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What glory does God get from bringing creatures into existence…

6 years ago • January 11, 2021 • by ourCOG

What glory does God get from bringing creatures into existence that He knows will do evil and suffer in torment for all eternity? How does that display God’s justice? Or His love?

Is it that even though God sees our future actions He has no choice but to create us? That He must do what He foresaw Himself doing?

Further still, it needs to be considered that our actions do not happen in a random fashion, with no rhyme or reason. Simply by chance.

There are reasons behind every choice and decision we make. And just as we did not choose to exist, and all that springs from that event, we also did not choose the reasons that would determine our choices and decisions.

Everything we are and do is a consequence and result of all prior events that led to our existence. And according to theology we are part of a grand purpose and plan whose ultimate author is God.

According to Scripture no one will boast in heaven and say, “I did it.” We must then assume that all those in hell will say, “I did it.”

“Free will carried many a soul to hell, but never a soul to heaven.”
– Charles Spurgeon

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10 comments

  1. Ugo Torcasio says:
    May 20, 2020 at 2:51 am

    He created us out of love. He knew evil would exist alongside free will. The other option is to never have created us.

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  2. Dominic Herrendoefer says:
    May 20, 2020 at 3:31 am

    If God is a God of love then He definately knows the opposite. Everytime i blame God my consciousness convicts me, it tells me i have/had a choice. God is love and love is God, i understand a tiny fraction of God’s love, and that is to love my neighbour.

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  3. Savenaca Seruvatu says:
    May 20, 2020 at 4:51 am

    My spirit says, that because of God’s great love for man, HE gave us the greatest gift of all which is free will, to prove HIS undying love for us but in another way would lead man to his own self destruction.

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  4. Zach Payne says:
    May 20, 2020 at 6:05 am

    I think about Judas, Solomon (who forgot to WALK with God), and many others in the bible where certain events would not have come about if these people didn’t exist. Both of those people are crucial in God’s plan for Jesus. Honestly I’m ok with all the old testament actions and letting evil people be born because it all fell according to his plan of bringing Jesus to us and letting him be the ultimate atonement for our sins. In that situation any means are justified.

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  5. Francis Jesulobatemi says:
    May 20, 2020 at 9:42 am

    The problem is you put God at the same level with man. you will always stumble at that. there are a thousand things you don’t know about God simply because he existed before you. you are not up to 100 yet in age. sir what can you know. Even though God is omni- everything he has wired the whole creation into laws and principles and throughout the Bible he has operated by this principles except when he needs to intervene and then miracle comes in and though he is the creator he would rather everything goes in order as he said in 1 Corinthians.
    Don’t forget man is not his only creation. There are other beings seen and unseen and all this things must work together.
    You go with his principles and you will be alright.

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  6. Larry Koester says:
    May 20, 2020 at 10:34 am

    Is it our place to judge God in his love or justice, considering human history. Definitely not!

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  7. Shane Dulay says:
    May 20, 2020 at 1:25 pm

    There can only be love when there is freedom of will. Evil and suffering befall the whole of creation but God can redeem.

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  8. Arthur Adam Haglund says:
    May 20, 2020 at 5:47 pm

    This is an old and tired argument that just will not die. Do you have children? If so you know that they would die someday so why did you have them? You know that their lives would not be perfect and bad things would happen to them. So why did you have them? You ever bought anything new? You know it won’t stay new forever. It will wear out or break. So why did you buy it? On and on it goes knowing the end of a thing doesn’t mean that there’s no value in having it. And when it comes to Free Will creatures knowing that one will eventually refuse to accept Christ as Savior that during their lives they will commit thousands upon thousands of sins and greeting them anyway it doesn’t matter what their end is there not being created for that end they are being created with freedom so they don’t have to have that end.

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  9. John Carson says:
    May 21, 2020 at 5:39 pm

    All that God does is for His glory.

    “Holy, holy, holy is the LORD of hosts; the whole earth is full of his glory!” (Isaiah 6:3)

    “For My own sake, for My own sake I do it, for how should My name be profaned?” (Isaiah 48:11)

    God’s holiness on display is called glory. God’s purposes revealed will in turn bring Him glory.

    Proverbs 16:4, “The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.”

    God is glorified through revealing His patience….

    “For the righteousness of God is REVEALED in the gospel from faith to faith, just as it is written, “The righteous by faith will live.” (Romans 1:17, see also 9:22 and Isaiah 48:9)

    God is glorified through revealing His wrath….

    For the wrath of God is REVEALED from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of people who suppress the truth by their unrighteousness,” (Romans 1:18)

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