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I thought I would finally share with everybody one of…

4 years ago • January 19, 2023 • by ourCOG

I thought I would finally share with everybody one of two of my deepest sorrys. Something that I regret so much that I sometimes feel like I could cry about it forever.

I was raised in the Prescott Holiness Church my sisters Margie(who is on face book but not active) and Angie my youngest who were both raised in Prescott Holiness as well. The Prescott church taught that you are not saved until you have the gift of the Holy Spirit. Well I believe most churches teach that. It’s Bible. The question is, when do you know you have it? Other churches say, when you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ you automatically receive it. My church says no. My church says you have it when you have evidence of having it. The United Pentecostal Church teaches the same thing. But they are Oneness and my Church is Trinity. The Charismatics say any one of the nine Spirit gifts would be evidence that you have it. My church say no. My church says that the only definite evidence given for receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues. I says but look in scripture at Acts 8:15,16 those people had believed on the Lord but they hadn’t received the gift of the of the Holy Spirit yet. The Penticostal churches would say the they have received a measure of the Holy Spirit when they believed and were therefore saved. My church says, no they are not yet saved because they haven’t yet received the gift of the Holy Spirit with tongues as evidence.
I know now that my church was right but I just couldn’t believe that maybe half of the penticostal churches could be lost. So I left my church (I was also tired of hearing about sin,sin, sin so much) and went to Garywood Assembly of God in Heuytown with John A. Loper as pastor. My church warned me though that I would cause a lot of people to go to hell if I told them that they get by with only a measure of the Spirit.

Now I know that my church was completely right and my great sorry is that I messed up and left them????.

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31 comments

  1. Nathaniel Taylor says:
    June 2, 2020 at 9:35 pm

    You receive the Holy Spirit at Baptism. It’s not an emotion or an onset of specific high visible gifts. I was raised in a Pentecostal Church (since left that church) to think I wasn’t sanctified enough to receive the Spirit. It’s unbiblical.

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  2. Harold Goldman says:
    June 2, 2020 at 9:41 pm

    You receive the holy spirit when one receives Christ. He said he would not let us as orphans remember. How are we able to witness without the power from on high. He is the seal of salvation. Love is the ultimate gift not tougues

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  3. Brian Wilson says:
    June 2, 2020 at 9:42 pm

    This is all made up.

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  4. Gabe Cannon says:
    June 2, 2020 at 9:43 pm

    Harry Jones I agree with Nathaniel Taylor you receive the Holy Spirit at Baptism- Acts 2:38-41? Amen

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  5. Георги Григоровъ says:
    June 2, 2020 at 9:51 pm
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  6. Kelly Douglas Burchett says:
    June 2, 2020 at 9:51 pm

    I always questioned: if speaking in tongues is THE sign of salvation, wouldn’t the occasional Catholic and non-Pentecostal Protestant be “affected” and be a closet “Pentecostal” by randomly or intentionally speaking in tongues?

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  7. Tim Spangler says:
    June 2, 2020 at 9:56 pm

    I received the Spirit by BELIEVING….not by baptism ritual…not by speaking in tongues

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  8. Eric Jose says:
    June 2, 2020 at 9:58 pm

    Tongues is not the basis of salvation. It will contradict to Ephesians 2:8-9 that we are saved by God’s grace through faith not by works.

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  9. Richie Porter says:
    June 2, 2020 at 9:59 pm

    Putting church doctrine aside.
    How did you get saved biblically?
    Walk me through it in scripture.
    The bible is the authority not an institution .

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  10. Job Bautista says:
    June 2, 2020 at 10:00 pm

    Harry Jones visit our website http://www.iglesianicristo.net

    Pls include INC for your priority to ask about our doctrine.

    1. True church is church of Christ. Matthew 16:18, Acts 29:28 lamsa

    2. Only one true God . Jn . 17:1,3

    3. Only one mediator. Man Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5

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  11. David Thomas says:
    June 2, 2020 at 10:01 pm

    I believe that the evidence of regeneration is true repentance and faith in Jesus, as that is what is necessary for a rebel against God to turn from his ways. A heart of stone is replaced with a heart of flesh, one that loves God and His Law.

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  12. Jim Hill says:
    June 2, 2020 at 10:03 pm

    Ephesians 1:13

    In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,

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  13. Ian Hartley says:
    June 2, 2020 at 10:08 pm

    First: In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
    14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. Eph 1:13,14 KJV. It’s a Legal Relationship, Signed, Sealed, Forgiven.
    Second: Baptism,
    Third: Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Tom 2:15. KJV. The Holy Bible is your guide, Not a ‘Church organisation!’

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  14. Jill Schiewe says:
    June 2, 2020 at 10:25 pm

    This post is absolutely sad and frustrating to me. Leave all of those Pentecostal, Holiness, charismatic churches. I’m serious. They are teaching you incorrect doctrine. Leave them and get good teaching. Start by reading John 16 where Jesus introduces the Holy Spirit to the disciples. Then listen to this. Just do it. Verse by verse, in context, interpreting Scripture with Scripture teaching. You will never be sorry. Please listen and be taught by the scripture. http://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/45-57

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  15. Cheryl Potter says:
    June 2, 2020 at 10:30 pm

    You are saved by faith in God alone, not of any works that you can do. God needs no help from sinful man to get saved. Read your Bible.

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  16. Henry Lainez says:
    June 2, 2020 at 10:42 pm

    Harry remember the thief on the cross next to the Lord? Was he saved because he was speaking in tongues? If course not, the Holy Spirit convinced him of sin, through the Holy Spirit he recognized that Jesus is Lord and his faith saved him.
    We will speak in tongues if that’s what the Lord wills for you. Some speak in tongues, some are Preachers, some can heal, some can evangelize. You see, God gives his gifts according to his will and purpose. The sure sign that the Holy Spirit is working in you is your life of repentance and your works. They flow from a transformed heart. We can’t put God in a box and say that all saved people MUST speak in tongues. God doesn’t have to follow our rules, he saves whom he wishes and like the thief, not all of them will speak in tongues.

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  17. Sheila Anne says:
    June 2, 2020 at 10:46 pm

    My advice is to find another church outside of your denomination. And read your Bible for yourself.

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  18. Darryl Sylvester Hart says:
    June 2, 2020 at 10:53 pm

    You get the baptism of the Holy Spirit or the in dwelling of the Holy Spirit at the time of salvation. If you are not in dwelt by the Holy Spirit ( born again, spiritual rebirth) you don’t belong to Christ.

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  19. Chuck Pratt says:
    June 2, 2020 at 10:55 pm

    Rom 9:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
    10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth, confession is made unto salvation.

    Salvation is not what you do its what you belive!

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  20. Keneisha Keneisha says:
    June 2, 2020 at 11:09 pm

    Every believer has the Holy Spirit dwelling in them. Then there is the baptism of the Holy Spirit when He comes upon you with power to enable you to carry out works of service and partake in spiritual gifts etc. Don’t be deceived by religion. Many are speaking in tongues but their lives are not right with the Lord, and many do not speak in tongues but they are living right. The opposite is also true.

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  21. Gina Alston says:
    June 2, 2020 at 11:12 pm

    The gospel is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. When you have the right gospel, the rest of your doctrine will follow.

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  22. Jefferson Elder says:
    June 2, 2020 at 11:20 pm

    According to scripture, there are two ways: Baptism and laying on of the hands

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  23. Clay Lomax says:
    June 2, 2020 at 11:30 pm

    Read 1st Corinthians 14 and believe on what GOD’S WORD tells us there.
    Tongues should not be used in many public cases without an interpreter.

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  24. Matthew Siloterio says:
    June 2, 2020 at 11:41 pm

    I understandable your struggle as well. I was also once part of a movement that relies more on physical manifestations to substantiate the “anointing of the holy spirit” and stuff. But Paul’s letter to the Corinthians clearly contains his reproaches to that church for boasting in their gifts. I now believe what’s important is the manifestation of the fruits as one of the signs of genuine salvation. Like joy, love, peace, kindness, goodness, patience, and self-control.

    And of course it all comes from our genuine repentence and submission to Jesus as our personal Lord and Savior. He then takes care of molding your imperfect heart from there.

    Take care brother and may God continually bless you. Stay safe! Sending love from the Philippines!

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  25. Alexander Faburada says:
    June 3, 2020 at 12:28 am

    Harry Jones If you want to be sure of your salvation, then it is only by obeying the commands of Christ and the instructions of the Apostles.
    I believe God is calling you and leading you to see something missing.

    Many would argue this since people want to see a one sided view of scripture, and they would rather focus on a convenient method while neglecting other passages.
    My friend, BAPTISM is one of them.
    Satan has crept in the Churches fooling people to downplay a command of Christ that completes faith and belief. Why is baptism important and necessary?

    1. The physical act is the spiritual participation of the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.
    2. It bring about your DEATH. Therefore, setting you free from the wage of death.
    3. It cleanses your sins.
    4. Jesus personally set the example.
    5. Jesus commanded it in the great commission.
    6. The Apostles clearly made instructions about baptism and it was considered elementary (meaning, its importance was foundational in nature) and it was always water baptism! Water baptism was made powerful bec it was also the baptism of fire and the Holy Spirit. (Jesus emphasized that that was what made his baptism different from John’s)
    7. It was always viewed as essential for faith during the first 12 centuries.
    8. It unites you with Christ.
    9. It paved way to the indwelling of the holy spirit (different from acts of the holy spirit which was miraculous in nature).
    10. All NT post resurrection conversion ALWAYS involved baptism.
    11. It was downplayed as work AFTER more than a milennia (1000+ yrs) from the first churches. Meaning, someone revised that teaching about baptism.
    Who will you believe? The early churches led by apostles, or some new smart theologian who introduces his own interpretation?
    12. Thief on the cross supports that #1 is true.
    For he needed not to be baptised since there was no death or resurrection to participate in — Jesus had not died!
    13. It was never viewed as work and never is it mentioned to be just a mere “public display”. Nor was it a mere symbolism.

    There are more. And i got scriptures to back out each one. Just tell me which number you want to question me with.

    Here is the plan of salvation which is consistent to all NT post resurrection conversion.

    1. HEARING THE WORD
    2. BELIEVING
    3. ATTITUDE OF REPENTANCE
    4. CONFESSING THAT JESUS IS LORD AND SAVIOR
    5. BAPTISM

    And that grafts you in to be IN CHRIST, and the power of the saving New covenant now rules your life.

    Lastly, we are baptize and to TEACH EVERYTHING Jesus taught us — and yes he taught us that a spectrum of our faith and belief in him includes baptism!

    Matthew:28.19
    Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
    Matthew:28.20
    and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

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  26. William Clark says:
    June 3, 2020 at 1:34 am

    First, so sorry to hear you experienced this. The fact that there ARE verses in the bible that appear to contradict themselves (even if unintentionally) does not help. Many times further study deeper than just the “text” is required. You mentioned Prescott. Prescott Arizona??

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  27. William Clark says:
    June 3, 2020 at 1:36 am

    Question to offer insight. Did the thief who spends eternity with Christ in paradise have time to be water baptized?? He never had a chance to show any signs of having the HS inside him. Some might argue the HS wasn’t available until AFTER Jesus resurrection, but that is clearly refuted by the fact that John the Baptist was BORN with the spirit from the womb. Luke 1:15.

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  28. Micah Chuks says:
    June 3, 2020 at 5:24 am

    So the Ethopian Eunuch preached to by Philip in Acts 8 wasn’t saved before he was baptized?

    So the disciples whom Christ testified that they should rejoice because their names were written in the book of Life weren’t saved till the day of Pentecost?

    So the thief on the cross wasn’t saved?

    Please, can you define biblical salvation?

    Beloved, think on these things and flee from sin

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  29. Tammie Edwards says:
    June 3, 2020 at 7:09 am

    Jesus said “whoever belongs to God hears God. The reason you don’t hear is that you don’t belong to God.” John 8:47

    If you are in a relationship with God, you know that you are. If you are in rebellion to God, you know that too. Spiritual gifts are tied to Kingdom work and are chosen by the Spirit of God as tied to the destiny path. In other words, a Carpenter needs a different toolbox than a auto mechanic. Different tools for different jobs.

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  30. Maribel B. Krause says:
    June 3, 2020 at 8:21 am

    If I would make your statement short- is your Salvation based on speaking in toungues?

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  31. Yeshua Elijah says:
    June 3, 2020 at 8:34 am

    Salvation can be lost.
    However while it may be a gift, how can one trust what is written?? It was written thousands of years ago. How do you know what is right or wrong? The book of enoch was once considered cannon.

    They almost included the epistles of peter into the bible but didnt.

    The new testament gospels, have several things that has been added to it, while in the original manuscripts those texts were omitted.

    People say God cant lie, but what if he can? Isnt a indirect lie still a lie? If God is not the author of confusion, why did he cause confusion during the tower of babel? Its all right there folks in your bibles.

    Jesus said: i give you power over the enemies power, and not to rejoice in that but to rejoice in the fact that your names are written in the book.

    However, where is that promise? What about the abundant life that was promised? What about the promises of whatever we ask in his name that, will the father do for his glory?

    Why is it, that suffering is the food of many christians, even though they pray day in and out to a powerful merciful almighty god, where is he when you need him? and the food of many in the world is success and happiness?

    Something is wrong, and i perceive i am one of the few to notice it.

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