The Trinity (It is my contention that to be a…

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The Trinity

(It is my contention that to be a true Christian one must confess that the Biblical God is a trinitarian God!)

It is certain that no merely speculative theory, and especially none so mysterious and so out of analogy with all other objects of human knowledge as is that of the Trinity, could ever have held such a prominent place and been so emphasized by all of the churches of Christendom as has this doctrine unless its controlling principle were vital. In the nature of the case Antitrinitarianism inevitably leads to a radically different system of religion. Historically the Church

has always refused to recognize as Christians those who rejected the doctrine of the Trinity. Also, historically, every great revival of Christianity down through the ages has been a revival of adhesion to fullest Trinitarianism. It is not too much to say, therefore, that the Trinity is the point on which all Christian ideas and interests focus, at once the beginning and the end of all true insight into Christianity.

Loraine Boettner

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33 comments

Toni Armstrong says:

March 17, 2020 at 5:07 am

Absolutely not. God is One and not a trinity of persons. One Spirit One Lord One Father Jesus Christ

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Cooper Asp says:

March 17, 2020 at 11:05 am

Well yeah, obv. This page only seems to debate issues that were settled by the early church and the first seven ecumenical councils. Why are we revisiting settled theology

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Aguilar Anthony Jesse says:

March 17, 2020 at 11:50 am

Steve Forkin

You know, I see it often, that both “Trinitarians” and those of the “oneness” group, actually believe the same thing, until you yet to the actual term “trinity”. Both groups can come with scriptures that would agree, but the division then lies in the use or definition of “Trinity”. I, for one, have no interest in using the word, nor their definition. I am proud to do my best to stick to what is written, while not adding or taking away. If you hold to trinity, I won’t argue with the scripture you use. I would agree with you, until we come to the definition of the word. You look up the definition, and you will find the words, “3 persons”. That implies a distinction, which is part of the definition too. What disqualifies that “distinction” or separation, is “manifested”. We will glance at 1 Tim. 3:16: “God manifested in the flesh”.

Before I continue, allow me to make this clear, I am not a modalist, nor do I believe in modalism. Again, I stick to what is written. If the word says it, then it is final authority.

So, returning to the word “manifested”. Please, look up both the scripture, and look up the definition. You will find “manifested” has 3 or 4 different definitions, but only one applies, within context. The definition applied is “appeared”. Allow me to elaborate:

God manifested in the flesh, can also he said, God “appeared” in the flesh. Which is appropriate.
Let’s look at a current, real time example:

In your room, it is you, sitting on a chair, and in front of your phone. I decide I would enter your room, while in my INVISIBLE state. You don’t see me come in (because I am invisible), and linger there for a few. Like a creeper lol. Then suddenly, I decide to “manifest”, or in other words, as the definition applies, I decide to “appear”, so that now, you can see me. Let me ask, is the invisible form of me, different or separate, or another person, from the visible me???

Your answer should he a clear no. It is the very same, exact person. THAT is where “trinity” doctrine, and definition, is incorrect, and not proper dissection of word, and not rightly divided. We can both agree that this doctrine, of using “manifested” is appropriate, because in the letter to the Colossians we read, “HE is the IMAGE of the invisible God”. That is saying exactly what 1 Tim 3:16. Then we decide to add how phillip asked Jesus, “show us the father”, and what does Jesus reply? “If you see me, you see the father”.

The word “manifested” disqualifies any “distinction” or “separation” between “Father, son, and Holy Ghost”. Then we learn that “Trinity” is wrong, and the definition is wrong, because it is not appropriate dividing of the scriptures. It was philosophy, and an attempt by men, to “define” God, and to explain him, but the Holy book is all you need, and not philosophy.

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Ikenna Anioji says:

March 17, 2020 at 3:27 pm

The doctrine of the Trinity is the most engaging idea that I’ve ever come across, and it is probably the most profound and appealing concept ever originated by the human mind.

This explains why Christendom has held unto it coveteously and has made it into the unique icon that sets the religion apart from all others quite effortlessly.

But aside from this psycho-social reality, every honest student of the Bible, if they can disconnect with group-think any bit, can tell that while the Father, His Son and His Holy Spirit are identified as unique spiritual personalities, no one else in the Bible is YHWH or “the being who is” except the Father!

This is the Shema that Moses and all Israel and even Jesus himself proclaimed. Many unbiased Hebrew scholars continue to tell us that there is no such inherent sense of composition in the oneness described by the word “echad” used in the Shema in speaking of the God of Israel.

I do no longer enjoy debating the Trinity, because I find that there are a few factors that pose serious challenges to the easy demonstration of the absence of the Trinity doctrine in the scriptures. Most of these factors lie in the field of Textual Criticism.

I strongly believe therefore that soon, some paradigm shifting new discoveries will be made that will lay certain fanatical arguments to rest.

God will do this miracle because many sincere Christians continue to believe in the Trinity doctrine despite the clear verdict of church history or the position of Jesus himself because of some early forgeries and scribal errors that crept into scriptural traditions over the centuries, as well as the liberty at which philosophers have read strange concepts into the scriptures for centuries in the name of theology and church tradition.

I can boldly declare, by the Spirit of prophecy, that God has determined in this age, to finally return Christianity from Rome to Jerusalem. This must of course take place before King Jesus returns, and his return is already at hand!

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Michael Back says:

March 17, 2020 at 3:33 pm

I agree that the Trinitarian doctrine is true.

But strictly speaking, one does not need to confess the Trinity to be a real Christian. One must confess that Jesus is fully and completely God. That is the critical doctrine. HOW that is possible is revealed in scripture, but is not required for salvation.

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Tom Royal says:

March 17, 2020 at 3:39 pm

Amen!Matthew 3:16 is pretty clear in that verse about the Trinity.

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Dale Kitchen says:

March 17, 2020 at 4:20 pm

I picked up a rock, it was round, gray and solid. 3 attributes, 1 Rock. God uses the simple thing in this world to confound the wise. God is an infinite, eternal being. It’s more than plausible that that fact alone could mean He has more than one attribute, still being a simple being with no parts, yet Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We are finite, His Word is truth.

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Fook Haw says:

March 17, 2020 at 4:48 pm

There’s no any Christian who doesn’t accept Jesus as God made flesh.

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Stacy Turbeville says:

March 17, 2020 at 5:00 pm

He’s God made flesh but He’s the One true God we call Father made flesh not an eternal Son. The trinity is a man made doctrine.

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Curt Wlasenko says:

March 17, 2020 at 5:40 pm

Is there any body here that is questioning his or her understanding of doctrine

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Curt Wlasenko says:

March 17, 2020 at 5:42 pm

Wy cant we make up a word like investigative judgement but we can make up the word trinity. Were is the consistency

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Curt Wlasenko says:

March 17, 2020 at 5:45 pm

How can we accept a doctrine that exists only because of The Jesuits. And its counterparts

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Edward Young says:

March 17, 2020 at 6:12 pm

If God is love and a relational being then its plausible that he is triune Being,in him alone unity and diversity converge which confuses mankind,yet changeless and dynamic.but lets admit that its a fact that is beyond our finititude.

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Patrick Yisrael says:

March 17, 2020 at 6:42 pm

I’d like the link

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Alan White says:

March 17, 2020 at 8:02 pm

To reject it you would have to believe that Jesus was not God and that the Spirit of God “the Holy Spirit” is not God!

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Lukas Dohnal says:

March 17, 2020 at 8:55 pm

The trinity is a mystery of Gods ability of being as unity in diversity, Ravi Zacharias said.. I believe just for three years and until few weeks ago I had no understanding of trinity whatsoever, I believe it “only by faith” I don’t claim I understand the trinity now but I can at least comprehend the “sense of it” thanks to probably most unlikely Bible verse I would ever imagine being as revelation in this issue Romans 1/19,20. Paul say that what is known about God He has revealed it in His work, The creation in the context of these two verses. So what is known about God. He is ONE !! One God, the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.. wow I said one God but I named three persons, that’s the mystery isn’t it. In Colossians 2/9 we read that in Jesus the fullness of Deity dwells bodily. FULNES it says. In Romans 1/19,20 we read all we have to know about God He revealing in creation. So God is ONE full in trinity of Father, Son and the Holy Spirit, unity in diversity. Creation= ONE universe full in trinity of time space matter. Cannot have just space and matter without time because when would you put that matter in the space. All three are meaningless without being trinity. Time=ONE time full in trinity of past present future, again impossible to separate them. Space= ONE space full in trinity of high depth length (3D). Matter=ONE Matter full in trinity of solid liquid gas, and it goes on even atoms are like that. ONE atom full in trinity of electrons protons and neutrons. I can see Gods unique imprint in all He created. I mean He claims to Be One full in trinity thousands of years before we understand this physical basics about our universe. I am not comparing our God to some simple stuff, but for me it was a revelation How can God claim to be One yet three. And what the Ravi said is true because we as humans with all our knowledge we are unable to create unity in diversity, we are unable to create simple atoms

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Toni Armstrong says:

March 18, 2020 at 12:56 am

John 1:1-3
[1]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2]The same was in the beginning with God.
[3]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

The logos, God said let there be light and there was light. He spoke his word has gone out from him and became whatever was in his mind.

Isaiah 55:11
[11]So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

So the word by which all things were made is God Our Father The Holy Eternal Spirit.

God is light

John 1:4-9
[4]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[5]And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

1 John 1:1-2,5
[1]That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
[2](For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)
[5]This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Manifested in the Son according to the flesh This is when the Father and Son relationship began and not from all eternity.

Hebrews 1:5-6,8
[5]For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
[6]And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. (Only God should receive worship)
[8]But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

2 Corinthians 5:19
[19]To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

The eternal Spirit/Father came and dwelt as one of us. As a Son/flesh

[6]There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
[7]The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
[8]He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
[9]That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

John 1:10-14
[10]He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
[11]He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
[12]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[13]Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

1 John 3:1-2
[1]Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
[2]Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Colossians 3:4
[4]When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

[14]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 1:19-23
[19]And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
[20]And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.
[21]And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
[22]Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?
[23]He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.

John the Baptist is the fulfillment of the Isaiah prophecy

Isaiah 40:3
[3]The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

John 1:29-30
[29]The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
[30]This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.

No Trinity One God Jesus Christ

Ephesians 4:4-6
[4]There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
[5]One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
[6]One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Isaiah 44:6,24
[6]Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

[24]Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Not three persons but One God manifested in the person Jesus Christ. He is who made all things

He is the first and last

Revelation 2:8
[8]And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

The King of Israel

John 1:49
[49]Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

Our redeemer

Luke 1:68
[68]Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

Jesus is the One true God Our Father the Head and we the body. Praise his name

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Sebastian Darrel Sears says:

March 18, 2020 at 7:44 am

Indeed there are many people that believe in the Trinity, and it is a viewpoint that may or may not be correct:

“And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end.” (2 Nephi 31: 21)

“Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but every thing shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.” (Alma 11: 44)

“And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end.” (Mormon 7: 7)

LDS BoM 2 Nephi 31: 1 – 21 (21)
LDS BoM Alma 11: 1 – 46 (44)
LDS BoM Mormon 7: 1 – 10 (7)

RLDS-CoC BoM 2 Nephi 13: 1 – 32 (31 – 32)
RLDS-CoC BoM Alma 8: 1 – 109 (48 – 109, 104)
RLDS-CoC BoM Mormon 3: 1 – 33 (24 – 33, 29)

I disagree with the doctrine of the Trinity because I hold the view that our Heavenly Father even Jehovah God (Yahweh Elohim Allah), and His only begotten son Jesus Christ Judah (8 B.C. – 33 A.D.), and the Holy Ghost-the Holy Spirit (which is both a personage with no will or mind of it’s own, AND it is an active force) are three (3) separate and distinct beings which are one (1) in both unity, mission, and purpose.
When our Lord and Savior asked his apostles and disciples “Who do you say that I am?”, he never called himself “God the Son” (the second person in the Trinity), nor did the Messiah ever talk about the Trinity in the Holy Scriptures of the Bible ever:

Matthew 16: 1 – 28 (13 – 20)
Mark 8: 1 – 38 (27 – 30)
Luke 9: 1 – 62 (18 – 20)

JST Matthew 16: 1 – 31 (14 – 21)
JST Mark 8: 1 – 44 (28 – 32)
JST Luke 9: 1 – 62 (18 – 21)

Jesus had many opportunities to call himself “God the Son” (the second person in the Trinity) and to talk about the doctrine of the Trinity during his ministry (27 – 34), but he never did so.

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Sebastian Darrel Sears says:

March 18, 2020 at 7:44 am

The defined Trinity!

2 Nephi 31: 1 – 21 (21)
Alma 11: 1 – 46 (44)
Mormon 7: 1 – 10 (7)

For indeed it had been predicted by the prophet Isaiah Judah Tamar (770 B.C. – 680 B.C.) and others (including Nephi) that Jesus Christ Judah (8 B.C. – 33 A.D.) would be called “God”:

Isaiah 9: 1 – 21 (1 – 7, 6)
LDS 2 Nephi 19: 1 – 21 (1 – 7, 6)
RLDS-CoC 2 Nephi 9: 1 – 137 (61 – 81, 61 – 67, 66)

And yet, when our Lord and Savior was praying to his own God, whom was his Holy Father, Jesus stated that his Father was “the only true God”:

John 17: 1 – 26 (1 – 5, 3)
JST John 17: 1 – 26 (1 – 5, 3)

Our Lord did not tell a lie when he said as he prayed: “Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.” (John 17: 3)
Jesus believed that there is no one as good as his Father and he also believed that the Father was greater than he was:

Matthew 19: 16 – 30 (16 – 17)
Mark 10: 17 – 31 (17 – 18)
Luke 18: 18 – 30 (18 – 19)

John 14: 1 – 31 (15 – 31, 28)

And this view corresponds with Jesus correct view that his Heavenly Father even Jehovah God (Yahweh Elohim Allah) was the only true God when he said as he prayed: “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” (JST John 17: 3).

Indeed there are many people that believe in the Trinity:

LDS BoM 2 Nephi 31: 1 – 21 (21)
LDS BoM Alma 11: 1 – 46 (44)
LDS BoM Mormon 7: 1 – 10 (7)

RLDS-CoC BoM 2 Nephi 13: 1 – 32 (31 – 32)
RLDS-CoC BoM Alma 8: 1 – 109 (48 – 109, 104)
RLDS-CoC BoM Mormon 3: 1 – 33 (24 – 33, 29)

I disagree with the Trinity because I hold the view that our Heavenly Father even Jehovah God (Yahweh Elohim Allah), and His only begotten son Jesus Christ Judah (8 B.C. – 33 A.D.), and the Holy Ghost-the Holy Spirit (which is both a personage with no will or mind of it’s own, And an active force) are three separate and distinct beings which are one in both unity, mission, and purpose.
When our Lord and Savior asked his apostles and disciples “Who do you say that I am?”, he never called himself God the Son, nor did the Messiah ever talk about the Trinity in the Holy Scriptures of the Bible ever:

Matthew 16: 1 – 28 (13 – 20)
Mark 8: 1 – 38 (27 – 30)
Luke 9: 1 – 62 (18 – 20)

JST Matthew 16: 1 – 31 (14 – 21)
JST Mark 8: 1 – 44 (28 – 32)
JST Luke 9: 1 – 62 (18 – 21)

Jesus had many opportunities to call himself God the Son and to talk about the Trinity during his ministry (27 – 34), but he never did so.

In the year 31, in Caesarea Philippi (Caesarea Paneas, Neronias), when our Lord and Savior had asked his apostles and disciples “Who do you say that I am?”, his followers gave him some various different answers, but none of them had called Jesus either “God” or “God the Son” at that time. The apostle Simon Peter Bar-Jonah (Simeon, Simōn) (10 B.C. – 67 A.D.) answered by calling Jesus Christ Judah (8 B.C. – A.D.) the Christ and the son of God by stating “You are the Messiah, the son of the living God.” Jesus accepted this answer as being correct and he blessed Peter and made him the first Pope-President of the Church of Christ (31 – ). You will note that in the New Testament of the Holy Scriptures, Jesus had never ever called himself “God” or “God the Son”, and nor did the Messiah ever talk about “the Trinity” in any of the Holy Scriptures of the Bible ever:

Matthew 16: 1 – 28 (13 – 20)
Mark 8: 1 – 38 (27 – 30)
Luke 9: 1 – 62 (18 – 20)

JST Matthew 16: 1 – 31 (14 – 21)
JST Mark 8: 1 – 44 (28 – 32)
JST Luke 9: 1 – 62 (18 – 21)

Jesus had many opportunities to call himself “God the Son” and to also talk about “the Trinity” during his ministry (27 – 34), but the Lord never did so.

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Sebastian Darrel Sears says:

March 18, 2020 at 7:50 am

I do not believe that Jesus is God, nor has Jesus ever stated that those who reject the Deity of Christ are there for not Christians! A Christian is simply someone who worships God through the son of God! A Protestant Christian apologist named Frank Turek stated once: “I’m a non-denominational Christian. I believe that anyone who believes that Jesus died and rose again for their sins is a Christian.” I think he said it best! Jesus Christ and Jehovah God are one in purpose and one in unity, BUT they are two different entities. Jesus Christ Judah (8 B.C. – 33 A.D.) and our Heavenly Father Jehovah God (Yahweh Elohim Allah) are both one in purpose, but they are both not one in entity! Jehovah God is one God (Deuteronomy 6: 1 – 25 (1 – 9, 4)). Could you please show me the scripture that says Yahweh is three persons? Jehovah God stated directly: Deuteronomy 6: 4 – “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one! 5 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.” Even His only begotten son agrees with him: Matthew 22: 1 – 46 (34 – 40, 37), Mark 12: 1 – 44 (28 – 34, 29 – 30), Luke 10: 1 – 42 (25 – 37, 27). Where does Jesus call himself Yahweh or Jehovah? You will note that our Heavenly Father Jehovah God’s name of “Yahweh” can mean “I AM” (“He Is”), “I shall prove to be” (“He shall prove to be”), “I who cause to become” (“He who causes to become”), “I exist” (“He exists”), etcetera. It is a name to can denote “beingness” or “existence” according to Doctor Dale Basil Martin (1954 – ). If His (Jehovah God’s) only begotten son Jesus Christ Judah (8 B.C. – 33 A.D.) uses the name “Yahweh” (“I exist”) (John 8: 1 – 59 (12 – 59)), then our Lord and Savior is merely saying that he existed before the patriarch Abraham (Abram) (1872 B.C. – 1697 B.C.) (Proverbs 8: 1 – 36 (22 – 31)). John 8: 58. Where does Jehovah God call His son God? You will note that our Heavenly Father Jehovah God’s name of “Yahweh” can mean “I AM” (“He Is”), “I shall prove to be” (“He shall prove to be”), “I who cause to become” (“He who causes to become”), “I exist” (“He exists”), etcetera. It is a name to can denote “beingness” or “existence” according to Doctor Dale Basil Martin (1954 – ). If His (Jehovah God’s) only begotten son Jesus Christ Judah (8 B.C. – 33 A.D.) uses the name “Yahweh” (“I exist”) (John 8: 1 – 59 (12 – 59)), then our Lord and Savior is merely saying that he existed before the patriarch Abraham (Abram) (1872 B.C. – 1637 B.C.) (Proverbs 8: 1 – 36 (22 – 31)). If Jesus wanted to say that he was God then the Lord would have said “Before Abraham was, I was the I AM! I was the great Yahweh! I was the great Jehovah! I was God!” BUT NO instead Jesus replied “Before Abraham was, I AM!” or “Before Abraham was, Yahweh (Jehovah)!” (John 8: 1 – 59 (58)) John 8: 58 – Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

In fact, Jesus separated himself from the God of Israel in John 8: 42 – Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. (and Jesus once again separates himself from the God of the Jews in John 8: 54 – Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your and our God.)

So, are not both the apostle Paul (Saul Benjamin) (3 – 67) and the apostle John Bar Zebedee (1 – 100) both being UNTRUTHFUL when they both called Jesus Christ Judah (8 B.C. – 33 A.D.) “God” because our Lord and Savior Jesus said his Father is the only true God (John 17: 1 – 5 (3))? John 17: 3 – “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” Jehovah is your God, and He happens to be Jesus’s God too! Jesus states that his Father is “the only true God”! There is only one God and Jesus ain’t that God (John 17: 1 – 26 (1 – 5, 3), John 20: 1 – 31 (11 – 18, 17)) because God cannot have a God! John 17: 3 – And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. John 20: 17 – Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.'” Jesus Christ Judah (8 B.C. – 33 A.D.) is a King, he is a Lord, he is the Messiah, he is the Christ, he is the Chosen One, he is the Anointed One, he is a prophet, seer, and revelator, and he is the only begotten son of our Heavenly Father Jehovah God (Yahweh Elohim Allah), and NOTHING MORE and NOTHING LESS!

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Sebastian Darrel Sears says:

March 18, 2020 at 7:52 am

What is the truth? The truth is/are the fact correctly interpreted!
Do the facts support you or me? In the end, by using the exact same reasoning (that Israelite Jews, Christians, and Islamic Muslims follow a different God and a different Jesus), many fellow Christians claim that we Latter Day Saint Mormon Christians follow “a different Christ”, or the Jehovah’s Witnesses follow “a different Christ”! This is simply not true! It is the apostle Paul (Saul Benjamin) (3 – 67) who inferred that Jesus had an Archangel’s voice (1 Thessalonians 4: 1 – 18 (13 – 18, 14))! My Jehovah’s Witnesses Christian friends view Jesus Christ Judah (8 B.C. – 33 A.D.) as having the alter ego of the Archangel Michael (1 Thessalonians 4: 1 – 18 (13 – 18, 14)), or so infers the apostle Paul (Saul Benjamin) (3 – 67). The prophet Daniel Levi (620 B.C. – 530 B.C.) also speaks about the Archangel Michael (Daniel 10: 1 – 21 (10 – 21) as well as the apostle Jon Bar Zebedee Judah (1 – 100) (Revelation 12: 1 – 17 (7 – 12) (Jude 1: 1 – 25 (5 – 11)). Some Trinitarian Christians feel that Jesus has an alter ego of God the Son (the second (2nd) person in the Trinity), and my Latter-Day Saint Mormon Christian friends believe that Jesus has an alter ego of Jehovah (the God of Israel, the God of Judah, the God of the Israelites, the God of the Jews, the God of the Old Testament). It’s ironic that all Christians view the mortal Jesus in much the same way, but would have vastly differing views as to his alter ego. Anyone who worships God through the son of God is a Christian! Are there ANY passages in the Holy Scriptures of the Bible that say OTHERWISE? My beloved wife Jamie is a Christian polytheist (with at least four (4) Gods-Goddesses of our Heavenly Father, our Heavenly Mother, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost-the Holy Spirit), but I am not! I am a Christian monotheist! As a Christian monotheist, I believe that there is only one (1) God, whom is our Heavenly Father, even Jehovah God (Yahweh Elohim Allah), as stated by His only begotten son whom is our Lord and Savior even Jesus Christ Judah (8 B.C. – 33 A.D.) (John 17: 1 – 26, 1 – 5, 3). BUT, I could very well be wrong about this!

If you worship any other God other than our Heavenly Father Jehovah God (Yahweh Elohim Allah) then negative things would happen to you!

Exodus 20: 1 – 26 (1 – 17, 1 – 7)
Deuteronomy 5: 1 – 33 (1 – 22, 6 – 11)
LDS BoM Mosiah 12: 1 – 37 (27 – 37, 33 – 36)
LDS BoM Mosiah 13: 1 – 35 (1 – 24, 12 – 15)
RLDS-CoC BoM Mosiah 7: 1 – 124 (95 – 124, 95 – 115)

Even our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ Judah (8 B.C. – 33 A.D.) followed the Mosaic Law of 1513 B.C. as presented by the Moses Levi (1593 B.C. – 1473 B.C.)! There is only one God and Jesus ain’t that God (John 17: 1 – 26 (1 – 5, 3), John 20: 1 – 31 (11 – 18, 17)) because God cannot have a God! John 17: 3 – And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. John 20: 17 – Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’ And this view corresponds with Jesus correct view that his Heavenly Father even Jehovah God (Yahweh Elohim Allah) was the only true God when he said as he prayed: “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” (JST John 17: 3).

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Hank Parrish says:

March 18, 2020 at 5:13 pm

Trinitarian cannot comprehend that God is omniscient and is everywhere….they see a voice….and think Wait!! God is over there…..so this must be another God!

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Moon River says:

March 18, 2020 at 11:14 pm

God Is Worthy Of Our Worship And Adoration When Know That He Is Our: Gen 1:26 ‘ Then God said,” Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” ‘
That We Have Only One God: Deuteronomy 6:4 ” Hear, O Israel: The Lord Our God, the Lord is one.”
And The Lord God Is One With His, Talks With Them And Bless Them: Isaiah 6:8 ‘ Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, ” Whom Shall I Send? And Who Will Go For Us?” And I Said,” Here Am I. Send Me!”

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Moon River says:

March 18, 2020 at 11:15 pm

God Is Worthy Of Our Worship And Adoration When Know That He Is Our: Gen 1:26 ‘ Then God said,” Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” ‘
That We Have Only One God: Deuteronomy 6:4 ” Hear, O Israel: The Lord Our God, the Lord is one.”
And The Lord God Is One With His, Talks With Them And Bless Them: Isaiah 6:8 ‘ Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, ” Whom Shall I Send? And Who Will Go For Us?” And I Said,” Here Am I. Send Me!”

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Moon River says:

March 18, 2020 at 11:16 pm

God Is Worthy Of Our Worship And Adoration When Know That He Is Our: Gen 1:26 ‘ Then God said,” Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” ‘
That We Have Only One God: Deuteronomy 6:4 ” Hear, O Israel: The Lord Our God, the Lord is one.”
And The Lord God Is One With His, Talks With Them And Bless Them: Isaiah 6:8 ‘ Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, ” Whom Shall I Send? And Who Will Go For Us?” And I Said,” Here Am I. Send Me!”

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Moon River says:

March 19, 2020 at 1:03 am

He Is A God Who Can Renew Us: 2 Corinthians 1:21,22
Now it is God who make both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us,seat His seal of ownership on us and put His Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
2 Corinthians 13:14 ” May the grace oe the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, And The Fellowship Of The Holy Spirit Be With You All.
1 John 4:8 Whoever Does Not Love Does Not Know God, Because God Is Love.

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Moon River says:

March 19, 2020 at 1:04 am

He Is A God Who Can Renew Us: 2 Corinthians 1:21,22
Now it is God who make both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us,seat His seal of ownership on us and put His Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
2 Corinthians 13:14 ” May the grace oe the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, And The Fellowship Of The Holy Spirit Be With You All.
1 John 4:8 Whoever Does Not Love Does Not Know God, Because God Is Love.

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Moon River says:

March 19, 2020 at 1:12 am

We Kow That We Live In Him And He In Us, Because He Has Given Us Of His Spirit. And We Have Seen And Testify That The Father Has Sent His Son To Be The Savior Of The World. If Anyone Acknowledges That Jesus Is The Son Of God, God Lives In Him And He In God. And So We Know And Rely On The Love God Has For Us. 1 John 4:13-16.

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Bobby Michaels says:

March 21, 2020 at 1:54 am

Do you have to understand it to confess it?

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April 20, 2020 at 12:25 am

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Gabriel Fong says:

May 11, 2020 at 4:38 am

Here is a video break down I did on trinity

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=297292191432989&id=275868223356833

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Toni Armstrong says:

May 11, 2020 at 4:56 am

Historically the Church would burn those who didn’t agree with there pagan doctrine of the trinity

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