So what is everyone’s opinions on “being perfect” here in life vs a progressive sanctification and closely associated Osas vs losing salvation? I know the base verses most use on either side side as none being able to be removed from his hands and simply believing to obtain salvation but then there’s the counter verses saying if you sin after knowing the truth then you have no more sacrifice for your sin and so on. This likely will be a powder keg of a question but ready set go…
Discussion
8 comments
-
Plenty of verses showing calvinism and once saved always saved are not biblical.
-
If you don’t have a dispensation view of scripture it will always contradict
-
I suggest that anyone confused over this issue should read my read-like-a-book Bible commentary on the epistle to the Hebrews (entitled “A glorious High Throne”) where the verses in Hebrews 6 and 10 which are often used to deny the eternal security of the believer are explained as applying to a category of people we call apostates who never were truly saved.
https://www.amazon.com/Glorious-High-Throne-Message-Hebrews/dp/0960020349/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=A+glorious+high+throne+Andrews&qid=1587631624&s=books&sr=1-1 -
Hebrews was written to the Hebrews, it starts with Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Heb 3:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. Unless you believe in Kingdom now Theology this letter is to Israel. The Unpardonable Sin, Mat 12:23 The crowds were all amazed and said, “Can this man be the Son of David?” 24 When the Pharisees heard this, they said, “This man can force demons out of people only with the help of Beelzebul, the ruler of demons.”Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. After this Jesus Pronounced Judgement on Israel. This article describes a process that Jesus and Israel went through to determine his Messiah status. http://www.messianicassociation.org/ezine48-af-three-messianic-miracles.htm
-
People like to make the simple difficult, several Scriptural examples for that too.
Is one growing in faith ( pistis, constancy), seeking first the kingdom of God? How is this known, by their works. Works that are unselfish and that bring recognition to God not the individual.
Has the individual purposefully renounced God and Jesus?
Has the individual lost their first true love, as the Church in Laodicea?
If one is, daily, seeking (zeteo, actively strive after, look for) first ( foremost) the kingdom of God, talking to and listening to God, studying the Scriptures and doing works that bring recognition to God, then one need’nt worry. -
There are two issues underlying here – being saved and being sanctified.
Sanctification is an ongoing process, Paul says we are “die daily” every day we are to forget what lies behind and press forward to what lies ahead.Being a Christian doesn’t make you sinless but it does make you sin less.
-
Ok, lets do a little redirect, i know of pastors who claim that they, through the holy spirit, do not sin and then they say any christian who, lets say goes to a garth brooks concert or the like, as being a back-slidden or compromised christian because they are supporting a sinful secular entertainer… I agree we should be growing in our faith and i agree that there are lots of christians who are christian in name only, but to say we are to be perfect and to sin even once means we can and possibly do lose our salvation until we ask for forgiveness just seems very catholic… looking to make sense of that theology.
-
Leaving behind the beginnings of faith, let us move on to perfection (Wholeness, completeness, maturity).
Comments