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I would challenge anyone who believes in the pre-Tribulation rapture to refute these 5 points.
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I hear a lot of argument on this subject. I do not know either way, but the one thing that the Bible says is that all things are possible with God. So I say that it is possible. Thats as far as I debate this topic.
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There are things everyday that are not in the Bible. Im just saying its possible with God. I will not argue with God or question him. I am not qualified, and I haven’t met anyone who is. You can debate with me but my answer will be the same. All things are possible with God.
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I would like to invite everyone to go on YouTube to Alan Horvath and watch his video on Are You Rapture Ready?
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Is there an English version?
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STOP THE DEBATE ON PRE…MID…POST TRIBULATION…….PLEEEEEASE… We are TIRED of All of it!!!!!
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I am planning to leave groups that are debating about pre,mid post rapture discussion. It is just creating confusion it would lead someone to hell to those have weaker faith. Deception is fast and easy. Every idle word you post is nothing hidden from God, you will give a accounts to Him one day. Beware!
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Kyle Hornsey
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No rapture occurring
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The gathering have a great multitude of believers out of the great tribulation to heaven Is in Revelation seven
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pre trib…is coming.
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pretrib is a lie.
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Manarath
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>>>> Really ?
Top 7 Bible verses about the rapture :-
First Thessalonians 4:17 “Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air+, and so we will always be with the Lord. Therefore encourage one another with these words.”
The Greek word for “caught up” is “harpazō” and means “to seize, to carry off by force” or “to snatch away.” Someone who was kidnapped could be said to be caught up or snatched away by force and so this is the Lord’s doing however it is not done against our will because those who have repented and put their trust in Christ have by their own free will chosen to believe in Him (John 3:16). I think Paul wrote this to the Thessalonians to reassure them about those who had already died and they feared that they would miss the Lord’s return or miss out on the kingdom. Paul expressly wrote this to reassure them that the Lord wouldn’t miss any of His when He returns; therefore Paul wanted them to “encourage one another with these words” that he wrote.
First Thessalonians 4:16 “For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.”
This will be hard to miss because when Christ returns again, He “will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel” so this won’t be something that believers will have to worry about missing. His voice will be accompanied with “the trumpet of God” and those who are departed in the faith “will rise first” and then we’ll join them into the entrance of the eternal kingdom of God and that joy will be unparalleled in all of our lives and in human history.
Titus 2:13 “waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.”
Today, those who are in Christ are “waiting for our blessed hope” and that blessed hope is “the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.” Our waiting is not in vain because Jesus promised to come again and there is no doubt that He will (John 14:3). That is why this hope is so “blessed” because it encourages us to endure what we go through in this life and that someday, this will all be behind us and like Paul wrote “I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God” (Rom 8:18-19).
John 14:3 “And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, you may be also.”
Jesus at this very moment is preparing a place for you and me. He has been preparing this place for us since the day we were saved so that when He returns He’ll receive us and where He is, we will be. This place is to descend out of heaven as the New Jerusalem which will then be our place. Since He has prepared or is preparing a place for us and that He will receive us to Himself at that place, we should “rejoice that [our] names are written in heaven” (Luke 10:20).
Matthew 24:30-31 “ Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
Christ will gather those who are His someday. They are the elect of God. Notice that those who Jesus is speaking about are “his” meaning that they are those who have believed in Christ and put their trust in Him. There is no doubt that the Son of Man refers to Jesus Christ. The Son of Man is frequently used when it is speaking about God for the Son of Man is tied to a supernatural being called God. You can read about this in Daniel 7:13-14. Ezekiel used the term Son of Man 93 times and it was sometimes a reference to Ezekiel’s humanity but since Christ is God and Man, the Son of Man in capital letters makes it a proper noun and clearly refers to none other than Jesus Christ.
First Corinthians 15:51-53 “Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.”
Paul was trying to uncover this mystery that had been hidden and that is that not every one of us will be at sleep at Christ’s return. Paul is not talking about a soul sleep but if you read the context of this chapter and the use of the word “sleep” it obviously means those who have died. Paul is telling the church that not every one of us will be sleeping (or dead) when Christ returns but we will be changed instantaneously or in the twinkling of an eye. The dead will rise first and then those of us who are alive at Christ’s return will be changed and we’ll all put on immortality.
Philippians 3:20-21 “But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.” -
Jesus will Rapture near the end
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so much false teaching in this video it’s not worth addressing. A spiritual dwarf made it and only fool would believe it.1. The bible says NOTHING about a secret rapture. If the rapture was a secert, no one would know it was coming!
2. When Jesus comes back, Rev. 19. believers don’t rise to meet Him in the air, we ride with Him! We rose, Rev. 4:1-2 and met Him then.
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Jesus said .. He will come on the last day fr His sheep!
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Second thessalonians says the gathering together won’t happen until the falling away from the faith and the man of sin stands in the rebuilt temple proclaiming to be yahweh God there. Then the gathering together can happen at any given time.
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preTrib is a major false prophecy of our era ….. designed by Satan to make you think you have no need to know how to identify the BEAST.
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Don’t watch the video it’s a lie from A to Z. The devil is the prince of deception. Read your Bible and hold into it
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this is how i refute it. Revelation 3:10
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Diane Sands im related to some Sands. maybe not you i dont know. i am a born again, and on a special mission from Jesus. Would you want to be friends? -
Half knowlege of Biblical teachings or truth is dangerous.Is he talking about the dead in Christ only?But he said we that are alive shall be caught up too.
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This is the problem with these groups…most come on here trying to give their own interpretation of what they think about the rapture and then agrue and even bad mouth fellow believers in Christ…which we all are..I hope…instead of praying about it and asking the Holy Spirit to reveal God’s plan to you…and He will. I’ve had several dreams regarding the rapture without even knowing about pre mid or post views. God showed me in my dreams that we that are faithful will escape…like Jesus promised in Luke
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Luke 21:36 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/luk.21.36.KJVWe might not know the exact day or hour, but we may know the season.
Stop fighting and start praying.
God does not lie!
That is why I am convinced that Jesus will not let His bride be battered…That is why He repeatedly warned the churches to keep the word of His patience so that He can keep us FROM the hour ( 7 year trib) of temptation.You have to understand the whole scripture from Gen – Rev to fully get God’s divine plan for the Jews and the gentiles/ church
You could visit my youtube channel if you want to hear what God showed me.
Here is one of the dreams.God bless
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I hear people talk about two raptures, the first being the 144,000 then another mid term AC when his peace plan falls through?
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Sure we can hope shame it’s not in prophecy
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Demonic!!!!! At its best
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I would challenge anyone who doesn’t believe in the Pre Trib to explain why/how are there Saints in Heaven before the Wrath of Satan comes down????
Revelation 12:10-17 “And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they OVERCAME him by the BLOOD of the LAMB, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13 ¶ And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. -
Christ clearly said in Matthew 24 he will shortened those days for the elect’s sake. If there was a Rapture they will be no Elect to save.. if you want to believe in the Rapture you could twist any part of the scriptures . Christ’s word is clear an final.
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Derrick Holt Please explain how the Tribulation and the wrath is the same yes if the saints are gone. You have it all wrong too. The wrath and the tribulation is not the same. Matter of fact the concept of a great Tribulation as a time period is false and as long as you do not have that right you only add to the confusion which you are trying to correct.
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As per Rev 15 The saved are SAFE in heaven when God’s wrath is poured onto the earth as per Rev 16.
How can a bible believer deny that ? Or fail to see it ?
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John Prewett Now you sound like you know the wrath is different from the wrath. Yes they are in heaven during the wrath. These people who believe in pre trib are mislead because of Dispensationalism which teachers Great Tribulation = Wrath. Please remember that. The argument started because of false doctrine. It is obvious the chruch is in heaven during the wrath Rev 7 as well
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JP: Please read Numbers chapters 13 and 14 about the 12 men Moses sent to spy out the land.
Ten came back and frightened the people by focusing on the size of the inhabitants.
Blessing came to the two who came back and contended that “with the Lord we can take this good land.”
The Revelation allows us to “spy out” the future.
Some choose to focus on potential hardship/persecution.
Some focus on desire to be “raptured” out of problems.We all should want to be among the blessed who will focus on,
and urge others to focus on the wonderful opportunity/promise that is laid before us.Namely: The Rev 20:4 promise that those who faithfully serve Christ unto death during reign of beast
will “reign with Christ”
“I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.”
Philippians 4:13
Numbers 13-14 record Mose’s sent 12 spys into the promised land.
10 spies came back and told the people about how big and strong the inhabitants were. 2 came back and told the people that since God was with them, they would prevail. Via the Revelation, we are enabled to see into the future. Some focus on the the alleged horrors of being on earth during the reign of the “beast.” They conjure up a false promise of being whisked away prior to the reign of the “beast.” Those/we who end up REIGNING WITH CHRIST as per Rev 20:4 are saints who were NOT “raptured” prior to reign of “Beast.” But rather were martyred.
We should hope and aspire to be among the following saved:
2 And I saw something like a sea of glass mixed with fire, and those who had been victorious over the beast and his image and the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, holding harps of God. Rev 15:2They were not “raptured”. They were “VICTORIOUS OVER THE BEAST” as Jesus, by going to the cross, was VICTORIOUS over Satan.
“Righteous are You, who are and who were, O Holy One, because You judged these things; 6 for they poured out the blood of saints and prophets, and You have given them blood to drink. They deserve it.”
Rev 16They POURED OUT THE BLOOD OF SAINTS AND PROPHETS,…..
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There is no rapture the day that Jesus Christ comes back then those people will be taken up into heaven
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We will be judged after all has happened
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Christ in us is the outcome believers covet after, thus we cognitively serve God in Christ’s covenant, as perfect environment to be restored to His image and likeness thru stewardship and priesthood, that perfect His body in unity of faith and unfeigned love of charity, to be the flowers God pick for His table and fruit bearing trees for Gods garden, bcz texts and Moses’ law leave souls fruitless and empty only suitable as wood for Gods tribulation fire, while His bride blossom in covenant truth as rapture ready. #s8w
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Then first take us through the doctrine of rapture step by step until you expose how you reached the statement that you have just posted here verse by verse
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Matthew 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation” of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And “then” shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and “then” shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall “send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet”, and “they shall gather together his elect” from “the four winds”, from “one end of heaven to the other”.
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If the whole tribulation is not the wrath of God then why does it say that he would send a strong delusion that they would believe a lie and be dammed
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The coming of the Son of Man takes place after the sixth seal is opened. Appearing of the word of God takes place after the seventh bowl is poured out. Two different events Jesus will accomplish during his second coming
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But he that shall “endure unto the end”, the same shall be saved.
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English please
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