If Jesus is the agent of creation (1Cor 8:6; Col 1:16; Heb 1:2, 10; John 1:3,10) how can he also be the Creator?
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He is not an agent. He is Gòd. He says, ‘ I and father are one’ .
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Because with out Him God cannot create anything (John 1:3) therefore He is also a creator.
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All things are made through Him and for Him. Jn. 1.1-3, Col. 1.16
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What’s the difference between being the creator and being the agent (or the one who takes the active role) in creation?
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When God manifested into flesh as Jesus, he became the steward(agent) of creation. He healed, made whole, woke the dead, cast out demons. The Creator is infinite. We are finite. He breaks the laws of physics. How can He rise from the dead. How can He rise up into heaven while the apostles looked on. There are some questions we may not be able to answer. Some questions may go unanswered because it is not important to know them
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Strictly speaking, the Father Gen 1:1-3, Son Heb 1:8-14 and Holy Spirit were co-creators. Job 33:4.
Since the three person who we called the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are equal equal in power, co-eternal. These persons who reveled themsleves as one God are co-creators. We called them “Trinity.
The world was made through him In John 1:3 must be understood that Jesus is co-creator. His act in creation is the manifestation of his divine power of which equal with Father.(Phil. 2:5.)
Here are the amazing truths about the three person God. The Father is Almighty, the Holy Spirit is Almighty Job 33:4. Jesus is Almighty Revelation 1:8.
The Father is creator Gen 1:1-3, the Holy Spirit is creator Job 33:4, and the Son is creator John 1:3, Hebrews 1:8-14.
The divine nature of Father is definite, (John 1:1), the divine nature of Jesus definite (Heb. 1:8,) and the divine nature of Holy Spirit is definite Acts 5:3-4.
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The scripture never said that Jesus is the “agent” of creation. He is THE creator. Youre badly mistaken
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For by him all things were Created. He called them into existence. C.S.Lewis had the best handle on it, in ‘The Magicians Nephew’ where Aslan sang Creation into existence.
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Gen 1:1 – In the beginning God created.
Gen 1:2 – the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:26 And God said “Let us make man in OUR own image, in OUR likeness.”… created humans.Father, Spirit, Son. At creation. You will also see their/His/God’s presence throughout Genesis on other occasions. They each/all/individually/together were present at, and involved with, creation.
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Easily. I’m a creator of four sons, but in a sense also a reference point for them.
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jesus is the real creator – he is the god jahweh –
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Jesus wasn’t the creator. God the Father was.
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Think about that for just a minute, creation literally means something created by a creator. And Jesus being the word of God the Father then when God spoke…
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1 John ‘ The word is God, Jesus is the word…
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I would just add, that God and His ways have an element of mystery. A God we could dissect would be a small God, a God who leaves us wondering is a Sovereign and awesome God beyond our understanding.
Isaiah 55:8 tells us, “ for my thoughts are not your thoughts, my ways are not your ways”, says the Lord …. “ they are higher …” It’s good to wonder, good to strive to understand, but we will always be left wondering. Trust Him anyway. ? -
I would say why would you want to separate the two
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Because Hen is God which means He can accomplish all things
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Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let “us make man in our
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…one God…creator of all things…one Lord…of one being with the Father…through Him, all things were created.
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Agent????
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Where do you find the word agent in the text? Why have you chosen the word ‘agent’ to represent Christ’s role in creation. We’re going to need the logic of your argument if you expect us to engage.
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John 1:1 In the beginning was the word, and word was with God, and word was God. Triune God. God is a being in a relationship– Love.
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Carlos Xavier are you a JW or Mormon by chance.
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1 Corinthians 8:6 (NASB95) {Agent of creation?}
6 “Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.”Colossians 1:16 (NASB95) {Referring to Jesus as creator}
16 “For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.”Hebrews 1:2 (NASB95) {Jesus is God’s last word to the world}
2 “In these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.”Hebrews 1:10 (NASB95) {Referring to Jesus]
10 “And, “YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING, LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS.”John 1:3 (NASB95) {Nothing suggests here that Jesus is but a mere “agent” of creation}
3 “All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.”John 1:10 (NASB95) {The preposition through in the Greek can also be translated as “by”}
10 “He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.” -
He is the creator also in the book of John Jesus said, I and my Father are one and many passage of the Bible that he is creator
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https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuXxHEHGRVu9Et4L2kxCdoUCcJeheDJST
I recommend watching this… very informative
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He is the great I am. No beginning or ending. Time does not define him.
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All three persons of the Trinity created all of it. They were all the Creator and all the “agent”.
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Jesus is the word of God and God said let there be light……..in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. thought him nothing was created the word created everything thing Jesus is the word ……this is my son listen to him
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The Holy Spirit, God and Jesus all were active in creation.
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The father is the architect; Jesus is the contractor who speaks ; the Holy Ghost does the work; they’re all somehow involved
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Isaiah 9:6, “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” Jesus is called everlasting father, meaning he shares the same eternal nature as the Father. He and the father are one (in the Godhead: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) yet they two distinct and separate persons.
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The mystery of the Trinity. All three Persons work together, and are the same Being. So they all are the Creator, and Jesus as the Word of God is the Person which was the “active” agent. The Person is Creator as God and agent as the Person
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If Jesus isn’t the Creator why nature obeyed Him?
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Dr Billy Graham said:
One of the Bible’s greatest truths is that 2,000 years ago God became a man — and that man was Jesus Christ. In other words, Jesus wasn’t only fully human, He was also fully God. The Bible puts it this way: “The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being” (Hebrews 1:3). -
He can & is
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Oneness is not only unity is quantity but it also mean unity in essence. The Father is not the Son and The Son is not the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is not the Father. However all three is God. The word Trinity is not in the bible however there many scriptures show the Three work hand in hand.
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Jesus is with the Father in the time of creation and also because of Him it was created.
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yes
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if you are a created being how is it you can question the creator when you had nothing to do with your own creation???
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All things were made for him and through him
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Because God is beyond space and time. Which is foreign to our understanding
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The doctrines of Trinity differs from one another and they play different role… Yet they are one from the beginning… As clearly found in the book of Genesis…
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You referenced Hebrews 1:10. The Father is speaking to the Son. “You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.”
No matter how you slice it, one Person (the speaker, who is God the Father) speaking to another Person (the Son), calling Him LORD and Creator.
This fits perfectly well with Genesis 1:26-27, “Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.”
Since only God created all things by Himself (see Isaiah 44:24), then the Father (who is a distinct Person from the Son – c.f. Hebrews 1:10) and the Son (who is a distinct Person from the Father – c.f. Hebrews 1:10) is the one Creator.
Perhaps this would help with an open Bible….
http://www.doorwaychristianoutreach.info/413914187 -
Psalm 33:6 by the word of the Lord the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all their host.
The word became flesh John 1:14 -
He became the source of creation Hebrew 1:1-3
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He (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit was with th Father in the beginning…
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