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In Christianity they typically teach that Jews think that Isaiah 53 is a forbidden chapter which is not spoken of. Here’s a little 14-minute video to give you some insight.
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You really need to hear what Dr. Michael Brown has to say on these matters. I will admit that the Christian approach lacks understanding on these subjects. But read Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus volumes 1, 2 and 3 by Dr. Michael Brown.
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There is one thing you cannot get away from the. Messiah had to come during the time of the second temple, before it was destroyed by Titus in 70 a.d. air is clearly prophesied by Daniel when he said, “the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.” Also, look at this, “Save us, we pray, O Lord! O Lord, we pray, give us success! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! We bless you from the house of the Lord.”
Psalms 118:25-26 ESV. The house of the Lord is clearly a reference to the temple. How can his name be blessed from the house of the Lord if it isn’t here?I’m not trying to argue to you that Jesus is the Messiah. I am simply showing you that there was a certain time period Messiah had to come. Another good cross reference is this, “Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time.”
Daniel 9:25 ESV The 59 weeks are all units of 7 years. The ticking of that clock began when Artaxerxes gave the decree to Nehemiah, “In the month of Nisan, in the twentieth year of King Artaxerxes, when wine was before him, I took up the wine and gave it to the king. Now I had not been sad in his presence. And the king said to me, “Why is your face sad, seeing you are not sick? This is nothing but sadness of the heart.” Then I was very much afraid. I said to the king, “Let the king live forever! Why should not my face be sad, when the city, the place of my fathers’ graves, lies in ruins, and its gates have been destroyed by fire?” Then the king said to me, “What are you requesting?” So I prayed to the God of heaven. And I said to the king, “If it pleases the king, and if your servant has found favor in your sight, that you send me to Judah, to the city of my fathers’ graves, that I may rebuild it.” And the king said to me (the queen sitting beside him), “How long will you be gone, and when will you return?” So it pleased the king to send me when I had given him a time. And I said to the king, “If it pleases the king, let letters be given me to the governors of the province Beyond the River, that they may let me pass through until I come to Judah, and a letter to Asaph, the keeper of the king’s forest, that he may give me timber to make beams for the gates of the fortress of the temple, and for the wall of the city, and for the house that I shall occupy.” And the king granted me what I asked, for the good hand of my God was upon me.”
Nehemiah 2:1-8 ESV This was the only decree in history that involved both the temple and Jerusalem, so it had to be referencing this specific time. This took place in Nisan 444 b.c. That means that time period would’ve ended right around 33 a.d.So you see, though Jews still wait for Messiah, he had to have already came. Remember the test of a prophet in Deuteronomy, “And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.”
Deuteronomy 18:21-22 ESV This clearly states a prophet can never be wrong. So either Daniel and the other prophets were wrong about the time of Messiahs coming and they weren’t prophets at all, or they were right and Messiah has already come. -
What do Jews believe about Daniel 9:24-27?
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He quote some verses from Old Testament which doesn’t have any explanation just confuse himself with Mormonism and Jehovah witnesses
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I hve a guestion for you bro. In jewish what they believe in Messiah? are they still waiting for the promise Messiah? thank you…
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Have you seen this powerful video on the subject?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGz9BVJ_k6s -
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The servant of Isaiah 53 is an innocent and guiltless sufferer. Israel is never described as sinless. Isaiah 1:4 says of the nation: “Alas sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity. A brood of evildoers, children who are corrupters!” He then goes on in the same chapter to characterize Judah as Sodom, Jerusalem as a harlot, and the people as those whose hands are stained with blood (verses 10, 15, and 21). What a far cry from the innocent and guiltless sufferer of Isaiah 53 who had “done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth!”
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The prophet said: “It pleased the LORD to bruise him.” Has the awful treatment of the Jewish people (so contrary, by the way, to the teaching of Jesus to love everyone) really been God’s pleasure, as is said of the suffering of the servant in Isaiah 53:10 ? If, as some rabbis contend, Isaiah 53 refers to the holocaust, can we really say of Israel’s suffering during that horrible period, “It pleased the LORD to bruise him?” Yet it makes perfect sense to say that God was pleased to have Messiah suffer and die as our sin offering to provide us forgiveness and atonement.
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The person mentioned in this passage suffers silently and willingly. Yet all people, even Israelites, complain when they suffer! Brave Jewish men and women fought in resistance movements against Hitler. Remember the Vilna Ghetto Uprising? Remember the Jewish men who fought on the side of the allies? Can we really say Jewish suffering during the holocaust and during the preceding centuries was done silently and willingly?
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The figure described in Isaiah 53 suffers, dies, and rises again to atone for his people’s sins. The Hebrew word used in Isaiah 53:10 for “sin-offering” is “asham,” which is a technical term meaning “sin-offering.” See how it is used in Leviticus chapters 5 and 6. Isaiah 53 describes a sinless and perfect sacrificial lamb who takes upon himself the sins of others so that they might be forgiven. Can anyone really claim that the terrible suffering of the Jewish people, however undeserved and unjust, atones for the sins of the world? Whoever Isaiah 53 speaks of, the figure described suffers and dies in order to provide a legal payment for sin so that others can be forgiven. This cannot be true of the Jewish people as a whole, or of any other mere human.
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It is the prophet who is speaking in this passage. He says: “who has believed our message.” The term “message” usually refers to the prophetic message, as it does in Jeremiah 49:14. Also, when we understand the Hebrew parallelism of verse 1, we see “Who has believed our message” as parallel to “to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed.” The “arm of the Lord” refers to God’s powerful act of salvation. So the message of the speaker is the message of a prophet declaring what God has done to save his people.
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The prophet speaking is Isaiah himself, who says the sufferer was punished for “the transgression of my people,” according to verse 8. Who are the people of Isaiah? Israel. So the sufferer of Isaiah 53 suffered for Israel. So how could he be Israel?
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The figure of Isaiah 53 dies and is buried according to verses 8 and 9. The people of Israel have never died as a whole. They have been out of the land on two occasions and have returned, but they have never ceased to be among the living. Yet Jesus died, was buried, and rose again.
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If Isaiah 53 cannot refer to Israel, how about Isaiah himself? But Isaiah said he was a sinful man of unclean lips (Isaiah 6:5-7). And Isaiah did not die as an atonement for our sins. Could it have been Jeremiah? Jeremiah 11:19 does echo the words of Isaiah 53. Judah rejected and despised the prophet for telling them the truth. Leaders of Judah sought to kill Jeremiah, and so the prophet describes himself in these terms. But they were not able to kill the prophet. Certainly Jeremiah did not die to atone for the sins of his people. What of Moses? Could the prophet have been speaking of him? But Moses wasn’t sinless either. Moses sinned and was forbidden from entering the promised land (Numbers 20:12). Moses indeed attempted to offer himself as a sacrifice in place of the nation, but God did not allow him to do so (Exodus 32:30-35). Moses, Isaiah, and Jeremiah were all prophets who gave us a glimpse of what Messiah, the ultimate prophet, would be like, but none of them quite fit Isaiah 53.
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So what can we conclude? Isaiah 53 cannot refer to the nation of Israel, nor to Isaiah, nor to Moses, nor another prophet. And if not to Moses, certainly not to any lesser man. Yet Messiah would be greater than Moses. As the rabbinic writing “Yalkut” said: “Who art thou, O great mountain? (Zech. iv.7) This refers to the King Messiah. And why does he call him`the great mountain?’ because he is greater than the patriarchs, as it is said, `My servant shall be high, and lifted up, and lofty exceedingly’ –he will be higher than Abraham…lifted up above Moses…loftier then the ministering angels…” (Quoted in The Fifty-third Chapter of Isaiah According to the Jewish Interpreters, Ktav Publishing House, 1969, Volume 2, page 9.)
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You will know all these at the second coming of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour. ?
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Tovia is a lying serpent don’t listen to his nonsense
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I don’t believe there is anything anyone can say to help you see the truth as God has hidden it from you. So sad that so many are deceived.
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There are some things I enjoy about Tovia but he is out to lunch on this Chapter…it is plainly referring to a person and not a nation or people….you really have to do scriptual gymnastics to twist this from its plain reading….and then of course there are all those other scriptures pointing to Jesus as the Messiah….
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Shame on this man
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Really sad. I feel sorry for people who believe this nonsense! Christ is messiah! Its so clear.
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Many people today don’t take their time to study the Bible ooo
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Tim, is this like a job for you? What’s wrong with you? Is it your mission in life to be a distraction to Christians?
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He doesn’t actually go into Isa 53.
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Tim Lewandowski You are WRONG. Christian’s believe that Orthodox Jew’s stubbornly refuse to admit the suffering servant passage in Isaiah 52 & 53 is about Jesus.
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Forbidden or not, you still don’t believe everything that Isaiah 53 says !
Just like you don’t believe other portions of Tanakh!
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Tim Lewandowski regarding Gen 1:26 “Let Us” create man. Jews for Jesus are clear. https://jewsforjesus.org/publications/issues/issues-v10-n08/a-look-at-the-trinity-from-a-messianic-jewish-perspective
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I’ve been this group long enough to see this person Tim Lewandowski blaspheme the Holy Spirit and Jesus in blatant foul ways so many times that I have to wonder, is the opportunity to present knowledge more important than avoiding the company of blasphemers. I’ve been in classes and I’ve taught a few but I’ve never accepted routine blasphemy. I don’t get it. Just as blasphemy is a unforgivable sin, reasoning with a fool that routinely and purposely blasphemes the Holy Spirit is sheer folly. Satan comes in many forms. C.S. Lewis in his book “The Screwtape Letters” noted the many ways Satan’s demons are assigned to distract Christians.
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