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I’ve heard many times from atheists, homosexuals and critics of…

3 years ago • February 8, 2023 • by ourCOG

I’ve heard many times from atheists, homosexuals and critics of God how Christians are unjustified in their moral objection to Homosexuality.
Their argument goes something like this: “if I want to be in a sexual relationship with someone of the same gender, I can and there’s nothing wrong with it because Morality is relative, just because it’s bad to you doesn’t mean it’s bad to me. Besides, who I’m sexually attracted to isn’t a harm to anyone.”

That’s a logical statement. You’re extremely right; if you don’t agree or believe in Gods law that homosexuality is an abomination; you’re justified in determining what’s right and what’s wrong by your standards; morality is relative to you. But I disagree that your relative morality doesn’t harm anyone, why?
Because its a slippery slope, you see; you can determine what’s right and wrong by the standards of your relative morality, but so can necrophiliacs, So can pedophiles, so can people that have sexual fetishes towards animals.

The door is open for anything sexual actually.. For a purely educational purpose, if you’re interested in psychology look up “scariest sexual fetishes”. There’s layers to the depths of sexual immorality; when the boundaries God placed are breached things can get scary; you’d be surprised how sick the human mind can be. So it’s fine if you justify your morality exclusively to yourself, but remember; with that logic you must respect the relative morality of others even if they’re sexually attracted to children, babies or dead people.

Think about that next time you call a Christian “judgmental” for standing up for God’s objective moral laws, which is the only justifiable way to object abominable practices dangerous to the human race.

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  1. Adam Monty says:
    May 10, 2020 at 4:33 am

    Your entire post is about a Slippery slope which is a fallacy.

    Therefore your entire argument is fallacious.

    Next.

    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope

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  2. Adam Monty says:
    May 10, 2020 at 4:42 am

    “why?
    Because its a slippery slope, you see; you can determine what’s right and wrong by the standards of your relative morality, but so can necrophiliacs.. So can pedophiles, so can people which have sexual fetishes towards animals.

    The door is open for anything sexual actually.. For a purely educational purpose, if you’re interested in psychology look up “scariest sexual fetishes”. There’s layers to the depths of sexual immorality; when the boundaries God placed are breached things can get scary; you’d be surprised how sick the human mind can be. So it’s fine if you justify your morality exclusively to yourself, but remember; with that logic you must respect the relative morality of others even if they’re sexually attracted to children, babies or dead people.

    Think about that next time you call a Christian “judgement” for standing up for God’s objective moral laws, which is the only justifiable way to object abominable practices dangerous to the human race.”

    That is a slippery slope argument. You even named it so. And therefore your entire argument is fallacious.

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  3. Adam Monty says:
    May 10, 2020 at 4:42 am

    slippery slope
    You said that if we allow A to happen, then Z will eventually happen too, therefore A should not happen.
    The problem with this reasoning is that it avoids engaging with the issue at hand, and instead shifts attention to extreme hypotheticals. Because no proof is presented to show that such extreme hypotheticals will in fact occur, this fallacy has the form of an appeal to emotion fallacy by leveraging fear. In effect the argument at hand is unfairly tainted by unsubstantiated conjecture.
    Example: Colin Closet asserts that if we allow same-sex couples to marry, then the next thing we know we’ll be allowing people to marry their parents, their cars and even monkeys.

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  4. Adam Monty says:
    May 10, 2020 at 4:43 am

    If you allow gays to marriage and have sex then pedophiles will eventually be allowed to marry a 4 year old.

    Fallacy.

    Next.

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  5. Adam Monty says:
    May 10, 2020 at 4:53 am

    https://www.txstate.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Slippery-Slope.html

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  6. Adam Monty says:
    May 10, 2020 at 4:53 am

    In a slippery slope argument, a course of action is rejected because, with little or no evidence, one insists that it will lead to a chain reaction resulting in an undesirable end or ends. The slippery slope involves an acceptance of a succession of events without direct evidence that this course of events will happen.

    Example:

    We can’t permit the sale of marijuana by doctor’s prescription, because that will lead people to believe it’s an acceptable drug; this will open the floodgates to the complete legalization of the drug for use by every pothead in the country.
    Today late for ten minutes, tomorrow late for an hour, and then someday you will simply cease to show up.
    Earlier this year in New York, a cop killed a pedestrian on the following reasoning: Oh! Here is a man who is scratching his head in public. He is so rude! Next he will pick his nose. Then when he gets on the bus, he will put his germs on the handrail. The next moment an inadvertent child’s mouth will touch it. And then the child will get sick. Then, his whole family will get sick as well. There will be an outbreak of disease in the city! The cop could not bear thinking any further, and fired his gun.
    People who drink more than six alcoholic beverages a day are more likely to have health problems than people who do not drink alcohol. After one drink, people lose their ability to make good decisions and end up drinking more and more until they are drinking more than six drinks each day. Therefore, all consumption of alcohol should be banned.
    If Texas adopts a personal income tax, I’m moving away. An income tax at the state level is just a first step to communism.
    If we legalize pot, then that will lead to every drug in the world becoming legal. I’ll vote no on Proposition 34.
    I don’t think it’s a good idea to lower the drinking age. Next thing we know kids will get to drive at age ten, and vote at fifteen. Let kids be kids and adults be adults.
    Juan: I knew he was a dishonorable government official all along and now I can prove it. Maria: How? Juan: Well, he admitted that as a prisoner of war in Vietnam he continually lied to his captors. Maria: Yeah, he should have. Juan: Sure, most people think that you can justify lies that protect your country in wartime. But then, of course, lying could be justified to protect your country in times of peace. Then, government officials become capable of justifying lying about all their activities. Now you can be sure that since he is accomplished at justifying his lies, he tells lies whenever he feels like it. Now, we can never trust a thing he says.
    Today, women want the vote. Tomorrow, they’ll want to be doctors and lawyers, and then combat soldiers. Give them that, and before long, they’ll insist on taking the initiative in sex. If you want to protect the very meaning of masculinity, you must deny them suffrage.
    First we loosen up the laws against abortion. Next, mark my words; we’ll take seriously the option of infanticide in certain severe cases. And this will lead us to look with favor on euthanasia for those we deem social deviants

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  7. Adam Monty says:
    May 10, 2020 at 4:56 am

    https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/4024/whats-so-fallacious-about-the-slippery-slope-fallacy

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  8. Jason Chiew says:
    May 10, 2020 at 4:57 am

    Interesting

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  9. Adam Monty says:
    May 10, 2020 at 4:57 am

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/slippery-slope-argument

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  10. Adam Monty says:
    May 10, 2020 at 4:59 am

    Isaic Kirby here is a video from a Cambridge graduate explaining how the slippery slope argument is fallacious

    https://www.khanacademy.org/partner-content/wi-phi/wiphi-critical-thinking/wiphi-fallacies/v/slippery-slope-critical-thinking-fallacies-wireless-philosophy

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  11. Adam Monty says:
    May 10, 2020 at 5:03 am

    The entire post is about a slippery slope.

    If you let gays have sex and get married then:

    Necrophilia
    Pedophila
    Etc etc

    This is a hypothetical scenario. It is fallacious. You cannot know this would happen.

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  12. Adam Monty says:
    May 10, 2020 at 5:06 am

    The point is, it is none of anyone’s business what two consenting adults do in the bedroom.

    The rules of your religion is for you only.

    For example, it is (or was) illegal to have chewing gum in public in Singapore.

    That’s fantastic. But I don’t care. I don’t live there. Those rules don’t apply to me.

    Muslims are not allowed to eat pork or drink alcohol. Poor them. That doesn’t affect me or anyone that isn’t a Muslim.

    Ditto for your Christian laws and morality.

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  13. Percious Marak says:
    May 10, 2020 at 5:09 am

    I don’t want any intellectual argument on this subject. What God says ‘abomination’ is abomination. What He says ‘sin’ is sin. It’s up to you guys.

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  14. Jake Sullivan says:
    May 10, 2020 at 5:23 am

    Adam Monty Not all slippery slopes are fallacious.

    https://youtu.be/g8GIPwJXyWk

    He’s not suggesting that permitting these things will create those other things. He’s saying that permitting these things precludes the ability to speak against those other things ***when*** they happen. PS, they already are.

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  15. Adam Monty says:
    May 10, 2020 at 5:31 am

    Correct, not all are, but in General, most are.

    Using the Bible as a standard is subjective itself.

    You choose to use the Bible as a standard. When you want to know whether an action is moral or immoral, you grab that dusty old book. That is a subjective choice.

    If someone uses another standard, say the Quran or humanism, that choice is also subjective.

    The difference is whether the subjective choice is static or dynamic.

    Static being the Quran or bible. It is no longer revised. Where as humanism is dynamic.

    Regardless, we all have opinions. Your opinion is that homosexually is immoral. That opinion is based on the Bible.

    My opinion is that homosexuality is neither moral nor immoral. It’s just natural.

    The fact that someone uses a static subjective standard doesn’t mean that others who don’t, have no grounds to an opinion.

    Is a rose moral or immoral?

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  16. Ann Katrin says:
    May 10, 2020 at 5:43 am

    Sola scriptura. Hear what the Bible says.

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  17. Dakota Ann says:
    May 10, 2020 at 7:11 am

    Still shouldn’t judge, thats not our place, recognizing a sin is different. Hate the sin, lover the sinner ♡

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  18. Lorna Isaacs says:
    May 10, 2020 at 7:34 am

    The Bible speaks.Romans 1:24,26,27.Abomination 1 Kings 14:24.

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  19. Kane Jackson says:
    May 10, 2020 at 8:22 am

    Adam Monty claiming Slippery Slope to be a fallacious argument is either naive or intellectually dishonest. Human behavior has proved this concept be true over centuries of empirical psychological data. If we as a society do not set boundaries on behavior humans will do whatever ever satisfies their immediate pleasure. This is why we don’t let children do whatever they please. We have all seen the ramifications of children who are given no boundaries. They become sociopaths who do whatever they feel is right to them.

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  20. Argentino PowtotheChow Escuyos says:
    May 10, 2020 at 9:13 am

    Homosexuality is a sin and God says it is wrong.

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  21. Brandon Fertig says:
    May 10, 2020 at 9:19 am

    What’s the argument here? I don’t get it.

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  22. Ralph Anthony says:
    May 10, 2020 at 9:35 am

    Soon the next phase of the LGBTQ agenda will be to lower the age of consent. NAMBLA

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  23. Jay Zeke Malakai says:
    May 10, 2020 at 9:52 am

    Those who think morality is relative are unable to call Christians wrong, simply because if morality is relative, it can’t be

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  24. Adam Monty says:
    May 10, 2020 at 9:54 am

    Sure they can call it wrong according to their own standard

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  25. Markus Ramchiary says:
    May 10, 2020 at 10:20 am

    I think man and women sexing is like pen and cap, not pen and pen or no cap and cap like lesbians, it makes sense.

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  26. Robert Curran says:
    May 10, 2020 at 12:37 pm

    Traditional marriage values is beneficial for public welfare. Homosexual behavior is destructive for public welfare. We should only endorse behaviors that are beneficial and restrain behaviors that are destructive.

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  27. Fred Galvez says:
    May 10, 2020 at 12:44 pm

    homosexual orientation isn’t in itself sinful , only the choice to exercise it , much iike heterosexuals who choose promiscuity .. but its the way it is we all have our” thorns in the flesh “

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  28. K'Mari A. McClean says:
    May 10, 2020 at 12:49 pm

    I’ve tried to say this to many, but to no avail. As long as we stand strong with God’s word and his statutes then the day will come when people see this.

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  29. Tine Ebo says:
    May 10, 2020 at 1:15 pm

    But understand this: In the last days terrible times will come. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, without love of good, traitorous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. Turn away from such as these! They are the kind who worm their way into households and captivate vulnerable women weighed down with sins and led astray by various passions, always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. (2 Timothy 3:1-7, Berean Study Bible)

    You will know real Christians by the fruit that they bear. Stay strong, Isaic. God sees you. Continue to follow His commands. God delights in obedience more than sacrifice.

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  30. Simon Yew says:
    May 10, 2020 at 1:19 pm

    God see things more than we can see. I started to understand why God said what he said. It is more to do with the consequence of our action lead to more sorrow and regret in the future. Right now the more you let Homosexual relationship become norm, those people have pride that may lead them to persecute the church and end someone’s career because of their belief. See Colorado baker who got multiple lawsuit after he won his cases. In the future you will see them murder believers because of all the hate and misunderstood the word of God. When will this end? People with evil thoughts will always carry out evil intent. Regardless if you think it is ok, they will use this to go against you. First they slowly corrupt the government and government will protect them. At the end we will be persecuted for speaking up. God use Sodom and Gomorrah as warning. If you don’t see this and realized the consequence for not speaking up, don’t expect any mercy when those evil people use it against you.

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  31. James Nellis says:
    May 10, 2020 at 1:19 pm

    We try to justify our wants God’s word should be final

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  32. Kathy DeVoss says:
    May 10, 2020 at 2:04 pm

    Romans 1:24-32. It is not the person but the practice
    Sin is sin and it all separates us from God

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  33. Toby Nobel says:
    May 10, 2020 at 3:58 pm

    I never understood why people think that *only* religion is against homosexuality, but in it’s most basic form, how would the human species propagate itself if we all turned homosexual, would that not be an “evolution” concern?

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  34. John Delmore says:
    May 10, 2020 at 5:10 pm

    Slippery slope is a logical fallacy.

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  35. Jerry Spencer says:
    May 10, 2020 at 5:43 pm

    Why did the Hebrew people fear homosexuality?

    Because it was different or unusual?

    Why would a God worry about it?

    Why would he care?

    All sexual activities have there problems, so what’s the issue?

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  36. Andrew Molvar says:
    May 10, 2020 at 7:08 pm

    There’s something wrong with you, Isaic.

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  37. Nathan Beech says:
    May 10, 2020 at 7:15 pm

    Jesus didn’t come to bring morality, but righteousness. Let’s point people to Christ, that’s the Biblical way

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  38. Carl Bedford says:
    May 10, 2020 at 9:14 pm

    Correct. Yet mans depravity knows no bounds. Not for the Lords intervention soon, we would all perish.

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  39. Adam Monty says:
    May 10, 2020 at 9:16 pm

    Sigh.

    The rules of the bible ONLY apply to those that profess that faith.

    Anyone that doesn’t subscribe to that faith is not bound to those rules.

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  40. Yosef Shum says:
    May 11, 2020 at 2:07 am

    Everyone has fetishes. I have mine you have yours. Doesn’t mean I’m a deviant …well I might be but not everyone. 🙂

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  41. Victoria Petersen says:
    May 11, 2020 at 4:05 am

    I find this topic to be a tricky one. As a christian I can see the bible condemns it. But I have a family member who is gay. So I am torn. Would God really send her to hell if she is/was a born again Christian? Who am I to say she wasn’t born that way? If she feels she was? Some people believe that we cannot loose our salvation. For example the sinners highlighted in the bible that will not inheret the kingdom of God? Liars fornicators adulterers etc. It is never taught nowadays that a divorced christian is going to hell. Or if I am a Christian and I lie to someone, am I considered a liar that will not inherit the kingdom of God? Or has my faith in christ removed the “label”? ( liar, adulterer etc) I wonder if that applies to homosexuality aswell. Just a thought. I hope that makes some sense.

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  42. Dominic Polverino says:
    May 11, 2020 at 7:39 am

    Well said amen

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  43. Kubowaki Julia says:
    May 11, 2020 at 8:14 am

    Your body is a Temple of the Holy Spirit not to be defile,is not a house of pleasure

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  44. Yvonne McCleod says:
    May 11, 2020 at 1:22 pm

    People of the world have a view they don’t have to obey God, believers have a different view we must obey God, if I had my way there would be no sin sexual sin would not exist do what you want, murder would be no sin someone hurt you kill them, never have to be honest hate your parents etc. Oh I just realized these are the ten commandments of the world glad I gave them up to follow the commandments of God.

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  45. Madison Willoughby says:
    May 11, 2020 at 9:04 pm

    I find the OP pic offensive and unnecessary to the OP itself.

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  46. Ava Reyes says:
    May 11, 2020 at 10:19 pm

    You can’t possibly be trying to compare what two consenting adults who love each other do, to the rape of an innocent child.

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  47. Thato Masiu says:
    May 11, 2020 at 11:57 pm

    Homosexuality: Science proves like charges repel. Omniscience proves like charges rebel. Let us recharge our conscience and repent.

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  48. Eddie Jessup says:
    May 12, 2020 at 4:34 pm
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  49. Blake Long says:
    May 13, 2020 at 12:58 pm

    Moral relativism can also be taken beyond the scope of sexuality. The idea of “what’s wrong for you isn’t wrong for me” doesn’t stand. I think everyone would agree that murder is objectively wrong. I can’t imagine a person saying, “Well just because I think murder is evil doesn’t mean that it’s evil for you.”

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  50. Mark Jones says:
    May 15, 2020 at 5:30 am

    Coming into this post a bit late … one of the more common objections seems to be that only Christians are expected to follow God’s law.

    This in reality is not the case. God’s law is for everyone, not just those who follow God. People choose to reject that law, but they will still be judged by it. Someone used chewing gum as an example on this, so I’ll use it to. Where I live in the UK, it is legal to chew gum, however in Singapore it isn’t. If I go to Singapore and chew gum and am subsequently arrested, I couldn’t use the defence of “I’m English, so I can chew gum” as while I’m in Singapore I’m held to the laws of the land. It is the same with God’s law, God’s law is for the entire world (as the world is God’s creation), therefore it doesn’t matter if you believe in God or not, as you are a creation of God’s and an inhabitant of His creation (earth) you are beholden to the laws He has created for those living on the earth. You will be judged by the standards of the lawmaker. No matter whether you believe in the lawmaker or not.

    In terms of this being a “slippery slope” fallacy. Just because someone uses the words slippery slope doesn’t mean they are committing the fallacy. If that were the case then everyone who utters terms like ad-hominem or straw man would be committing those fallacies by simply uttering that verbiage. That in reality doesn’t work, and frankly it sounds like a poor attempt to dodge the issue. If you claim it’s a logical fallacy then you don’t have to address the issue, it can just be written off. It’s a poor attempt at trickery on the part of those playing that card.

    In terms of the objection from Ava. The post from Isaic doesn’t actually draw a comparison between two consenting adults or rape. Therefore your objection isn’t relevant to the issue being raised. The subject is subjective morality … homosexuality here is an example being used to highlight the problems of holding to a subjective morality. Plus, from a Biblical aspect, the statements we have on homosexuality don’t draw a distinction as the verbiage in both the Hebrew and the Greek refer to people who have sex with others of the same gender.

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