Was Judas “Predestined” to Betray Christ?
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Yes. But whatever actions he took after that, he had a choice.
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Yes
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Yes
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God knew but Judas chose to betray our Lord.
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No
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Yes. God’s sovereignty and man’s responsibility are not at odds.
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He could have repented.
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The sinners are saved thanking to Judah.
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If yes, what do you mean he has the choice? I mean if it wasn’t him, then there must be somebody else that have to betray him to take Jesus to the cross? If he has the choice, I mean what about marry? She’s pregnant
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No, God would never instruct man to sin
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Not predestination. Free will applies to all, Judas included. Foreknowledge of the future by God does not mean He is controlling people in it,
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Yes
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Nop. He chose to do it himself
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I’m sure if I was in Judas’s shoes i would be freaking out too. I mean think about it. You just literally killed the Son of God. What would go through your mind if you was in his shoes?
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Hmmm no. I think Christ just knew the patterns and results of how we and Judas think. Maybe.
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What man intended for evil God intended for good.
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No. The Bible doest prophecy therfore it HAS to happen. It’s prophecy because it WILL happen.
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John 17:12 states he was lost so that the scriptures would be fulfilled.
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John 6.64-65, with Proverbs 16.4.
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Yes he was. And the reason being, it was predestined, it was ordained, from the beginning that this office which Judas held would be the one who betrayed Jesus. This office was the accountant/bank/money holder.
Now the only reason Judas betrayed Jesus is because Satan entered him. Judas then lost all control of his ability to change his mind. And the scriptures already had also said that he was a thief and a robber. Characteristics of Satan himself.
Well, the only reason Satan could enter Judas is because the house of Judas, his being, was… sure swept ? clean and garnished, but it was empty empty. Leaving it open for those things which were driven out for a season to return.
But… basically, the only reason it was him and not the rest, is that Judas was left to his own nature and the rest were protected by God’s Grace not to betray Jesus, because in reality, every man born has the nature to betray Jesus…
So… the real question is…
“Is Judas forgiven?” Because last I checked, betrayal isn’t the unforgivable sin.
And Judas was so sorry he had done this, that he killed himself. So, when is the last time you or I were so sorry for betraying God, that we would gang ourselves? -
John 17:12
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Jesus knew what Judas was going to do but never affected his free will.
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Perhaps chosen because God knew he would betray him.
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Yes
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Yes
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That’s what scripture says.
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Yep.
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Yes, but I think people who say otherwise underestimate the sovereignty of God. God is outside of time. He knows the end from the beginning, and all possible ends from all possible beginnings. Judas made his decision freely, against God, and was punished for it, but God always knew it was going to happen, and rather than stop it, He chose to use it.
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Yes he was predistined according to God’s Foreknowledge.
God foreknew that Judas (freely choose) is the one who will betray Jesus then according to that he was predistined.
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the details are foretold though not the name. Jesus knew who it would be yet kept him close called him friend even as Judas was betraying him. Jesus still loved that evil heart. Though the heart was moved to evil. Jesus would have re wives him if he had repented.
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Judas acted freely without compulsion from without but did exactly what God preordained from before the foundation of the world even as the Lamb of God was predestined then.
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Foreknown
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Then he committed suicide, why? Because he felt guilty. He felt convicted and he couldn’t live knowing he had killed an innocent man. I think Judas Iscariot is Dave’s and in Heaven.
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Do You believe that God knew Judas would betray Christ ?
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“While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.”
John 17:12 ESV
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“Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke beforehand by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus. For he was numbered among us and was allotted his share in this ministry.” (Now this man acquired a field with the reward of his wickedness, and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out. And it became known to all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so that the field was called in their own language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.) “For it is written in the Book of Psalms, “‘May his camp become desolate, and let there be no one to dwell in it’; and “‘Let another take his office.’
Acts 1:16-20 – -
Who told you?
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God knowing the outcome doesn’t means Judas was predestined! If are free to asked this question then same to Judas
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Yes, but didn’t he do what he wanted to do?
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No.
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No. No basis for this in scripture
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Yes.
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Absolutely
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Yea I think so. Jesus knew beforehand that Judas would betray him, so it wasn’t a spur of the moment decision on Judas’ part. Plus satan entered Judas (nothing good ever comes of that) and God will have known before hand that Satan would enter Judas. We have all read Job I hope…Satan petitioned for Judas most probably.
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Judas loved money. He is the one who complained that the woman poured hugely expensive perfume on Jesus, claiming they could have sold it and done some good with it. I think Judas wanted the money for himself. The 30 pieces of silver also showed that betrayal was for sale too. God says we cannot serve two masters. Interestingly we must also remember that he was one of the 70 that went out and performed miracles and cast out demons, but he did it not in his own power but that what was given him. He looked like a Christian and seemed to fit right in but Jesus knew. When Jesus said one of them was going to betray Him they could not figure out who could do it? Finally he committed suicide. So my answer is no, Judas was not saved.
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OT prophecy – so it is written, so shall it be, see OT ones …. https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Judas-Iscariot and: https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Judas/
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A difficult question to answer knowing Jesus was the God-Man. I think a more insightful question is what people today are doing with Jesus? People rejecting Him today are no better off the Judas. Jesus gave us all and I believe also to Judas the same free will to choose. God knows but He does not force anyone to accept His love and saving Grace.
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Foreknowledge of God is not predestination.
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I wrestle with this one. Good question?!
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He was possessed by satan and ordained by God. I still can’t figure this one out.
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Predestined meaning God knew He would ahead of time, of course.
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A better question would be, ” was judas predestined by God to suicide as well? “
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yes
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It was foreknown but not predestined
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Judas was a thief Jesus knew who would betray him it had to be done in order to meet the deadline of passover God always uses people for the results that were predestined. Take a look at Jonah or Daniel, and how about Saul, of Tarsus who became the Apostle Paul, and Moses. And the list goes on. God bless.
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On top, Jesus washed his feet before he betrayed Him. ?
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Yes… everything the happened to Christ was prophesied
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In no way!
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Jesus asked him to betray him according to the gospel of Judas which was left out of the bible
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As prophesied, yes it is.
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Noone has their choices predestined. What has been predestined is the means for salvation to those who will believe and trust in Jesus.
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I think it was predetermined that Judas will betray Christ the Best question is that where’s the Judas soul is it in heaven or in hell because everything was planned
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This is what people fail to understand:
Everything has ALREADY happened, we are just slowly perceiving it.
God says he IS the Benning AND the End.
That’s like, if I held a Blu-ray disc in my hand and said, I have the beginning middle and ending of a story in my hand and I’ve already seen it 50 times. If I let you watch it, the first time through, you are seeing it for the first time… But I-I-I won’t be surprised by it. I already know it, it already happened
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Yes. There are even prophecies in the old testament about him and Jesus called him the son of perdition John 6
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Yes, the betrayal was foretold by Zechariah in/about 536bc.
12 I told them, “If you think it best, give me my pay; but if not, keep it.” So they paid me thirty pieces of silver.
13 And the Lord said to me, “Throw it to the potter”—the handsome price at which they valued me! So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them to the potter at the house of the Lord.Zechariah 11: 12-13
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Yes
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God not only chooses man for salvation but for hell
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Jesus was predestined to be betrayed. In choosing His disciples, He saw their hearts. He simply chose the person who is capable of betraying Him.
The events are predestined, but it is the small choices in between that make it happen. It’s mind-blowing that God can execute His sovereign will while still respecting each person’s free will.
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Predestined? Not sure about that. However, someone had to do so.
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Jack Kinsella explains it very clearly. It is too long so I have to post it in two parts:
The Omega Letter Intelligence Digest
The Predestination Controversy
Vol: 97 Issue: 3 Saturday, October 3, 2009One of the most controversial points of doctrine (after the Rapture) among believers is the doctrine of ‘predestination’.
‘Predestination’ is generally misunderstood as the belief that God chose you to be saved before the world began. And that there are others who He does NOT choose.
As the Bible presents it, ‘predestination’ is simply Divine foreknowledge.
“For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He did predestinate, them He also called: and whom He called, them He also justified: and whom He justified, them He also glorified.” (Romans 8:29)
Predestination is a central point in Calvinism, which helps to explain why it is so controversial. Most Christians shun the label ‘Calvinist’ altogether, not sure if they are ‘hyper-Calvinists’, modified Calvinists’, or indeed, it they are Calvinist at all.
The main argument against predestination is that it mitigates free will. If one is predestined to be saved, then God made the choice for you so where is the free will? Foreknowledge is not predestination anymore that Bible prophecy is.
In both instances, God knows the future, but the choices that bring about that future are made by man. Their free will is unaffected. God knows the future — they don’t.
Within Christianity, there are two basic schools of thought on issues of salvation, grace and faith — Calvinism and Arminianism. There really isn’t a third — any other position is a modification of one of these two.
For the most part, mainstream Protestants and Pentecostals embrace Arminianism, which conforms to the Catholic positions adopted at the Council of Trent.
The Arminian school of thought rejects Dispensationalism, pretribulationalism, and the doctrine of eternal security and embraces Replacement Theology.
The term ‘Arminianism’ comes from Jacobus Arminius who was a Divinity Professor at Leiden University in Holland early in the seventeenth century.
The Five Points of Arminianism:
1. God has decreed to save through Jesus Christ those of the fallen and sinful race who through the grace of the Holy Spirit believe in Him, but leaves in sin the incorrigible and unbelieving.
2. Christ died for all men (not just for the elect), but no one except the believer has remission of sin.
3. Man can neither of himself nor of his free will do anything truly good until he is born again of God, in Christ, through the Holy Spirit.
4. All good deeds or movements in the regenerate must be ascribed to the grace of God but His grace is not irresistible.
5. Those who are incorporated into Christ by a true faith have power given them through the assisting grace of the Holy Spirit to persevere in the faith. But it IS possible for a believer to fall from grace and lose his salvation.
According to Arminianism, then, salvation is accomplished through the combined efforts of God and man. One is saved by grace through works, and one’s salvation is maintained by not sinning — at least not habitually.
Sort of like maintaining a balance between good works and bad works.
The Five Points of Calvinism:
1. Total depravity of man: Man is unable to believe the Gospel apart from the Holy Spirit and cannot respond on his own. Consequently, it takes much more than the Spirit’s assistance to bring a sinner to Christ – it takes regeneration by which the Spirit makes the sinner alive and gives him a new nature.
2. Unconditional election: God’s choice of certain individuals unto salvation before the foundation of the world rested solely in His own sovereign will.
3. Limited atonement: Jesus didn’t die for ALL men, just for those who were predestinated to receive Him. (Points #2 and #3 are the ones that give rise to the most objections. Even from those who believe that the Jews were similarly chosen exclusively through the sovereign election of God)
4. Irresistible Grace: The internal call (which is made only to the elect) cannot be rejected; it always results in conversion.
5. Perseverance of the saints: (Eternal Security) All who are chosen by God, redeemed by Christ, and given faith by the Spirit are eternally saved. They are kept in faith by the power of Almighty God and thus persevere to the end.
Calvinism teaches that salvation is entirely the work of God; God chose His elect, the Son died to pay their sin debt, and the Holy Spirit makes Christ’s death effective by bringing the elect to faith and repentance, thereby causing them to willingly obey the Gospel.
The entire process (election, redemption, regeneration) is the work of God and is by grace alone. In this view, it is God, and not man, that determines who will be saved and who will be lost.
Both suffer from the same fundamental flaw in thinking — that foreknowledge is the same as predestination. Simple logic tells you that because you don’t know your own future, your free will decisions are unaffected by the fact that God does.
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Yes
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Part TWO:
Assessment:
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the CALLED according to His purpose. (Romans 8:28)
The goodness of God in converting and saving sinners encourages others to hope in His grace and mercy. Our faith, our conversion, and our eternal salvation, are not of works, lest any man should boast. These things are not brought to pass by any thing done by us, therefore all boasting is shut out.
“Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;” (Titus 3:5)
It is the free gift of God, and the effect of being quickened by His power. It was His purpose, to which he prepared us, by blessing us with the knowledge of His will, and His Holy Spirit producing such a change in us, that we should glorify God by our perseverance to holiness.
Holiness (Gk hagiasmos) means purification which is a PROCESS, also accomplished by God through Jesus.
Being confident of this very thing, that He which hath BEGUN a good work in you will PERFORM it UNTIL the day of Jesus Christ: (Phillipians 1:6)
There are no Christians more deserving than others. Because you have not yet achieved the state of holiness others have does not mean you are less favored. We all come to the Cross equally lost, and we all came away equally saved.
Salvation is an eternal state for which each of us were chosen before the world began.
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, Paul writes to Timothy, (2 Timothy 1:9)
“In hope of eternal life, which God, that CANNOT LIE, PROMISED before the world began. . .” (Titus 1:2)
We are eternally secure, because we are eternally saved, which was accomplished in the Mind of God when each of us was called — BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN!
Let’s bring it together. Nobody can come to Christ unless they are drawn by the Father, who provides us with both the extension of the offer of salvation and the faith necessary to receive it, a calling that was sealed in heaven before the world began, according to His purpose and grace.
Our salvation is immediate and eternal, but our purification is a process, which, having been begun in us at the moment of salvation, will be performed in us — BY CHRIST — until the day we stand before Him. Lest anyone should boast.
That’s not my opinion of what the Bible says — look up the verses in context and see if you can make them mean something else.
“As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.” (Romans 3:10-12)
“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:” (Romans 3:23-24)
“I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.” (Galatians 2:21)
Legalism runs counter to the clear teaching of Scripture. This is a very difficult doctrine to both teach and understand. It sounds like a license to sin. It is not.
It is an understanding that our relationship to Christ is unique — that God knows our hearts, and has already judged us accordingly. So that sin cannot reign supreme in our mortal body and thereby render us useless to our calling.
If the enemy can convince us of our own personal unrighteousness (of which each of us is acutely aware) or cause us to doubt the truth of Scripture or of our faith (which is a gift from God, lest anyone should boast) or cause us to doubt our own salvation, then we will not be able to effectively wield the Sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God.
God has a plan for each of us, and His plan is to send us to seek out and introduce others to their Savior. That is our assignment on this earth. THAT is our ‘calling.’ To spread the Gospel.
As Christians, we have an awesome responsibility before God. We have been assigned to seek out the lost and offer them the Gospel. To accomplish our mission, we need to be fully equipped for the task.
That is what eternal security is all about. Not a license to sin, but rather a certain knowledge that our sin is forgiven.
The most effective weapon we have in our war with the enemy is the knowledge that he cannot take away our salvation. There is never a time when we are unworthy to tell others of Jesus Christ.
“But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:” (1st Peter 3:15)
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Jesus’ betrayal was foretold, not who
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Judas has a chance not to do it
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Yes.I think so, Judas was predestined. It is scrypted. A three day drama with roman soldiers with spears and cock crowing and thirty pieces of silver and the dead rising from graves and thunder, etc.
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Nor I don’t think so . Have not choosing twelve but one of you is a devil there was intent looking from Satan to choose among the twelve who will avail himself . peter be careful Satan want to sift you from the group but I have prayed for you . it could have been peter also or any other from the twelve . But Judas has a personal character of greedy of money . He became a thief among the disciples and Satan capitalize on that weaknesses to sell Jesus for a money
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Only God knows
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In my understanding of scripture, as also would be the thought of many Bible scholars, I would say the DECISION to do what he did, Judas alone made, and as such, is fully responsible for that DECISION he made, to betray Christ. BUT ALSO, God predestined that to happen exactly like it did. We cannot expect to understand everything about God and how He works from all eternity. That’s the epitome of arrogance. Both aspects are undeniably taught in scripture and both are true at the same time. Just as the plan for God the Father to kill Jesus on the cross was His plan to defeat evil from before the dawn of time… Totally predestined… And at the same time, Pilate and the crowds and the soldiers made THEIR OWN DECISIONS to do so wickedly against Christ and thus, are accountable. If you’re God is not able to bring unity and oneness to those two aspects, your God it too impotent and small. How will you ever trust Him to save and keep your soul for eternity???
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No. God only knew Judas so well in his omniscient nature that he would choose to betray Christ.. It’s the matter of free will and God knowing what people choose to do freely because He created us and know us better than we do..
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No. Nothing in the Bible suggests that people don’t have free will. All evidence shows we have the choice between good and evil. The Bible does, however, consistently proclaim that God has foreknowledge of the outcome of our decisions.
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Angelo Dellomes, what’s your answer to your question?
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God knowing what we will do, does not mean God is the puppet master behind our decisions.
If you were in a room with a plate of pizza covered in cheese and a plate roaches, which plate would you eat? If you love pizza you WILL choose the pizza. If you love roaches, you WILL choose the roaches. Knowing this outcome does not infringe upon freewill, it merely predicts it.
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