What scripture speaks on Rapture. I personally believe the rapture…

What scripture speaks on Rapture. I personally believe the rapture but mid tribulation. Some believe we will experience all of it and there will be no rapture.

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  1. Brent Waters says:

    We’re not appointed to wrath and I see all of trib as wrath and after rev 5 the church is not mentioned till they return with Jesus. So I firmly believe in pre trib

  2. James Gore says:

    I would look to Exodus and how even the Hebrews were exposed to the first three plagues. After the drugs they are set apart and not subjected to the plagues except the risk of the first born if they didn’t mark their doors

  3. Harold Goldman says:

    No pre trib rapture no 1000 years anything it’s a man made system. Here’s what scripture says Matthew 23 Jesus pronouncing judgement on unbelieving Israel Matthew 24 describes what it looks like revelation Jesus is warning the 7 churches that Matthew 24 will happen shortly for the time is at hand

  4. Harold Goldman says:

    1 thess 4 is talking about resurrection not rapture and here’s why when a person say Jesus rises from the dead what is it called ?

  5. Harold Goldman says:

    All dispensationalists no thanks I was one 20 years ago. They say the take scripture literally but when you read rev 1 1-3 and it says the things written will happen shortly for the time is at hand they don’t take that literally very inconsistent because the whole system of dispensationalism is flawed

  6. Ralph Edwards II says:

    Zechariah 14:5 Thus the Lord my God will come,
    And all the saints with You.

    Matthew 24:30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    In Zechariah chapter 14 Zechariah is fore telling of the future event of Jesus Christ return to earth on the day of His second coming. Zechariah tells us the Lord will come and all the saints will be with Him. Zechariah 14:5 references the same exact event in Matthew 24:30 thus giving evidence to a preraptured event that had already taken place before the Lord’s second coming. For truly Jesus Christ told the church in (Revelation 3:10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth). Why were the saints with Jesus at His second coming? What had the two been doing? I believe Luke’s account in chapter 12 gives us the answer to this question. (Luke 12:35-40 Let your waist be girded and your lamps burning; and you yourselves be like men who wait for their master, when he will return from the wedding, that when he comes and knocks they may open to him immediately. Blessed are those servants whom the master, when he comes, will find watching. Assuredly, I say to you that he will gird himself and have them sit down to eat, and will come and serve them. And if he should come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.) The master Jesus is referring too here who will be returning from a wedding is no other than Himself, even so the Groom. Jesus had married His bride, the Church, who had been caught up with Him to heaven in the second watch. This is why Jesus told His disciples to be watching and ready because they knew not when He was coming, even so did no one know when a thief would come. After the marriage feast of the Lamb and His bride, even so the Saints, the time of the tribulation has ended and therefore Jesus with His bride returns for the rest of His people to set up His millennial kingdom here on earth for His thousand year reign.

  7. Harold Goldman says:

    Coming with clouds is a judgement metaphor. If you don’t believe me do a word search. Tribes of the earth are the one being judged. (12 tribes of israel)

  8. John Calogrides says:

    First let’s look at 1 Cor. 15:51 “50 Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.”

    That’s what it’s taking about, but not much detail. So on the same topic, more details, 1 Thess. 4:23-18 gives many more details: “13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.”

    The Thesalonians were worried they had missed the Rapture and were already at the Day of the Lord (a different thing) and had missed the blessed hope of Rapture. Verse 18 tells us the reason Paul wrote this. To COMFORT them that they hadn’t, and indeed with NOT suffer God’s wrath in the Tribulation and day of the Lord.

    John 14:3 is another overlooked Rapture verse. “1 “Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3 If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.”

    He will come again and receive the saints to Himself. The mansion or dwelling place He goes to prepare is our IMMORTAL BODY we receive at the Rapture. Remember 1 Cor. 15. Only immoral bodies can enter heaven. And we know the “dwelling place” referred to here is the new BODY because the same word in Greek is used several times through the NT to refer to a body.

  9. Keith Schuster says:

    Many in this group claim revelation happened shortly after Christs walking on earth and that the beast was Nero or some other ancient ruler…one of my main questions for them is who were the two witnesses in REV 11 that stopped the rain and shot flames from their mouth at Gods enemies and called plagues upon the earth and were killed and lay dead in the streets for 3 days while the world rejoiced at their deaths and sent gifts to one another…hmmmm

  10. Roberta Jackson says:

    The tribulation is also referred to in scripture as “the time of Jacob’s trouble.” (Jacob is another name for Israel.) Because the Jews rejected Jesus as his baptism, at his crucifixion, and again at the stoning of Stephen, God has not yet fulfilled his promise to place a Messiah on the Throne of David…a fulfillment of his covenant with the Nation of Israel.

    The tribulation is a time when God returns to dealing with the nation of Israel, so the church would necessarily be removed from the scene prior to its beginning. There will be some Gentiles who enter the tribulation because they were unsaved and were not raptured, but when you read what happens during the tribulation, it is focused on the Jews. There is no reason for the Church to be involved.

  11. Harold Goldman says:

    If you notice the temple is still standing the 2 witnesses represents the law and the prophets the word of God bears witness. I think the problem lies in literary grammar. If you read all scripture in a wooden literal way then Jesus is a literal lamb gate vine etc. But it you read in the literal sense that it was intended you’ll realize like any other literature metaphors hyperbole etc have be used since Moses first wrote

  12. Nick Shara says:

    Tribulation and wrath are different. Keep that in mind. Wrath is when God and His angels start tearing this place apart. Tribulation is the worst of times brought on by evil people and the antichrist against God and believers.

    If there is a rapture, then it’s after the tribulation, before the wrath.

  13. Harold Goldman says:

    Look stop sending all these links I challenge you to lay aside all preconceived ideas and learn to read the bible for all its worth. I didn’t mean that in a critical way but most of us including me was told to read the bible at face value only. How come we don’t do that in all literary works? Because we would never be able to communicate. Case in point it’s raining cats and dogs here. It’s literally coming down in buckets

  14. Gwendolyn Benthul says:

    Rapture means immense joy. The unrightous were taken away in the days of Noah and it will be the same when the Son of Man comes.

  15. Larry SMith says:

    Those who believe in a mid trib rapture don’t understand that the book of Revelation repeats itself. 6-11 are the complete tribulation. 15-19 are simply repeats. The rapture is at the end of the tribulation.

  16. Christopher Brynestad says:

    How many Second Comings will Jesus have? I thought there is to be only one return. Isn’t Jesus supposed to return riding on the clouds? Isn’t that in the air, which is also where we will meet Him? Why can’t these be one and the same event?

  17. Madison Willoughby says:

    The term ‘rapture’ does not appear in the Bible. It is a word that’s been assigned to an event which is described in Luke 17:22-37; 1 Corinthians 15: 51-52; 1 Thessalonians 4: 14-5:3. Those who belong to Christ are removed from the earth because they will be spared the wrath of God which is released on Israel (1 Thessalonians 5:9/Revelation 3:10). In Luke 17, Jesus is explaining to His disciples that, as happened on two previous occasions, that everyone will be eating, drinking, working, and living as usual until the day Jesus is revealed or disclosed. When this happens, it is pointless to leave your rooftop or field to retrieve things you might own. The Greek says Jesus will receive near and take unto Himself those who belong to Him and will send forth/put away those who don’t. The disciples asked Him where this would happen, and Jesus said His utterance (the Greek definition) would take place where the eagles convene (the lower heavens where birds fly). These scriptures do not describe Jesus as setting foot on the earth. He calls His followers to meet Him in the air.

    These scriptures reference the rapture, the catching up/catching away of the church, because Jesus receives unto Himself those who belong to Him, the church, and leaves on earth those who do not. By the utterance of Christ, the church is called up to the place where eagles fly. The rapture will take place just prior to the rise of the man who will become the Antichrist. We know this because this man will make a seven-year covenant with Israel (Daniel 9:27) which will usher in the Tribulation (3.5 years) and the Great Tribulation (3.5 years), the seven years of wrath which the saved in Christ will not endure
    (1 Thessalonians 5:9/Revelation 3:10). During these seven years, God will deal with the nation of Israel and pour His wrath out upon the earth. It will not be only the nation of Israel who suffers during this time, but ANYONE who is left upon the earth, anyone who does NOT leave in the rapture.

    Jesus’ second coming is described in Revelation 19:11-21. He returns to earth to battle Satan, the false prophet and the beast, along with the earthly kings and armies they have amassed. Jesus annihilates everyone. The birds feed on the flesh of dead people and horses. The false prophet and the beast are thrown into the Lake of Fire, and Satan is bound for the duration of the millennial kingdom (Rev 20:2), during which those beheaded during the Tribulation will reign with Jesus (Rev 20:4).

    These verses clearly describe two different events. The scriptures regarding the rapture tell us the Son of Man will be revealed or disclosed. Since this is stated within the context of Jesus bringing His believers alongside Him, it’s understood that Jesus is revealed to only those who belong to Him. Also, the rapture can happen at any time as there are no stated events which must come to pass (Titus 2:13/1 Thessalonians 4:16-18). At the second coming, Jesus is revealed to the entire earth. This will be an event missed by no one on the planet (Matthew 24:27/Revelation 1:7), but it will not happen until certain prophesied events come to pass (2Thessalonians 2:4/Matthew 24:15-30).

    You should get an interlinear Bible and study for yourself. You could very possibly come to a different understanding than what I’ve presented here. There are many many Christians who agree with me, but there also many who don’t.

    I hope this gives you some answers. At the very least it’s a starting point. God bless you on your journey. M.

  18. Emmanuel Montoro says:

    Jesus talks about it, Paul talks about it, john the Baptist talked about it

    Please make an effort to read the Bible start in the gospels and slowly move on to revelation, grab firmly your salvation and then worry about the rest!


  19. Larry Koester says:

    WHAT we call thecraprure is just the beginning of the start of the day of Judgement of akk humanity. No second chance of those left behind for all will be judged.

  20. Craig Fillmore says:

    What people are calling the rapture is just the resurrection of the dead. It happened in 66AD at the same time as the second coming of Christ.

  21. Jack Hickman says:

    Even people who don’t buy the rapture see Christ coming & sweeping up the holy ones in a final victory. Described in Thessalonians

  22. Anthony R. Vacanti says:

    In His own words, Jesus said He will return AFTER the Tribulation: “Immediately after the tribulation of those days… then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven… And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other” (Matthew 24:29-31).

  23. Duane L Burgess says:

    The PURPOSE of the rapture gives us the timing. Daniel’s 70th week is for national Israel and Jerusalem, not the Church.

    However we don’t know what conditions may become before we get to the rapture. America could fall. Persecution could expand. Islam, simply having the most babies, could dominate.

    The rapture is to remove the Church to prepare for service in the Millennial Kingdom.

  24. Nikki Sheppick says:

    What does the Holy Word of God Speak? – Fore-told:

    Blessed are those who have the ears to hear, and hear, for that which the Holy Word of God has Spoken, so shall it be. Only by the Holy Blood of the Lamb are true believers saved, and only by the Holy Word of God are true believers led into/guides into all truth, that is by He Who is the Holy Living Word of God Incarnate, Jesus the Christ. Amen and Amen.

    Jesus Said: (“Let NO MAN deceive you.”)

    5 “For many …. shall come …. in My Name, saying, I am Christ(-ian); and shall …. deceive …. many.
    6 And …. ye shall hear of wars and rumors …. of wars: see that ye …. be not troubled: for …. all these things …. must come …. to pass, but …. the End …. is not …. yet.
    7 For nation …. shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: …. and there shall be …. famines, and …. pestilences, and …. earthquakes, …. in diverse (different) places.
    8 All …. these …. are …. the beginning …. of sorrows.” – https://biblehub.com/matthew/24-6.htm
    (compare to: Mark 13; Luke 21, Jn. 16 and wherever else that Jesus Spoke of these things)

    9 Then …. shall they (those not of God, yet some believe they are) …. deliver you up to be …. afflicted, and shall kill …. you: and ye …. shall be hated of all nations …. for My Name’s sake.
    10 And then …. shall many …. be offended (fall away/apostate because they are not well-grounded in God’s Way, Truth and Life Eternal), and …. shall betray …. one another, and shall …. hate one another.

    11 And …. many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

    12 And because iniquity (such sinfulness, such lies) …. shall abound (shall prolifigate), …. the love of many …. shall wax (grow) cold.

    13 But …. he that shall endure (in the faith) …. unto the end (in faith, come what may), …. the same …. shall be …. saved.
    14 And …. this Gospel of the Kingdom …. shall be preached in all the world …. for a witness …. unto all …. nations; and then …. shall …. the End …. come.

    And this is BEFORE …. the beast (false christ) shows up …. as it is fore-told of it …. mid-way in the last seven years before the fullness of the Wrath of God falls upon all the earth. (See Gospels, Daniel, 2 Thess. 1 & 2, and Rev.)
    STUDY further: https://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/24.htm

  25. Nikki Sheppick says:

    And so it is written, so shall it be …. Fore-told: The Holy Lamb of God in Heaven …. opens the first Seals …. of the book/scroll given unto Him. Blessed are those who have the ears to hear, and hear ….
    The First Seal: Rider on a White Horse
    Wars, rumors of wars, famine, economic woes, much death coming …. https://biblehub.com/revelation/6-4.htm
    1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one …. of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. 2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he …. that sat on him had a …. bow; and a crown (1 crown) …. was given unto him: and he …. went forth conquering, and …. to conquer. (See Daniel)
    The Second Seal: War
    3 And when He had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. 4 And there went out another horse …. that was red: and power …. was given to him that sat thereon …. to take peace from …. the earth, and that they …. should kill one another: and there was given unto him …. a great sword. (sword = connotates a war, a “great sword” = a Great War)
    The Third Seal: Famine
    5 And when He had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he …. that sat on him had a pair of balances …. in his hand. 6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, ‘A measure of wheat …. for a penny, and three measures of barley …. for a penny; and see thou hurt not …. the oil and the wine.
    The Fourth Seal: Death
    7 And when He had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. 8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name …. that sat on him was …. Death, and Hell …. followed with …. him. And power …. was given unto them …. over the fourth part (1/4) …. of the earth, to …. kill with …. sword, and with …. hunger, and with …. death, and with …. the beasts of the earth.
    The Fifth Seal: Martyrs
    9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar …. the souls of them …. that were slain …. for …. the Word of God, and for …. the testimony (witness) …. which they …. held: …. 10 And …. they cried with a loud voice, saying, ‘How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge …. our blood …. on them …. that dwell on the earth?’ 11 And white robes were given unto every one …. of them; and it was said unto them, that they …. should rest yet …. for a little season, …. until …. their fellowservants …. also …. and their …. brethren, that should be killed …. as …. they were, …. should be …. fulfilled.” (Compare to Rev. 3, Rev. 12:10-12, Rev. 20:4 KJV) – https://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/6.htm

  26. Nikki Sheppick says:

    Blessed are those who have the ears to hear, and hear ….
    “He that leadeth into captivity …. shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword …. must be killed with …. the sword. …. Here is the patience (steadfastness) …. and the faith …. of the saints.” – Revelation 13:10
    “In …. your patience (steadfastness in Jesus) …. possess (hold) …. ye your souls.” – Luke 21:19
    “Go thy way, Daniel: for …. the Words …. are closed up and sealed …. till …. the time of …. the End. 10 Many …. shall be purified, and made white, and …. tried (tested); but …. the wicked …. shall do (choose) …. wickedly: and none …. of the wicked …. shall understand; but …. the wise …. shall understand. 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice …. shall be …. taken away, and …. the abomination …. that maketh desolate …. set up, …. there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he (who remains) …. that waiteth, and cometh to …. the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. 13 But go thou thy way …. till …. the End be: …. for thou shalt …. rest (Heaven), and …. stand in thy lot …. at …. the End …. of the days (so numbered by God).” – https://biblehub.com/kjv/daniel/12.htm
    Stand fast, and BE IN Jesus 24/7=4GIVEN=4EVER. <3 <3 <3

  27. Nikki Sheppick says:

    Study the sequence of the Seals, that transition into the Trump(et)s, and the Trumps transition into the Holy Wrath of the Living God ….

  28. Harold Goldman says:

    THE BOOK OF REVELATION IS IT ALL FUTURISTIC OR HISTORIC WITH A FUTURISTIC ENDING So I thought I’d lay out what I see scripture saying and I will not use any system other than letting scripture interpret itself. There’s threads about who’s the anti Christ and people have been posting adhock it’s papacy or Islam or Obama etc so I will answer all those in a bit. All the camps agree that the prophesy in Daniel is connected to revelation so we will start there but not the actual prophesy but what comes next. From Daniel 9 till the end it was all prophesy given to Daniel and then this ““At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book.And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the sky above; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever.But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.” – Daniel 12:1-4 . Notice how Daniel is told to seal up the book because it was a ways off. First finding it’s fulfillment during the maccabees revolt that’s how Chanukah came into being and then in Jesus being killed. Ok now we go to revelation The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw.Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near.Now skip to revelation 21 after the angel gave him the prophesy he said this And he said to me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near. – Revelation 22:10 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation22:10&version=ESV in rev 1 he said the things that must take place shorty for the time is near. So we have bookends of the same thing and everything in the middle is leading up to something is about to take place very soon but it’s not our future but the audience of the book. From Daniel to Jesus is about 600 years and that was far off and was told to seal the book. It’s been 2000 years and it says the time is at hand. So simple math tells us something happened already . Now before you give me the usual 1000 years is like a day speal you would be doing yourself and injustice taking something out of its original context that is also a metaphor concerning how good and long God keeps his promises. Ok So what about the anti Christ the beast and the prophet how do they fit in and who are they glad you asked. We first here the term anti Christ from the apostle john in 1 and 2nd john he tells us this who’s the liar it’s the one who denies the father and the son THIS IS ANTI CHRIST based on that before any of us were saved we were antichrist right? Well we’ve been taught the beast is the antichrist. They lied to you. Since john wrote revelation he could have said anti christ instead of beast but he didn’t and there is a reason for that. When searching for answers outside the bible the only ones that should be used are the ones that support the internal evidence which the bible. In my study the best source for the jewish revolt against rome 66ad to 73ad (by the way that was Jacobs trouble/tribulation) is Josephus writing on the Jewish war
    He was a Pharisee and general of the army and got captured by rome and this is my take on why he didn’t get killed he was the mediator between rome and israel and god preserved his life to help the Hebrew Christians escape we they were surrounded by rome army. Anyway good info in the book. He say that the term beast was a name given to Nero to describe his persona. Now this 600 60 and 6 was a code for the Christians using a thing called gematia which translated from Greek to Hebrew the letters neron caesar Latin spelling is Nero Caesar that’s your beast. Before you go off the handles yes there have been plenty of beasts since then but that’s not revelation is trying to tell 1st century Christians not 21st century one. What about the prophet whose that? Who is the only nation to habe actual prophets? Obviously Israel. Right from the cross right up till the destruction of the temple they sided with Caesar against the church. We have not king but Caesar they shouted. Before Paul got saved what was he doing arresting and beating Christians Israel not rome is the harlot sorry to burst a lot of bubbles but facts are facts. Well what about the 1000 year reign of christ that’s got to happen 3rd temple animal sacrifices right. Well sorry if you look at rev 20 6 times it’s saying thousand but nothing is going on no temple or sacrifices or you nothing then Satan is released and destroyed and immediately you see judgement and new heaven and earth. The language in their is using OT metaphoric language to tell us not 1000 but eternal varieties not some time span of exactly 1000 years 0 months 0 seconds. The ancients used the word/number 1000 to describe something that has no time element like god owning the cattle on a thousand hills. No only does he own all the cattle but the hills to and everything else in the universe forever. So here’s why I say all this Matthew 23 Jesus pronounces judgement on unbelieving Israel. Matthew 24 Jesus tells us what it’s going to be and look like. He said THAT GENERATION no other one would see it and they did. Rev 1 1-3 jesus warns the 7 churches it’s going happen shortly for the time is at hand. The reason you don’t see the church till the end it’s because it wasn’t about the church it was about bringing judgement on Israel. Last point concerning the writers of the NT they always made sure when a prophesy was fulfill they wrote in down example like Pentecost. Even Jesus when he read told them the scripture is fulfilled in your hearing. I think the reason it’s not in the bible of Jesus prophesy about the temple cause it was written before the temple was destroyed that’s why he warned the 7 church’s. I know the certain camp says 90ad based on a ambiguous statement by one of the church fathers 300 years later but there is a load of internal evidence to prove it was written close to 66ad just before the revolt began. So that’s it I’ll either get a nope not true with no scripture or maybe a few will actually be bareans and see if these things are so


  29. Nikki Sheppick says:

    Read all of Jesus’ Words in such places in the Gospels, such as Mt. 24, wherein does the “gathering” occur? Compare to and carefully, prayerfully read 1 Cor. 15, 1 Thess. 4 & 5, and 2 Thess. 1 & 2 …. and Rev. …. regarding the final/last/7th Trump(et). And, the remnant (those who are “alive and remain”) are AFTER the rising of the dead.

  30. Wendy Beard says:

    Bible Verses That indicate Rapture, most Pretribulation Rapture:
    Revelation 3:10 ESV /
    Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.
    Luke 21:36 ESV
    But stay awake at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

    1 Corinthians 15:51-54 “Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed-in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: ‘Death has been swallowed up in victory’.”
    1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 “Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. According to the Lord’s own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage each other with these words.”
    Matthew 26:36-44 36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[a] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
    42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.”
    Luke 17:22-35 22 Then he said to his disciples, “The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it.23 People will tell you, ‘There he is!’ or ‘Here he is!’ Do not go running off after them. 24 For the Son of Man in his day[d] will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other. 25 But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.
    26 “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.
    28 “It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.
    30 “It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. 31 On that day no one who is on the housetop, with possessions inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. 32 Remember Lot’s wife! 33 Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left.35 Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.” [36] [e]

    Matthew 25 New International Version (NIV)
    The Parable of the Ten Virgins
    25 “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3 The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4 The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5 The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
    6 “At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’
    7 “Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8 The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’
    9 “‘No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’
    10 “But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.
    11 “Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’
    12 “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’
    13 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

    Mark 13:32 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
    Besides all the Scripture above, is the fact that there is no rapture or church in Revelation vision chapter 4 -end except the multitudes IN HEAVEN. JEWISH saints are sealed and witness for Christ. Where are the millions of Gentile Christians? None are mentioned as being on earth. Therefore the TRUE SAVED Christians, the bride of Christ, are already raptured and are the multitudes IN HEaVEN in Revelation 7.

    1. Troy Day says:

      Philip Williams You may think that and could suggest whatever you feel but in this case you need much better education WHAT Pentecostals actually believe because in the case of dispensations you are dead wrong… It is well known said many times before common knowledge that dispensations constrict the work of the Spirit in one period/era/dispensation WHILE we Pentecostals believe the SPIRIT works in ALL human history not just in the church age as you seem to propose in some Biblically wrong way

  31. Troy Day says:

    Philip Williams so much wrongful presumptions in your pompous posts Dwight Pentecost was NOT Pentecostal infact. Dispensationalist system was NOT created by John Nelson Darby. NOT to mention you wrongly believe in some Catholic separation of the NT Church and Israel like Christ died for 2 entities or else…

    1. Troy Day oh, I see! Real scholarship like Finnis Jennings Dake. ?

      Right, the Jesuits Ribera and Lacuna gave you your futurist interpretation of Revelation. Darby learned that from them.

      I don’t understand your last remark. I don’t separate the church from Israel.

    2. Troy Day says:

      The eschatological issues have been a very difficult issues to understand by many, including most Christians. I have seen that most clergies do not want to venture into this issues of end time, and others do not have full or accurate knowledge about this matter. >>>The latest & final revelation of the risen Jesus is in the book of Revelation:
      Rev 1-3 : Jesus stern message to the 7 Churches.
      Rev 4 : Church rapture of the dead & alive in Christ, as represented by John.
      Rev 5-18 7-yr tribulation or Jacob’s troubles with 2 OT prophets & 144,000 Jewish evangelists to confirm Daniel 9 :27 & to the unbelieving Jews, period !!! Many left behind church fence-sitters/doubters & all unbelievers from all religions after witnessing the said rapture will cry out to Jesus to save them & many new believers will be martyred & immediately resurrected & are called tribulation saints.
      Rev 19-21 Jesus returns to earth to Mt Olives together with His Church Bride for the millennium Kingdom together with the saved remnant Jews & tribulation saints. Satan, demons & all unbelievers will be cast into the hell of fire forever.
      Rev 22 New earth & new heaven for all believers ( Gentiles & Jews ).

  32. Troy Day says:

    Philip Williams where did your poorly constructed comment go? The one that asked

    So the baptism of the Spirit in the name of Jesus given at Pentecost is no longer what Pentecostals(!) teach! Why not change your name to “Dispensationalists”?

    Whosoever has claimed that? Only a catholic or bapticostal would not be able to see the real Spirit baptism https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/you-may-be-bapticostal-if-toward-a-pentecostal-definition-of-theologia-bapticostalis/

  33. Troy Day says:

    Philip Williams without judgement there is no grace. Dispensing grace and mercy is an act of judgement. Lord judge us, vindicate our hearts with a baptism of fire ? Hebrew tradition welcomes the judgement of God as a virtuous aspect of God, because it is a righteous virtue of a righteous God who dispenses justice. My God is a consuming I will let ol friend RichardAnna Boyce school you on free grace for free now

    1. Troy Day says:

      Philip Williams NOW I have done it before and I can do it it again Start a series of scholarly discussions with Phil on this series of false claims he so pompously posted this past week BUT it has been my experience time and time again that when we get to real theology he quickly runs out of bullets checks out and goes to chase the imaginary lost ark which was supposed to be found 2-3 Octobers ago OH well I am thinking this October we make eschatology great again and put Phil back into his HRC not so holy see of common day radio inventor but certainly not a theologian or a founder of the lost ark

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