Question to everyone.
Genesis 1-26
GOD say let US make man in our image and likeness ….who was he taking to/with ,when he used the word Let US ?
Discussion
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Himself. “Elohim”
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Jesus
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
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He was talking to the three…us refers to God the father, God the son, and God the Holy Spirit….
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The Angel’s, and the Son.
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The King James Version is written in “Old English.” God is talking about Himself. Using “Us” or “We” in times past was often used in reference to royalty. Queen Victoria of England was quoted as saying, “We are not amused,” when she was talking about herself.
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If you read Dr Michael Heiser’s ‘The Unseen Realm’, it references scripture re. The divine counsil. Psalm 82, other gods (little g) aka elohim.
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The Son AND the HS
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Father,Word, Holy Spirit
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The Triune God of creation
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The trinity. Ie: himself/themself
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It is the Father speaking to the divine council. What people need to realise is that Elohim in the OT is not only used of a singular deity. It can also refer to beings that inhabit a spiritual plane.
That the Father was using “royal we” argument is bogus. We know that at least three entities were involved with creation – the Father, the Word and the Spirit of God.
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Consider that image. Then consider we are spirit, soul and body.
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According to people like Michael Heiser, it was the heavenly host.
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He was talking to The Word and The Holy Spirit
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God, Spirit, Son…..since God is triune, He is referring to the fact that the God, Spirit and Son, all 3, were the creators.
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The triune: Father, Son, Holy Spirit
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He was talking about he self, Jesus and the Holy Spirit
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The Triune God, the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit..
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It’s a blessing to have this conversation with all of you it’s fare to say that we all believe in the Father ,son and the Holy Spirit ,thank you all for your input it’s a blessing keep praying for each other and stay safe in this time that we are going through God will see us through.
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Read Job 38: 1-8.. It gives a key as well,
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That is why Jesus commanded us to love one another. GOD is God of relationship and fellowship because He himself is relationship… He himself is fellowship. It is natural for human beings to crave fellowship with other human beings because we are created in His image. That is a strong proof of our triune God.
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Himself.
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Trinity
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It’s a conversation within the Trinity. God the Father is having a “conversation” with God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. The Old Testament hints at the plurality of God, and the New Testament clarifies this plurality with the doctrine of the Trinity. Obviously, there is no way we can fully understand how this works, but God has given us enough information to know that He does exist in three Persons—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
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God The Father And In God The Son, In John 1:1-3
In The Beginning was the Word, And The Word Was With God. He Was With God In The Beginning. Through Him All Things Were Made; Without Him Nothing Was Made. -
Colossians 1:15-20
He is the image of the invisible God, The Firstborn Over All Creation. For By Him All Things Were Created: Things In Heaven And On Earth, Visible And Invisible, Whether Thrones Or Powers Or Rulers Or Authorites; All Things Were Created By Him And For Him. He Is Before All Things, And In Him All Things Hold Together. And He Is The Head Of The Body, The Church; He Is The Beginning And The Firstborn From Among The Dead, So That In Every Thing He Might Have The Supremacy. For God Was Pleased To Have All His Fullness Dwell In Him, And Through Him To Reconcile To Himself All Things, Whether Things On Earth Or Things In Heaven, By Making Peace Through His Blood, Shed On The Cross. -
The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit created the heavens and earth together and stood as ONE TRIUNE GOD.
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He was speaking to Jesus and the holy spirit.
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Ever wonder what God was doing before He made the earth the focus of His attention. The bible says that the Spirit (God) moved upon the water and the earth was without form and void. Is it possible that other created beings angels and others went through the same type of process we are maybe from other solar systems. Also in his image doesn’t mean as a man / woman ,white /black / red/yellow , I think it means holy without sinful nature and after the fall we became evil in our thoughts and desires. When we get to the New Testament to beat His image is to live holy. Without holiness no one will see God. Hebrews 12:14
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I really do not think that is correct.
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He was talking to Us. And They were talking to Him. And They are One in Him. And He is All of Them in One. And They are Almighty God. And He is Lord God, Jesus Immanuel Christ and Holy Spirit.
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It is obvious the Holy Trinity were having conversations.
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The Divine Council-
Psalms 82
A Psalm of Asaph. -God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment:Psalms 89:5-7
….in the assembly of the holy ones! For who in the skies can be compared to the Lord? Who among the heavenly beings is like the Lord, a God greatly to be feared in the council of the holy ones,Deuteronomy 32:8-9
When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God -
The Son and the spirit.
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God the Father God the Son God the Holy Spirit
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Trinity or Not
If the authors of the Bible believed that God was multi-personal, then we would expect to find that they would write about God in such a way as to indicate this idea to their readers. Thus, we must ask, “What would we expect to find in the Bible if its authors believed that God was multi-personal?”
On the other hand, if the authors of the Bible believed that God was only one person, i.e. they were classic Unitarians, then they would write about God in such a way as to indicate that idea. Thus, we are also warranted to ask, “What would we expect to find in the Bible, if Unitarians wrote it?”
I use the term “Unitarian” in its generic sense for anyone who denies the Trinity because he believes that God is only one person. This would include Jews, Muslims, Arians, and Modalists.
Diving into the Old Testament (OT), I’d like to examine the Hebrew text keeping in mind the basic question, “What must be in order for what is to be what it is?”
The first question is how did the biblical authors, under the inspiration of God, conceive of the oneness of God? There are nine different Hebrew words which at times are translated as the word “one.”
Two of those words, which are sometimes translated “one” are also “man” and “woman” and are never applied to God. Since God is not a man or woman, this is what we would expect to find. The same applies to the word “soul” which is translated “one” on occasion but is never used to speak of the oneness of God.
The question I ask myself if Unitarians wrote the Bible, which of these 9 words would they use to apply to God? Out of the 9 Hebrew words, there is only one word that would indicate that God is one solitary person. If this word were applied to God in the Bible, it would be very damaging to the Trinitarian position. This word is יָחִיד (yä·khēd’) and means a solitary oneness. This is the general meaning of this word throughout Scripture.
Unitarians would expect to find yä·khēd’ applied to God in the Bible; Trinitarians would not.
What do we find when we open the Bible? The authors of Scripture never apply yä·khēd’ to God. They never describe God as a solitary person. This alone is extremely damaging to the Unitarian position.
In the list of Hebrew word that speak of oneness, the word אֶחָד (ekh·äd’) refers to a compound oneness in which a number of things together are described as “one.” So which position would use the word ekh·äd’ the Unitarian or Trinitarian position? A Unitarian would never apply ekh·äd’ to God because it means a compound oneness. If the authors of the Scriptures believed that God was multi-personal, then we would expect to find that they would apply ekh·äd’ to God because this would mean that God is “one” in a composite or compound sense. In fact, ekh·äd’ is the only Hebrew word available that can be used to express this.
When we open the Bible, we find ekh·äd’ applied to God. This is so central to the Old Testament concept of God that it is found in Israel’s Great Confession:
שְׁמַע, יִשְׂרָאֵל: יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ, יְהוָה אֶחָד.
“Hear, O Israel, [Yahweh] our God, Yahweh is one!” Deuteronomy 6:4.
The use of ekh·äd’ in Deut. 6:4 is exactly what Trinitarians expect to find in the Bible because it is the only way in the Hebrew language to indicate to the reader that God is a composite unity of several persons and not just a solitary person.
The next logical question that follows is, how can this be the true understanding of ekh·äd’ when the Jews today reject the doctrine of the Trinity? For this, I’ll turn to the Hebrew scholar David Cooper.
“Prior to the days of Moses Maimonides, the unity of God was expressed by ekh·äd’ which as has been proved beyond a doubt, has as its primary meaning that of a compound unity. Maimonides, who drafted the thirteen articles of faith, in the second one, sets forth the unity of God, using the word yä·khēd’ which in the Tenach is never used to express God’s unity. From these facts, it is evident that a new idea was injected into this confession by substituting yä·khēd’ which in every passage carries the primary idea of oneness in the absolute sense for ekh·äd’ which primarily means a compound unity. Hence from the days of Maimonides on, an interpretation different from the ancient one was placed upon this most important passage” David L. Cooper, The Eternal God Revealing Himself(Harrisburg: Evangelical press, 1928), pp 59-60.Here’s more good lessons
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He was talking to Himself, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
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Proof of the trinity
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Here’s a different answer. He was addressing his divine council made up of devine beings aka the Sons of God. Comments? Be polite.
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God bless you all. Hebrews 6:13
[13]For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,I hope this scripture will help you.
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Thats one prove that trinity is true… The God the father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit…because angels cannot create..
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Holy Trinity
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Is this a trick question?
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This was a conversation within the Godhead. Gen. 1:26 reveals that God was not alone before He created mankind. He created because He wanted to reveal His glory.
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Jesus. All things were made by and through him.
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For I am Yahweh, your God,
the holy one of Israel, your savior.
I give you Egypt as ransom,
Cush and Seba in place of you.
4 Because you are precious in my eyes,
you are honored, and I myself love you,
and I give people in place of you,
and nations in place of your life.
5 You must not fear,
for I am with you.
I will bring your ⌊offspring⌋ from the east,
and I will gather you from the west.
6 I will say to the north, ‘Give!’
and to the south, ‘You must not withhold!’
Bring my sons from far away,
and my daughters from the end of the earth—
7 everyone who is called by my name,
and whom I created for my glory,
whom I formed,
indeed whom I made.”8 Bring out the people blind yet with eyes,
and deaf, though they have ears.
9 Let all the nations gather together,
and let the peoples assemble.
Who among them has declared this,
and ⌊declared⌋ the former things to us?
Let them bring their witnesses, that they may be in the right,
and let them hear and say, “It is true!”
10 “You are my witnesses,” ⌊declares⌋ Yahweh,
“and my servant whom I have chosen
so that you may know and believe ⌊in⌋ me
and understand that I am he.
No god was formed before ⌊me⌋,
and none shall be after me.
11 I myself am Yahweh,
and there is no savior besides me!
12 I myself declared and saved,
and I ⌊proclaimed⌋. And there was no ⌊strange god⌋ among you.
And you are my witnesses,” ⌊declares⌋ Yahweh,
“and I am God.
13 Indeed, from this day I am the one,
and no one can deliver from my hand.
I perform, and who can ⌊cancel it⌋?”Isaiah 43:3-13
Yahweh the Only God
6 Thus says Yahweh, the king of Israel,
and its redeemer, Yahweh of hosts:
“I am the first, and I am the last,
and there is no god besides me.
7 And who is like me? Let him proclaim it!
And let him declare it and set it in order for me
⌊since I established an eternal people⌋ and things that are to come,
and let them tell them the things that are coming.
8 You must not tremble,
and you must not be paralyzed with fear.
Have I not made you hear from of old
and declared it, and you are my witnesses?
Is there a god besides me?
And there is no rock! I know none!”Isaiah 44:6-8
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Since the Bible does not specifically say then all we can do is speculate. And we always speculate in the direction we already believe. So maybe he was talking to the angels. Just because the physical realm was not made yet does not mean the spiritual realm was not
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13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”
14 Blessed are the ones who wash their robes, so that their authority will be over the tree of life and they may enter into the city through the gates. 15 Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the sexually immoral people and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone who loves and who practices falsehood.
16 “I, Jesus, sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”Revelation 22:13-16
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God referred to himself as “us” because he is working as 3 entities. The father, son and holy spirit..
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