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A recent post-Tribulation book by a guy who did some mission work in Indonesia or the close by area, led to some question as of HOW exactly can a left behind church survive the Tribulation? His “boo
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Apparently so, some do, according to Jesus: https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Matthew-Chapter-24/#38 and then: Final/Last/7th Trump –
1 Corinthians 15:51-52 – Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not …. all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at …. the …. last …. trumpet; for …. the trumpet …. will sound, and the dead …. will be raised (the resurrection) …. imperishable, and we will be changed.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 – For the Lord Himself …. will descend …. from Heaven with a shout, with …. the voice of the archangel …. and with …. the trumpet of God, and …. the dead …. in Christ …. will rise …. first. Then we who are …. alive and remain (the remnant) …. will be caught up together …. with them …. in the clouds …. to meet the Lord …. in the air, and …. so we shall …. always be …. with …. the Lord.
Revelation 11:15-19 – Then the seventh angel …. sounded; and there were loud voices …. in Heaven, saying,“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.” And the twenty-four elders, who sit on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, saying,“We give You thanks, O Lord God, the Almighty, who are and who were, because You have taken Your great power and have begun to reign. And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath …. came, and the time came for the dead …. to be judged, and the time to reward …. Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints …. and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and …. to destroy those …. who destroy the earth.” And the Temple of God …. which is in Heaven …. was opened; and the ark of His covenant …. appeared in …. His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm.”
Matthew 24:31 – And he …. will send out his angels …. with a loud trumpet call, and they …. will gather …. his elect …. from …. the four winds, from …. one end of Heaven to the other.
https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/15-52.htm
https://www.openbible.info/topics/the_last_trump
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/search.php?q=TRUMP&bsec=N -
Surviving the tribulation isnt the point…. surviving eternity is
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There is no left behind church.
At the moment of the rapture there are no believers on earth for a split second.
Believers after the rapture will not be indwelt by the Holey Spirit and will have to believe on simple faith.
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Left behind what?
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What is the tribulation?
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1Thessalonians 4:17 isn’t about a rapture…it’s about the resurrection;
The question is essentially moot.
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Yes
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There is no after the tribulation. That is Judgement day itself and the end of this world. What.is left.is the life to come.
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It would benefit greatly to learn the 3 other main views of end events…you may find them much more credible
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That’s up to them
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Of course. Ther is no pre-trib rapture.
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The Book of Revelation talks about Tribulation Saints. https://www.compellingtruth.org/tribulation-saints.html
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There’s a pre repture,,,those who don’t make it in repture will remain and have go through tribulations,,,We must not confuse ourselves with REPTURE & 2ND COMING,,,these are two different events,,,,,
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there will be believers after the Harpazo, but no church.
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Only if they don’t accept the mark of the beast.
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There is no rapture. This is ridiculous. I’ve seen this so many times on here. I’m not going to get into a lengthy debate again about this. Rapture doctrine is only a couple hundred years old.
If people are taken as in the days of Noah then those are the tares just like the people who were taken by the flood and died. -
that’s for you to know and find out, no pun intended.
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Not a salvific issue, but depends on whether you believe a rapture will occur. I tend to believe it will not.
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What church if the rapture would occur before the tribulation then there’s no church left on this world that time
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Some will survive til the millennial period while others I will martyred
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since NO one has been able to produce ANY Biblical proof to defend any left behinder status, can you at least explain the logistics of it I MEAN churches shut down just because of a small virus – what will happen IF an actual antiChrist is in the White House? Anyone can explain or same ol humanistic logicisms?
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Revelation 1:9, “I John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.”
John speaks of both the Kingdom and tribulation and that he was already a participant in both, along with the saints.
The Lord knows those who are His and at His return none will be forgotten, but each person will receive reward for what has been done while in the body. 2 Corinthians 5:10, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.” ?
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No question about survival, trouble after trouble awaited.
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this starts out on the premise that the rapture is before the tribulation, which is not
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Not without the Holy Spirit. Without the Holy Spirit all is lost
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The Holy Scriptures – when studied – tell us that no true believer in Jesus the Christ shall be left here when the Holy Wrath of God falls upon this corrupted earth. – Romans 5:9
Much more then, being now justified …. by His blood, we will be …. saved from …. God’s wrath (not troubles/tribulation) …. through Him. – https://biblehub.com/topical/w/wrath.htm His Holy Wrath is coming, the Day of the Lord. Amen and Amen. -
Is it true that after the rapture the church will return with jesus why we need to go up the it will go down again?
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Why we need to go up if will go down again
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Without twisting scripture, what did Jesus say in Mat 24, “29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
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To the OP: well yes because left behind is completely wrong
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The Tribulation WILL sort out those who have been left behind
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Not likely, Max Gooche, because the tribulation is going to be unbearable.
And most Christian’s who hope to be raptured are going to get a serious surprise, because modern Christian’s live for themselves. They may go so far as to pray daily and say some mantra over their food and some even go further and warm up the pews for an hour Sundays, but back at home the usual self return and the self us back on the throne.
Christian’s also has forgotten the great command of preaching and reaching out. No one is exempted, not even the person on the deathbed or in a wheelchair. You have a duty to the Father first and then to yourself. Its actually the exact opposite these days.
Even now Christian’s are falling away for simple reasons. During tribulation they would fall away en masse and very very few will be able to endure. -
I agree with this SO much Myvanis Lombard See more from my post about this here A small virus shut down most churches in the world and they are so crippled they can hardly open again HOW is such a weak church open during the Tribulation and save soul? No cant do
(1) for starters: ONLY the ones who take the mark of the Beast (whoever that may be) will not be able to buy or sell. Anything! Food, gas, electricity, water – absolutely nothing.
(2) The pastors will NOT be able to receive salaries, insurance or anything included in their package. Remember, if the church cannot buy or sale, neither can the pastor receive a salary. And even if a salary is given, what would the pastor spend it on without the mark of the beast?
(3) Tithing system – those are most usually set up with a paper check or some sort of electronic banking like debiting or crediting. With the mark of the beast, the church will NOT be able to receive those moneys and even if it does, it cannot operate with them to buy or sell anything.
(4) What about church buildings – without the mark of the beast they will not be able to purchase any service – electricity, lights, internet, gas for church vans, insurance, special events, catering, food – no communion elements. Nothing at all. With no professional services available, a church building may last a few months, but will fall apart soon before the Tribulation is over… Just think about it
(5) Any other church related logistics or operations that depend on the purchase of gasoline and transportation. They way current church infrastructure in America is set up, how many would actually take the time to walk miles and miles to a church?
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Nobody in The Church will be left behind And Nobody in The Church will escape any tribulation period unless those persons are called home
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Brian Lally how do you respond to my 5 points posted above? How would you propose the church to survive according to your theoretical hypothesis which by the way is NOT in the BIBLE The Bible clearly says
Revelation 3:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earthhttp://www.pentecostaltheology.com/why-am-i-not-a-calvinist/
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Go and stay in the wild for a weekend with only that which you can carry with you – or in your own backyard without ever going into the house and decide whether you will have the faith to endure it for years.
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GUY says:
A small virus shut down most churches in the world and they are so crippled they can hardly open again HOW is such a weak church open during the Tribulation and save soul? No cant do
(1) for starters: ONLY the ones who take the mark of the Beast (whoever that may be) will not be able to buy or sell. Anything! Food, gas, electricity, water – absolutely nothing.
(2) The pastors will NOT be able to receive salaries, insurance or anything included in their package. Remember, if the church cannot buy or sale, neither can the pastor receive a salary. And even if a salary is given, what would the pastor spend it on without the mark of the beast?
(3) Tithing system – those are most usually set up with a paper check or some sort of electronic banking like debiting or crediting. With the mark of the beast, the church will NOT be able to receive those moneys and even if it does, it cannot operate with them to buy or sell anything.
(4) What about church buildings – without the mark of the beast they will not be able to purchase any service – electricity, lights, internet, gas for church vans, insurance, special events, catering, food – no communion elements. Nothing at all. With no professional services available, a church building may last a few months, but will fall apart soon before the Tribulation is over… Just think about it
(5) Any other church related logistics or operations that depend on the purchase of gasoline and transportation. They way current church infrastructure in America is set up, how many would actually take the time to walk miles and miles to a church?
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