the Messiah is repeatedly depicted as a ruler like King David and is even called “David” poetically (Jeremiah 30:9, Ezekiel 34:23, Hosea 3:5). Also, the Bible states that David was from Bethlehem (1 Samuel 17:12). That’s why Micah 5:2 says from Bethlehem “shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel…” The Messiah is said to be a descendant of David, therefore technically the Messiah “comes from” Bethlehem in the sense that his lineage started in Bethlehem.

Furthermore, there is evidence in the New Testament itself that Micah 5:2 was not predicting the birthplace of the Messiah. According to the gospel of John (which by the way does not say anything about Jesus being born in Bethlehem), some people in Jerusalem were discussing whether Jesus could be the Messiah: “But we know where this man comes from, and when the Christ appears, no one will know where he comes from.” (John 7:27) So according to John, the Messiah’s place of birth was supposed to be unknown.

I think Randell Helms puts it best in his book Gospel Fictions: “Only Christians have traditionally read this passage in Micah as a prediction of a future birthplace rather than as a description of the origins of the Davidic dynasty; we do not see multitudes of Jewish faithful eagerly eyeing the village of Bethlehem for the birth of the Messiah…” (pg. 85-86)

Discussion

33 comments

  1. Arthur Adam Haglund says:

    Wrong. David, long dead cannot be used with a future tense verb there

  2. Toni Armstrong says:

    No one but God has his goings on since everlasting

  3. Jeff Adolphson says:

    Really? It plainly points out His Origin is from antiquity, from eternity. That’s talking about the Messiahs origins from the descent of David.
    Take your garbage & git our of here.

  4. Jo Jo says:

    Wasnt Micah written between 700-600 BC? And the Psalms of David were like 1500-1000 BC?

  5. Onder Van Der Merve says:

    “No one will know when he comes” is not according to John but according to the unbelieving Jews.

    Jesus was BORN in Bethlehem as predicted by Micah and this is not difficult to understand because it is thoroughly biblical.

  6. Bryan Fletcher says:

    Oh Stephens back. The ones you speak of in John were the willfully ignorant of the times, much like today’s atheists. If you would read just 15 verses later, in John 7:42 it says they knew Messiah was supposed to come from the ‘town of Bethlehem’

  7. Johny Goodwin says:

    4 and assembling all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he inquired of them where the Christ was to be born. 5 They told him, “In Bethlehem of Judea, for so it is written by the prophet: 6 “‘And you, O Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are by no means least among the rulers of Judah; for from you shall come a ruler who will shepherd my people Israel.'” (Matthew 2:4-6, ESV)

  8. Johny Goodwin says:

    Matthew, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit applies it to Christ

  9. Jimmi Hendricks says:

    Respectfully speaking. I see your heart. It’s angry.

  10. Tom Dicintio says:

    An angry heart does the opposite of a merry heart…..wouldnt you think.

  11. Chris Arevalo says:

    Matthew 2:4 referenced that passage and specifically said, “he inquired of them where the Christ was to be born.”

  12. Toni Armstrong says:

    Micah 5:2
    [2]But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

    No human can be described like that

  13. Olivaire Watler says:

    “In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. 2 This was the first registration when Quirinius was governor of Syria. 3 And all went to be registered, ***each to his own town. 4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the town of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, 5 to be registered with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child***.”

    Luke 2:1

  14. Thembinkosi Mkhonto says:

    “according to Jews the Messiah’s place of birth was supposed to be unknown” ❌
    “We do not see multitudes of Jews eargerly eyeitthe village of Bethlehem for the birth of the Messiah” ❌

    Here’s why Matthew 2:3-5 “when Herod the king had heard this things, he was troubled and all Jerusalem with him.
    4 and when he had gathered all chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them were Christ should be born
    5 and they said unto him, in Bethlehem of Judaea for thus it is written by the prophet

  15. Mark Jones says:

    I get the impression from Stephen’s posts that there is an air of desperation to prove that Jesus is not God. I do have to say though that manipulating scripture to get there isn’t the best course of action.

    Using John to prove your point that Jesus wasn’t born in Bethlehem is quite bad actually as it ignores Matthew and Luke which both show that He was. That’s a problem for your argument here. If you want to claim that Jesus wasn’t born in Bethlehem you need to refute the scriptures that say that He was.

    This short article may be helpful to you in this area.

    https://jewsforjesus.org/jewish-resources/messianic-prophecy/the-messiah-would-be-born-in-bethlehem/

  16. Judy Villania says:

    oh really! hahaha. is that a result of your careful and unbias studies of the Bible or an idea from another ignorant person?

  17. Julian CK Liew says:

    The Jewish Sages reply

    The Targum Yonatan: First Century BC
    “And you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah …, from you shall come forth from Me the Messiah to exercise dominion over Israel.”

    Midrash Rabbah: First and Second Century
    In typical Jewish literary style, the following story, known as a Midrash, was written to illustrate significant Jewish beliefs.

    It confirms for Israel that when disaster strikes, deliverance is not far behind and that even the foreigner knew the Comforter would come from Bethlehem.

    “The following story supports what R. Judan said in the name of R. Aibu: It happened that a man was ploughing, when one of his oxen lowed. An Arab passed by and asked, ‘What are you?’
    He answered, ‘I am a Jew.’
    He said to him, ‘Unharness your ox and untie your plough’ [as a mark of mourning].
    ‘Why? ‘ he asked.
    ‘Because the Temple of the Jews is destroyed.’ He inquired,
    ‘From where do you know this?’
    He answered, ‘I know it from the lowing of your ox.’
    While he was conversing with him, the ox lowed again.
    The Arab said to him, ‘Harness your ox and tie up your plough, because the deliverer of the Jews is born.’
    ‘What is his name?’ he asked;
    and he answered, ‘His name is “Comforter”.’
    ‘What is his father’s name?’
    He answered, ‘Hezekiah.’
    ‘Where do they live?’
    He answered, ‘In Birath Arba in Bethlehem of Judah.’” (Midrash Rabbah, Lamentations 1:51)

    Rabbi David Kimhi (AD 1160–1235), known by the acronym RaDaK, was a medieval rabbi, biblical commentator, philosopher, and grammarian.

    He also tied Bethlehem to David, believing that the Messiah would come from David’s seed, who was from Bethlehem:

    “He [Micah] called it ‘Ephrathah’ to make clear which Bethlehem he was talking about, . . . ‘from you shall come forth from me a Judge to be ruler in Israel.’ And this is the King Messiah, and the interpretation is that you will be counted among the cities of the thousands of Judah. You are young compared to them, but even so, from you will go forth for me the Messiah, for he shall be from the seed of David, who was from Beit Lehem.” (Mekra’ot Gadolot, Radak’s commentary on Micah)

  18. Nikki Sheppick says:

    Beware the teachings of those who expect you to “think” something when it is not true …. be as the Bereans and go to the Holy Scriptures to make sure it is true, before believing anything …. for in the Book of John: 42 “Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was? – this teaching was well known that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. – https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/John/7/type/kjv/parallel and further, study so that no one can lead you astray …. for we live in dangerous times …. https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Messiah and: https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-study/topical-studies/how-does-matthew-prove-that-jesus-is-the-messiah.html and: https://biblereasons.com/jesus-is-god/ and: https://bible.org/article/messianic-prophecies and: https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Messiah/

  19. Judy Villania says:

    Jesus loves you (Jn. 3:16) and he wants u to be saved from His coming wrath or great day revenge and punishment to all who ignore Him and mocks Him, (2 Thess. 1:8-9). God bless you.

  20. Richard Spence says:

    Don’t struggle against the Spirit inspired Scripture.
    Truth will prevail no matter how/which way you examine It! L&P

  21. Clarkent S. Zeñaby says:

    “O COME ALL YE FAITHFUL, JOYFUL, AND TRIUMPHANT! O COME YE, O COME YE TO BETHLEHEM!” ???

  22. Andrew Wilson says:

    John 7:42

  23. Jelaya Stewart says:

    There were divisions amongst the people about where Jesus would come from but it’s confirmed by the scripture that it was Bethlehem, I find that you are being willfully ignorant and trying your best to search the scripture so you can prove Christians wrong lol . Classic John7:42
    42 Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?

  24. Carla Miller says:

    Oh pooh

  25. Ernest Young says:

    2000 plus years of scholars and even a jealous king got it wrong, Stephen?

    This ideal was already debunked by Herod’s scribes and priests.

    “Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the east came to Jerusalem, saying, “Where is he who has been born king of the Jews? For we saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.” When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him; and assembling all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he inquired of them where the Christ was to be born. They told him, “In Bethlehem of Judea, for so it is written by the prophet: “‘And you, O Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are by no means least among the rulers of Judah; for from you shall come a ruler who will shepherd my people Israel.’” Then Herod summoned the wise men secretly and ascertained from them what time the star had appeared. And he sent them to Bethlehem, saying, “Go and search diligently for the child, and when you have found him, bring me word, that I too may come and worship him.” After listening to the king, they went on their way. And behold, the star that they had seen when it rose went before them until it came to rest over the place where the child was.”
    ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭2:1-9‬ ‭ESV‬‬

    Clearly Helms nor yourself either skipped this test or just ignore it to make ad hominem claims against Christ.

  26. Christopher Brynestad says:

    I wouldn’t expect the Jews to cling to Bethlehem like Christians do. They do not believe Jesus is the Messiah. Why would they care?

  27. Nikki Sheppick says:

    And, here also, is another one, Jesus Speaking to this: Whose Son is the Christ? (Matthew 22:41-46; Mark 12:35-37)

    41And He said unto them, How say …. they that Christ …. is David’s son? And David himself …. saith in …. the book of Psalms, The LORD said …. unto …. my Lord, Sit thou …. on My right hand, Till …. I make Thine enemies …. Thy footstool. David …. therefore calleth …. Him Lord, …. how is he …. then his (David’s) son?

    Beware of the Scribes – (Mark 12:38-40)

    45 Then in the audience of all the people He said unto His disciples, Beware …. of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts; Which devour widows’ houses, and for a shew …. make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.” – https://biblehub.com/luke/20-41.htm

  28. Casey Powell says:

    I think you’re confused as to the roles of Messiah. Don’t worry it’s a common mistake. Suffering servant first, then the second time Conqueror.

  29. Robin Infante says:

    Good morning!
    I’m very intrigued by what you said. I like that someone, of a different belief (I assume, but apologize if wrong), can intelligently articulate their studied mind and convey it as such. I’m not not saying I agree with you BUT because of how you’ve presented it, it does make me want to study more in depth for myself. That’s exactly what I this group should encourage; more studying ? of the word and less arguing.

    Anyways, you thirst for truth and you will have it. Use God’s word as your main source of facts to prove or disprove other sources. Remember, the books of the Bible are historical. Not one historian, worldy or Christian, that I’ve ever heard, disputes the fact that the bible is based on actual events. Where the disagreement comes in is, again, people BELIEVING certain historical accounts written and transcribed to be true. But, that’s a condition of unbelief. How is it that unbelief can say everything else is accurate, except for the very things of Jesus and what His life represents? Silly.
    Anyways, I’m done. Lol!! Actually, I didn’t even mean to get into all of that. I should have stopped with my initial statement but, seeing as how I’ve already written all of this out, it would be a waste not to share. LOL!!

    Blessings to you!

  30. Wilson Noel Perez Jr. says:

    David was not the Holy One of Israel, the one whose going forth were from everlasting. David was not eternal. Jesus is eternal.

  31. Henry Smith says:

    This is quite a blinkered view of the relationship between the Old and New Testaments, in my view.

    Only through the lens of Christianity can we fully appreciate the depth, symbolism and foreshadowing of the Old Testament.

    The Old Testament has meanings that the Israelites weren’t necessarily aware of. It’s a divinely-inspired text, and God isn’t limited by time or local context.

  32. Brent Roberts says:

    Just because something isn’t a fulfillment of prophecy doesn’t mean it’s not a refulfillment of that prophecy.

  33. Rainier Ray says:

    What a fascinating opinion you have there. So where did this “popular belief” come from? How did the wise men find Jesus again? Who directed them and Herod where the child would be born? Why did they have that opinion?