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Here are a couple questions I’ve pondered for ages, usually…

5 years ago • June 29, 2021 • by ourCOG

Here are a couple questions I’ve pondered for ages, usually around this time of year.

Is it possible, that Judas, even though he betrayed Christ, will be in Heaven? He obviously felt the weight of his actions, even attempted to return the money he was paid, and then hung himself. If, and this is a big IF Judas repented in those moments before he died, will we see him in Heaven?

Also: Was Judas created primarily for the purpose of betraying Jesus so He would be crucified? I believe in free will, but if God, who is outside time and knows everything sent His son to die for our sins, He must have had a plan for how this was all going down. Did Judas have a choice? If so, what happens if he decides not to betray Jesus? Was there a backup plan?

I know this is likely just something that’s beyond my understanding and I’m OK with that, but I can’t help but wonder. Forgive me if this is silly.

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  1. Dan Waenet says:
    April 11, 2020 at 7:52 am

    I think the betraying part was bad. But I like what my bishop said a few days ago.. Even at the point Judas decided in his heart to betray Jesus, Jesus still offered him a piece of bread as if a silent petition not to fall away. Sharing bread is a common sign of family or close bond. Jesus still loved Judas. However Judas was not the only one who betrayed Jesus. Peter did too, in his denial. The diff between these 2 is one repented and turned to Jesus, the other remorse and turned to suicide. I think this diff made all the difference between heaven and hell.

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  2. Markus Ramchiary says:
    April 11, 2020 at 8:07 am

    Jesus didn’t forgive the fallen angels. Judas isn’t alone. They are example for us.

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  3. Walt Jensen says:
    April 11, 2020 at 8:22 am

    God decides who is saved. Judas sinned – we don’t know the state of his mind or heart or if he repented at all. Sacred scripture suggests that both Judas and Peter betrayed our Lord but that Judas gave in to despair and didn’t seek God’s forgiveness and Peter overcame his betrayal and accepted Christ’s forgiveness (John 21).

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  4. Dan McKibbon says:
    April 11, 2020 at 8:26 am

    Nobody is created to sin. The ability to love requires choice.

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  5. Thato Masiu says:
    April 11, 2020 at 8:29 am

    Salvation is progressive. It requires maintenance (Heb. 11, 1 Corinthians 13:13, John 3:16).

    As for Judas (Matthew 26:24).

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  6. Craig Bennett says:
    April 11, 2020 at 9:12 am

    Matt 26.24 The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.” – Judas was not saved. the Greek words for repentance in the case of Judas and Peter are different… take a look

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  7. Philip Davis says:
    April 11, 2020 at 9:23 am

    Judas, like Pharoh, were ignoble vessels chosen to do the will of God. We cannot judge but have no reason to presume their eternal state since Jesus proclaimed “forgive them Father for they know not what they do!” God’s justice and mercy will prevail. PS to be saved is one thing to actually receive our inheritance seems to be something totally different. My belief is that HE saves us to equip us to become overcomers who will receive our inheritance through an obedient relationship with our Father. Why else are we called to live holy lives? Revelations 20 suggests that not all the saved will go on to their inheritance

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  8. Darren Stephens says:
    April 11, 2020 at 10:01 am

    I believe that suicide is a sin. A person is distraught and at a loss for how to rescue themselves from their torment. They take things into their own hands believing that is the answer.

    Yet I also believe that we will all go to our graves with sin that we have not repented of. And I believe God’s grace covers those sins, including the suicide of a believer.

    So for Judas, the question is—was he ever truly a believer. Scripture only ever really reveals him as the disciple who managed the money and indicates that it seemed to be his driving force—not what Jesus was proclaiming. I hope he was repentant, but we can’t really know. God is sovereign.

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  9. Chet Gaskins says:
    April 11, 2020 at 10:34 am

    We can say with some assurance that Judas is in Hell
    1. He along with the Antichrist is called the son of perdition. We know the Antichrist will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.
    2. Perdition means a state of eternal punishment and damnation into which a sinful and unpenitent person passes after death.
    3. There is no evidence that he was ever a believer.
    4. Jesus said he was a devil, and later Satan entered into him.

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  10. Chet Gaskins says:
    April 11, 2020 at 10:37 am

    Judas had a choice, his expectation was most likely an earthly kingdom and an overthrow of the Romans. When he saw the lead up to the death of Jesus he thought the flow of money, influence, and fame were coming to an end and made a “better” deal.

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  11. Bob Jones says:
    April 11, 2020 at 10:54 am

    I do not think so based upon the Scriptures I do not believe he ever truly repented of his sin

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  12. Argentino PowtotheChow Escuyos says:
    April 11, 2020 at 10:58 am

    Go doesn’t need a back up plan being all knowing

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  13. Kirralee Clough says:
    April 11, 2020 at 12:30 pm

    Judas was not created to betray Jesus. God may have known it was going to happen but thats not *why* he was created. God makes everyone out of love and with complete free will, not to be used like a chess piece. God would not create someone for the purpose of comitting sin. Sin is against Gods nature. Its not possible for him to will sinfulness.
    As for whether Judas is in heaven, only God knows for sure. I doubt it but my opinion doesnt really matter.

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  14. Christian Río says:
    April 11, 2020 at 12:33 pm

    In John 17, Jesus was clear in his prayer. 12 While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. On the night of the Last Supper, Luke tells us in Luke 22:3–6 that “Satan entered into Judas.” The apostle John tells us in John 12:6 that Judas was a thief. Someone had to betray Jesus so scripture would be fulfilled and Judas was created for that purpose.

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  15. Kevin Moldenhauer says:
    April 11, 2020 at 12:50 pm

    “Is it possible, that Judas, even though he betrayed Christ, will be in Heaven?”

    The Bible clearly indicates that Judas was not saved. Jesus Himself said of Judas, “The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born” (Matthew 26:24).

    The fact that it was all foreordained does not excuse Judas or absolve him from the punishment he would suffer for his part in the drama. Judas made his own choices, and they were the source of his own damnation. Yet the choices fit perfectly into the sovereign plan of God. God controls not only the good but also the evil of man to accomplish His own ends. Here we see Jesus condemning Judas, but considering that Judas traveled with Jesus for nearly three years, we know He also gave Judas ample opportunity for salvation and repentance. Even after his dreadful deed, Judas could have fallen on his knees to beg God’s forgiveness. But he did not. He may have felt some remorse born of fear, which caused him to return the money to the Pharisees, but he never repented, preferring instead to commit suicide (Matthew 27:5-8).

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  16. Calvin Yehezkiel Limuel says:
    April 11, 2020 at 1:13 pm

    Not at all silly.

    In addition to Jesus saying it is better for him not to have been born, there is no indication in the Bible that he ever repented.

    And I believe Judas did it all of his own free will, which God foresaw.

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  17. John Moses says:
    April 11, 2020 at 5:46 pm

    We don’t know, only God is the one who knows of he went to heaven or hell. Judas was created to love God and bring glory to Him, the same as all of us. He failed, as we all have. Let’s love God

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  18. Zack Brown says:
    April 11, 2020 at 8:50 pm

    “Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.”
    ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3:16-17‬ ‭NASB‬‬

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  19. Peni Biukoto says:
    April 12, 2020 at 4:37 am

    Why worry about Judas? God will take care of him.

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  20. Andrew Teeple says:
    April 12, 2020 at 4:42 am

    All good stuff guys! Thanks for all the info!!

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  21. Charles Baldini says:
    April 12, 2020 at 3:24 pm

    absolutely Judas the son or perdition will not be since he was chosen as a reprobate and every reprobate is chosen to go to hell.

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