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5 years ago • May 11, 2021 • by ourCOG

In light of scripture, why do Christians disregard the Old Testament laws?

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.”
Matthew 5: 17 18)

Revelation 21. Starts off like this:
“Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.”

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  1. Dai Suan Mung says:
    April 28, 2020 at 9:50 pm

    in OT some are Traditional Laws,, eg. Sabbath for Jews and Sunday for Sun worshippers. Jesus messages to all people are,, 1. Love your God 2. Love your neighbor

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  2. Jackson Lim says:
    April 28, 2020 at 10:27 pm

    Matthew 22: 36-40
    All the 613 laws hang in these 2

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  3. Charles Flores says:
    April 28, 2020 at 10:32 pm

    Matthew 5 Jesus is speaking to other Jewish followers. One Jewish Rabbi speaking to other Jews. At that time, us gentiles were not part of the Curse and law, and still are not part of the curse. We are free. I usually ask the Hebrew rooter in my home if they want to use that scripture as a guideline, then why don’t u go to a synagogue like Jesus? I usually get silence.

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  4. Ava Reyes says:
    April 28, 2020 at 10:35 pm

    Two sets of rules for two different ethnic groups?

    That’s racial inequality.

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  5. Charles Flores says:
    April 28, 2020 at 10:36 pm

    Where’s does ethnicity come in?

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  6. Charles Flores says:
    April 28, 2020 at 10:37 pm

    It is written that the Jewish people are his chosen people. I didn’t make that call.

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  7. Ava Reyes says:
    April 28, 2020 at 10:39 pm

    Are Old Testament laws still in force? The Bible’s New Testament gives two basic answers to this question, yes, and no. Some versus validate & indicate continuity while others describe the laws as being suppressed by Christ.

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  8. Celeste Marie says:
    April 28, 2020 at 10:47 pm

    “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
    For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.”
    Matthew 5: 17 18)

    If you read the last few words of the v 18 says, “until all is accomplished.” On the Cross, Jesus says, “It is finished, (accomplished).

    The entire Old Testament, The Law, and the Sacrificial System were meant to:

    A. Point to man’s inability to be perfectly obedient, (which is what we would need to be to have a relationship with the Father).

    B. Underscore the seriousness and consequence of sin (death) and the need for blood sacrifice (life) to pay that debt.

    C. Prophesy of the Messiah who would come and Save His People.

    The ‘Holy Men’ of His time were accusing Him of trashing the Law of Moses and the Prophets in the Old Testament. He is proclaiming that He did not come to abolish those laws, but to fulfill them, since He is what they were pointing to all along.

    With his sinless life, His blood sacrifice on the cross, and His resurrection which proved that our debt of death was truly paid, every jot of the law WAS fulfilled, not an iota was left unfulfilled.

    He has set us free to love God with all of our being and to love one another as we love ourselves. If we are doing those two things, we will naturally keep all of the commandments that God has written on our hearts. He has given us His Holy Spirit to lead us into all truth.

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  9. Zach Payne says:
    April 28, 2020 at 11:14 pm

    Jesus is the fulfillment of the law. Christian’s understand following the law does not save you, Jesus does. However, a follower of Jesus will practice the moral laws (different from Jewish civil laws) because of their love for Christ in gratitude for his grace. All the moral laws are summed up in the two commandments Jesus gives. Love God with all your heart, soul, body and mind. Know your creator, that you’re in his image, that every other human is the image of God. Which brings us to the second, love your neighbor as yourself. both of those commands are found in the old testament as well and they sum up the moral laws

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  10. Ava Reyes says:
    April 28, 2020 at 11:17 pm

    You’re all not reading it in context. In no uncertain terms it clearly states that until Heaven and Earth have passed away. I don’t see anything in the verse about Jesus dying on the cross.

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  11. Cynthia DeSimone says:
    April 28, 2020 at 11:22 pm

    Because Christ came to fulfill the law!

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  12. Arya Aquinas says:
    April 28, 2020 at 11:34 pm

    Its the law of grace, need to honor the New Testament law not the old

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  13. Alex Wong says:
    April 28, 2020 at 11:57 pm

    Read romans and Hebrews. Summarizes why the ceremonial laws were abolished

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  14. Pete Begley says:
    April 29, 2020 at 12:16 am

    Ava Reyes perhaps it helps to know those 613 Laws that Hebrews follow fall under 4 different categories.
    THE CEREMONIAL LAW, which pertained to temple regulations, sacrifices, temple worship, dietary laws and that which is clean and unclean, and laws of purification is no longer applicable today, having been completely fulfilled and superseded by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
    THE MORAL LAW identifies the timeless, unchangeable, and universal rules of right and wrong – the laws described by Blackstone as “the eternal, immutable laws of good and evil, to which the Creator Himself in all His dispensations conforms.”
    THE JUDICIAL LAW stipulates the civil penalties attached to the violations of God-established rights and wrongs.
    SOCIAL COMPACT LAWS are the laws enacted by a society to provide order – they are laws that fall beneath the level of the Moral Law and violate none of its provisions. Speed limits are a modern example.
    Of these only the Moral Law still applies to Christians.
    It was wrong to steal and murder before the Law of Moses was handed down at Sinai and it is still wrong to do those things.
    This is where the atheist must “borrow” from the Bible to maintain an orderly society.
    If you believe you evolved from slime, your uncle is a monkey, it is nature red in tooth and claw, survival of the fittest than murder and stealing are not immoral.
    As a matter of fact nothing is moral or immoral but they are useful.
    On a closing note I would ask if you have ever met an adult convert to the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
    You have not but there have been billions of adult converts to the historic Person Jesus of Nazareth.
    To equate Him with non historic myths and fantasies lessens the potency of your protest.
    It may read well in a Richard Dawkins book but there is a reason he is frightened to debate John Lennox and Ravi Zacharias.
    Because he has no answer to many such questions.
    Yet please think about this and call to Christ after reading the Gospel of John.
    He will answer you.
    God be with you.
    I appreciate your politeness.

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  15. Andrew Beltz says:
    April 29, 2020 at 12:20 am

    I think what Jesus was doing when he said this was emphasizing the impossibility of human ability to fulfill the law. In much the same way he said,”Unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.” No one is able to fulfill the Law except Jesus. No one is righteous except for Jesus.

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  16. Benjamin Strong says:
    April 29, 2020 at 12:43 am

    Because people pick and choose their favorite laws

    Jesus made it clear the only law he abolished was the eating of foods

    Other than that
    People got lazy
    And hated certain laws and quit doing them

    They quote old testaments for homosexuality
    But disregard you have to have your beard shaved
    Or god killed a guy because he gathered wood on the sabbath

    Which Jesus said we should be doing until the end times

    38,ooo differs denominations in America alone

    Of course they gotta make rules to say
    Who’s actually going to heaven

    Ha
    God can’t love em all

    Ha

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  17. Dan Waenet says:
    April 29, 2020 at 8:47 am

    I think newer Christian denominations especially those not tied to the reformation are more likely to say that.

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  18. D.j. Hariford says:
    April 29, 2020 at 10:15 am

    The conflict and confusion comes into play because many do not differentiate between the law and the covenant. Jesus changed the covenant. The law is no longer the means of salvation, but Christ Himself.

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  19. Andrew Beltz says:
    April 29, 2020 at 10:20 am

    The law is nothing more than a schoolmaster to lead us to Christ.
    Galatians 3:24

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  20. Greg Barolet says:
    April 29, 2020 at 11:08 am

    Ceremonial laws for Jews as were civil laws. Moral law for everyone.

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  21. Alan White says:
    April 29, 2020 at 6:26 pm

    Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

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  22. Ramon S. Quilala Jr. says:
    April 29, 2020 at 9:30 pm

    What law(s) are you referring to?

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  23. Lawrence Apitz says:
    April 30, 2020 at 12:50 am

    the ceremonial law and civil laws of israel were nailed to the cross but the moral law never was. many Christians do not understand this. stealing is still a sin, murder is also, bearing false witness is a sin, idolatry, occult involvement, etc. many more you have to sift them out of the law of moses. it can be done. it is very easy to tell what applies to us and what does not. .

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  24. Heather Erica Kennedy says:
    May 11, 2020 at 1:44 am

    Yes some churches don’t even use OT like Christadelphians and some into prosperity gospel. You are right the OT is important and you are right to remind us. Sometimes pastors with low emotional intelligence get confused about the OT stories about Job, Jonah etc and they confuse expressions of emotion with lack of faith. They are wrong. God gave us emotions and brains to use them. Jesus wept so can we. There is a tendency in the West to overspiritualise normal healthy emotions as lack of faith and then blame the victim for being upset. This puts people off the church and I don’t blame them one bit.

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  25. Zach Payne says:
    May 12, 2020 at 10:25 am

    Jesus gave two commandments. Love God with all your heart, mind, body and soul. Second, love your neighbor as yourself. In these two commandments we follow the Law. Jesus was the fulfillment of the law but many civil laws were abolished with his teachings. Also, as Paul points out, men are not saved by the law. Levitical law is sacred however it’s point was to prove how fallen and imperfect man is. Look back in the old testament. Alot of Godly men failed in following the law but they had a great relationship with God, which is what counts the most. The book of Hebrews is great with this concept. Romans is good for this point too. You also have to consider the fact that these were two different covenants, two different times in human history and two different reasons. The levitical law was meant to separate Israel from the pagan world. Set them aside as God’s people. Jesus is the fulfillment of God’s promise to Israel and Abraham to “bless all nations” through his lineage. I hope this helps you understand better

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  26. Cl Ing says:
    May 21, 2020 at 9:34 pm

    Why do you consistantly and redundantly answer your question in your question?

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