I was wondering, are there any in this group that claim a gift of apostleship?
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Only if they are Catholic Bishops or Orthodox Bishops
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Explain what that is first? Or your interpretation of it because it is a debated subject.
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following
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Apostleship is defined as:
A vigorous and pioneering advocate of a particular policy, idea, or cause.
So if we are obedient to the Word of God, “go into the world and preach the gospel, baptizing then in the name of the father, the son, and the Holy Spirit,” then shouldn’t we all be???
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The Apostle Paul described what the qualifications for being an apostle are.
He also claimed to be the last one.
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No, nor should anyone do so.
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Gift of apostleship? ?
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I was baptized in the Apostolic Church of Canada, which grew out of the Welsh revival. (I am now a Texas Baptist.)
When I asked my pastor about this idea of “apostleship” he said that one of the denomination’s apostles planted, and oversaw, something like 300 churches. “What else do you call that, but an apostle?” he said.
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First of all its not a gift.
You have to be called by Jesus to be a Apostle.
You have to have seen Jesus also.
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Hmmmm this topic of modern Apostleship is really really a debate amongst theologians these days
Some of us believe that it was limited to the 12 Christ Himself chose and other schools of thoughts also say that there are Apostles in this modern dispensation because Christ has given the fivefold ministries to the church, therefore in full swing and operation
What are your views, please
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Office of Apostle is closed now I assume. Paul says in Ephesians that we are His house built on the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets. No need to lay a new foundation.
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Really there are two types of apostles. Has anyone wondered why Matthias was chosen to replace Judas and not Paul?
We know in that room was 120 people and only two meet the requirements Peter laid out for apostleship. One of the requirements was having followed Jesus since his baptism. We also know John said there was not enough paper to record everything Jesus said or did. So to be an apostle you had to know a lot, but why?
Remember all apostles picked by Jesus were/are to sit on a throne for all eternity and judge the 12 tribes of Israel. Apostles didn’t just have an earthly duty to spread the gospel, there is an eternal duty as well. There is no way for these types of apostles positions to ever become open. As Jesus said “it is finished”
Next apostle means one who is sent. To be this type of apostle there is a requirement to have seen the risen Christ. Which Paul was the last to do so (or at least be reliably recorded and witnessed as true by the 12 apostles mentioned earlier). Lastly we know true apostles have great power through the Paraclete. Peter’s shadow healed. Paul was in a sense immortal through the divine will of God. Ship wrecks, snake bites, stonings couldn’t kill Paul.
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I forget his name but there is at least one person who has been ordained a deacon in the Catholic Church. That is sort of related to apostolic succession but not in the typical definition. As for someone being an apostle in the sense of no public revelation that ship has sailed for a long time.
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There are none today. There are no new apostles or disciples since Jesus walked this earth.
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No. No one today can claim the same Apostolic authority as the originals, also most of the so-called Apostles today are self-proclaimed Even the Apostle Paul was a witness to the Resurrection of Jesus and Apostleship is not a spiritual gift.
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There were only 12.
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The use of the term “apostle” when describing a present day evangelist is rather unfortunate as it is a misnomer.
The word “apostle” literally means “sent one” and for one to qualify as an apostle of Jesus Christ he would have had to have seen the Lord and been commissioned by him personally. In all of history there have only been 13 true apostles including Paul. -
Originally, there were 12 apostles, but Judas was an apostate who betrayed Christ, leaving 11. After Christ had ascended He appeared to Saul of Tarsus on the Damascus road and Saul was converted and was given the name Paul. So, whether or not one counts Judas as an apostle will determine whether there were 12 or 13 apostles.
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Ephesians 4 verses 11 onwards
11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming. 15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ. 16 From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.
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Apostle with a little a
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In General sense we all are Apostel for the Example Church is Sending us to the World But We Dont have The Apostle gife bcoz as it is the foundation gift, for the example once we build a house on the Foundation so we are not giving another Foundation build our house…
Ephesian 2:20…
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Discipleship yes, apostleship no.
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you should ask those who claimed to be apostles here.
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Claim all they want but they are not.
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Probably
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Can anyone drink deadly poison and survive? I’m still waiting to see that. I feel like it could be my new spectator sport.
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Who do you refering to?the office or the work of apostleship…we do no longer have the Office of an apostle that should be clear…no more Apostles today…however the WORK of an apostleship does still continues…i.e missionary works
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Job 32:21, Let me not, I pray you, accept any man’s person, neither let me give flattering titles unto man.
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There better not be
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Not me
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I hope not the Apostles died 2000 years ago
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There are 12 apostles and a prophet ordained by God on the earth today. They lead and guide Jesus Christ’s restored church! Read what they have to say on comeuntochrist.org. :))
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The word and role is not clearly defined, though modern ”parade or stage ‘apostles’ ” do not meet apparant qualifying terms. The apostles were sent by Christ and so should everyone called into ministry be called by leading of the Spirit of Christ. And they laid a foundation for the body of Christ after His death and resurrection, a more perfect WAY. So, today, in a looser way the term could apply to those who lay the foundation for local bodies of believers to fellowship and go out in unity.
It is not a term to fling about or slap on any person of leadership and certainly never for praise of men. The foundation of Apostles all died for their beliefs. And that denotes the seriousness of carrying that role.
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The only Apostles are the ones in the Bible.
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Please see Hebrews 5:4
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Yes. Unlike the apostlehood of Jesus, but yes. Those who practice church planting sent by the Church are apostles. But those who believe otherwise call them missionaries, which is an unbiblical ministry term. They don’t embrace apostlehood today because they say it’s unbiblical, but create this ministry term which is also unbiblical.
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There are no such thing as modern Apostles, no one can pass the qualification test set out in the Bible. To qualify, you have to be alive when Jesus was on this earth. Good Lord, this is so basic – read it in the book of acts
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If you “plant” a church in a town and have a pastor “run” it and plant another then more, what gifting would that be
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I’m very happy to be called a friend of God.
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This is one of those questions that has me thinking not enough people asking questions are actually reading their bible.
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Not without twisting or misunderstanding God’s word!
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There are no apostles nowadays, they self proclaimed as such starting no more than 50 years ago, before that, no man of God dare to call himself apostle, Huss, Luther, Billy Graham, RC Sprowl, Ravi Zachariah ( who just passed), and many more.
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John Snow: The word apostle means “one who is sent out.” In the New Testament, there are two primary usages of the word apostle. The first is in specifically referring to the twelve apostles of Jesus Christ. The second is in generically referring to other individuals who are sent out to be messengers/ambassadors of Jesus Christ.
The twelve apostles held a unique position. In referring to the New Jerusalem, Revelation 21:14 states, “The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.” The twelve apostles are also referred to in Matthew 10:2; Mark 3:14; 4:10; 6:7; 9:35; 14:10, 17, 20; Luke 6:13; 9:1; 22:14; John 6:71; Acts 6:2; and 1 Corinthians 15:5. It was these twelve apostles who were the first messengers of the gospel after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It was these twelve apostles who were the foundation of the church—with Jesus being the cornerstone (Ephesians 2:20).
This specific type of apostle is not present in the church today. The qualifications of this type of apostle were: (1) to have been a witness of the resurrected Christ (1 Corinthians 9:1), (2) to have been explicitly chosen by the Holy Spirit (Acts 9:15), and (3) to have the ability to perform signs and wonders (Acts 2:43; 2 Corinthians 12:12). The responsibility of the twelve apostles, laying the foundation of the church, would also argue for their uniqueness. Two thousand years later, we are not still working on the foundation.
Beyond the unique twelve apostles of Jesus Christ, there were also apostles in a generic sense. Barnabas is referred to as an “apostle” in Acts 13:2 and 14:4. Andronicus and Junias are possibly identified as apostles in Romans 16:7. The same Greek word usually translated “apostle” is used to refer to Titus in 2 Corinthians 8:23 and Epaphroditus in Philippians 2:25. So, there definitely seems to be room for the term apostle being used to refer to someone besides the twelve apostles of Jesus Christ. Anyone who was “sent” could be called an apostle.
What exactly would be the role of an apostle outside that of the twelve apostles? That is not entirely clear. From the definition of the word, the closest thing today to an apostle, in the general sense, is a missionary. A missionary is a follower of Christ who is sent out with the specific mission of proclaiming the gospel. A missionary is an ambassador of Christ to people who have not heard the good news. However, to prevent confusion, it is likely best to not use the term apostle to refer to any position in the church today. The vast majority of occurrences of the word apostle or apostles in the New Testament refer to the twelve apostles of Jesus Christ.
There are some today who are seeking to restore the position of apostle. This is a dangerous movement. Frequently, those claiming the office of apostle seek authority equal to, or at least rivaling, the authority of the original twelve apostles. There is absolutely no biblical evidence to support such an understanding of the role of apostle today. This would fit with the New Testament’s warning against false apostles (2 Corinthians 11:13). [From Got Question?]
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But Jesus is the cornerstone of the foundation.
Its his Church. He is the most important part of it
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No more apostles but just very Godly preachers and teachers.
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Apostles are the ones who’ve seen the risen Lord Jesus Christ in person. Nowadays that is no one. Last one was Paul the apostle.
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I notice in Ephesians 3:7 is a mention of Paul’s gift in ministering, in 5 & 6 it alludes to how. 4:8 says He that ascended gave gifts unto men, 11 says He gave apostles. 1st Corinthians 12:1 refers to the subject of gifts then mentions in the 29th, are all apostles.
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To all those who say there aren’t any Apostles now, I would like to ask “Who is an Apostle?”
The very definition of Apostle is the one who declares, presents and preaches Christ to others. Disciples were called Apostles because they got promoted from being mere Followers of Christ when he was with them to becoming Followers and Preachers of Christ after Jesus was lifted back to heaven. Between this transition what worked was the Gift of Holy Spirit thay empowered Disciples to become Apostles for Christ. So all of us Born Again Christians who have received the Gift of Holy Spirit are the Apostles of Christ.
Still if anyone is in in doubt, please read 1 Corinthians 12:28 where Paul provides the order of people appointed by God. First and Foremost, we are appointed to be Apostles… by Jesus himself in Matthew 28:18-20.
I hope Jesus gives us all Wisdom to understand this doctrine… ??
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I appreciate your response. I could accept that we are all called to be apostles in the sense as to actively give an answer of the hope but there are scriptures I understand to contradict this idea. 1st Corinthians 12:29 are all apostles.. and the references of “the 12”. If there is an explanation please clarify. As from my witness the applied use with the modern day title has given to an hybrid of a missionary/bishop. That in its self doesn’t seem to me apostate but mixed with ignorance or an affinity to follow man rather than the holy scripture seems to cause a perfect storm for false teachers. I do not desire to condemn the definition itself and perseve a bishop/missionary an apostle. I would instead encourage studying and desire of the Holy Spirit over the leading of exalted people.
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