Genuine question about deliverance.
I grew up in charasmatic church’s and was taught that Christians need deliverance from spirits that can be inside their soul and emotional realm. I’ve met heaps of ministers with so called deliverance ministries also.
Since leaving the charasmatic ive come across other bible teachers saying Christians cannot have demons (because we are sealed with the Holy Spirit) they say if you have a demon you may not really be saved.
I’ve personally experienced a lot of spiritual stuff including receiving and doing deliverances on ppl years ago, But since leaving charismatic (and now approaching study completely differently) I don’t feel this is correct.
I’m confused because both make sense but I can only see scriptures of Jesus and the disciples casting demons out of non believers. I have not felt the need for any deliverance since leaving this stream and have in many ways felt like the renewal of my mind with scripture is what has been delivering me.
Huge topic. Please offer solid scriptural based thoughts where possible as I know many will have had experiences also but that’s not enough for me to know the truth. Thanks
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““Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’”
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When you believe the Holy Spirit himself lives in you and if he is in you by faith no other spirit can move in. Jesus made the point once that if the devils are driven out and the soul has not been swept clean the evil oneswill just move back in which means come to faith in Jesus. The positive drives away the negative, but a vacume sucks the evil back in and his last state is worse than the first.
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We are called to test every spirit , we can be deceived by false spirits
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Thank about it for a moment, two different things cannot occupy the same space at the same time, example , two people cannot stand on the same space at the same time only one at a time. Now the Holy Spirit occupies a believer, so how can another spirit evil one can occupy your space together. That is impossible, the Holy Spirit of God will not allow another spirit occupy that space with him.
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For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
Matthew 24:24 NKJVBeloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.
I John 4:1, 4 NKJVNow the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
I Timothy 4:1 NKJVExperiences can be real but also not of God. The real evidence of where the truth lies is in what you have already stated:
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
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I like to compare reality with scripture. I don’t think scripture covers every topic on end, since the Holy Spirit also teaches us as well, even Jesus said so. I’ve personally seen a born again earnest Christian manifest demons he had a spiritual contract with prior to giving his life to Jesus as he was a spirit medium. And based on some ministers who questioned the demons why are they allowed in the person since the person is a born again Christian, the demons consistently replied they were in the soul, as they were evicted from the spirit man when the Holy Spirit came into residence.
We are not made of 1 part but 3. Body soul and spirit.
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The “deliverance” ministry sounds like it has some scientology influences
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Deliverance Ministry when done right should help you engage with God. What that means is taking inventory of how/when you gave away spiritual authority to the devil through occult practices, intentional disobedience to God or false religion. God can take His Holy Spirit (His presence) from you (listed scriptures below) when you are not intentionally walking with Him. A Christian can become “demonized” by giving away authority to the devil and even eventually demon possessed if they have walked completely outside of God’s will.
“Yet they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit. So he turned and became their enemy and he himself fought against them.” (Isaiah 63:10)
“Now the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.” (1 Samuel 16:14)
“… ‘the terms I commanded your ancestors when I brought them out of Egypt, out of the iron-smelting furnace.’ I said, ‘Obey me and do everything I command you, and you will be my people, and I will be your God.” (Jeremiah 11:4)
King David said: “Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me. Do not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit from me. (Psalm 51:10-11)
This was God’s response to rebellious Israelites : “As soon as he finished saying all this, the ground under them split apart and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them and their households, and all those associated with Korah, together with their possessions.” (Numbers 16)
“Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.” (Matthew 12:30-32) (See also Mark 3:28-29)
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’” (Matthew 7:21-23)
And God spoke all these words: “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. “You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.” (Exodus 20:1-6)
I am a Deliverance Minister and I will happily answer any questions that you may have.
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Who is on the throne?
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This is the covenant that we have with God. If we break covenant, He is not responsible to protect us or provide for us.
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Christians can be oppressed but not possessed.
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A christian cannot be demon possessed but they can be demon influenced and oppressed by demons.
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I’m a proponent of preservation from demons as children of God. We can be tempted like Jesus even but not posessed . 1 john 3:9 and 1 Peter 1:23 would seem to confirm our new birth is permanent if we are truly in Jesus. I also agree with previous comments on our body is Gods temple alone.
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My wife and I had the same journey Jasmine. We are ex charismatics and at one time heavily involved in the deliverance ministry. We both saw undeniable things and now we only trust the Word. Bob Dewaay ‘critical issues’ has a very good article on the subject and like us he had to rethink his spiritual world view and came to the conclusion that he had been in error irrespective of his experiences.
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Christians CAN have demon attachments, just not to the spirit; only to flesh & soul.
Check out D.W. Pastor Barry.
He’s in the healing and deliverance ministry.
Both healing and deliverance along with discipleship must go hand in hand. -
Here’s a link from Pastor Barry that touches specifically on this:
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A Christian can be “demonized,” meaning they are being influenced by demons, but they can’t be fully possessed. A Christian should themselves get rid of whatever demons are messing with them. We have that authority, and until we rebuke and forsake that demon it won’t stop. It’s not for other believers to get rid of them for us. Other believers can educate us and guide us, but the “deliverance” of a Christian isn’t accurate. A Christian is already delivered, and doesn’t need a person to do that. They simply must become aware of the demons they’ve allowed into their lives and run them off through the power of the Spirit.
I recommend finding a copy of The Handbook for Spiritual Warfare by Dr. Ed Murphy. He addresses this by using Scripture.
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A born again believer CANNOT be possessed, but they can be oppressed. The Bible speaks of generational curses, strongholds, etc. Accepting the truth that who the Son sets free is free indeed, along with other Scriptures, give the oppressed believers truth to fight off the enemy of their soul
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My dear beloved sister, that’s a pertinent question. Going by
Galatians 5:1
“Stand firm therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and don’t be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.”.
Indeed we are served once and can still loss our relationship on the table of sin. Fellowship is broken exposing you to all sorts of demonic possession but your place is not lost. In effects, you can always go back to God with a repenting heart and mind and in His mercies, you will regain your place. -
Remember Jasmine that scripture itself The Bible itself States that the church is the pillar and foundation of truth not The Bible.. There was no Bible for the 1st 3 centuries. The Canon of The Bible was only Compiled and Said to be the inspired final version around the year 300 . That compilation was 1st done at the council of Rome by the church. It was the church that gave the world The Bible not the other way around. The Bible itself tells us to hold fast to the written word and traditions that have been passed down to us. It is referring to those traditions captured in the writings of the early church fathers those bishops and presbyters who practiced the faith during the 1st 3 centuries. It would be good for you to know more church history for a better understanding. It might be good for you to read the writings of the early church fathers. Studying church history increases our understanding of the truth And the early roots of the church. Jesus founded a church not a Bible it was the church that gave the world The Bible . Peace be with you +
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