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62 thoughts on “Dr. Gause on the pre-tribulation rapture of the church

  1. Troy Day says:

    spot on Neil Steven Lawrence RichardAnna Boyce have you watched this yet? Martin Asare Philip Williams Steve Conley its pretty nice I tell ya I believe bro James C. Morris makes a similar notion in his book when explaining the pre-Trib rapture was the eternal hope of the Early church as most church fathers believed

    1. Troy Day it was not taught by “most” of the early writers. But it was clearly taught in the very oldest surviving Christian commentary on Bible prophecy of any significant length AND in the very oldest surviving commentary on the Revelation, as well as by several other ancient writers.

    2. Troy Day says:

      James C. Morris Well now Remember we had a listed topic iwth most church fathers and quotes from their writings I have to dig it out as we looked in the Greek and the Latin to confirm their being pre-mil and all I agree with you not MOST but quite few of them Lets say – majority

    3. Troy Day basically all of the Christian writers for the church’s first three centuries very clearly taught pre-millennialist, that there was an unfulfilled prophetic program for “the Jews” that was different from the future for “the church,” and that “the Antichrist” would be a specific evil individual that would appear in the end times. And this doctrine continued to be taught by many writers for several hundred years after that.

    4. Ray Levick says:

      James C. Morris The issue is not whether they believed in a pre-millennialist doctrine which there is evidence they did but it is the Dispendsationslist version of Darby which is the problem . I’LL see if can find the quotes from.the early church which shows they were strong on the church going through an end time persecution before the Lord returns.

    5. Ray Levick I have already dealt with this in high detail in my book, “Ancient Dispensational Truth.” They very clearly taught that the rapture would be before the “great tribulation.” But they did not have that “great tribulation” beginning until after the Antichrist rose to power and put the church to flight.

      This was taught by Irenaeus in the very oldest surviving Christian commentary on Bible prophecy of any significant length, by Victorinus in the very oldest surviving commentary on the book of Revelation, and by an unknown ancient writer that modern scholars call pseudo-Ephraim.

    6. Steve Conley says:

      James C. Morris I view your statements claiming the early writers were pretribulationists the same way I do Joe Biden’s assertions. When he says, “that has been fully debunked already”, over and over, it doesn’t matter how many times he says it, it doesn’t make it true. You can say that a million times but it doesn’t make it true.

      All those writers expected the church to see the Antichrist and suffer tribulation at his hand before being caught out prior to the pouring out of God’s wrath. That is not pretribulationism.

    7. Troy Day says:

      James C. Morris This is well said I’ve noted the same with Steve but IMO lets not talk about the person – just the major PROBLEMS he’s got in his theology and refuses to reform We’ve brought MORE than sufficient proof to change his mindset in the last 6 months It is what it is

    1. Rob Burr says:

      Troy Day Jesus was accused of being arrogant, authoritarian, over confident and worse.
      I can take your weak barbs at my expense.
      When you have been fortunate to have been given stuff in your hand that absolutely refutes false prophetic teaching, you do not need to listen to another false prophet with the same old prophetic lie.

    2. Rob Burr says:

      Zachary I don’t mean to be rude and I will shut up for a while and comment less in future.
      It’s just that I’m absolutely convinced the Lord has now given us a detailed outline of the end of the age and maybe, the end of days.

  2. Steve Conley says:

    What is This Hour of Temptation that We are Kept Out of?

    Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from (ek) the hour of temptation (peirasmos), which shall come upon all the world, to try (peirazo) them that dwell upon the earth.

    I used to believe and teach that this notable day (hour of temptation), was the “Tribulation Period” or more specifically the “great tribulation,” however, it is now obvious to me that the “Tribulation Period” is an erroneous name given to the seventieth week, and the great tribulation doesn’t fit the description of the hour or trial given in Rev 3:10.

    The hour spoken of in Rev 3:10 is said to be a time of trial upon the earth dwellers (“them that dwell upon the earth”) which distinguishes it from the great tribulation which is a period of time in which ethnic Israel and the Christian saints (the elect) are persecuted at an unprecedented level (Matt 24:21-22). Since the testing in Rev 3:10 is focused upon the unbelieving world (earth dwellers), who follow the Beast, and not the elect, the trial can only refer to the Day of the LORD, which is the period of God’s wrath, not Satan’s. Satan’s wrath (Rev 12:12) through the Beast (Rev 13:7) falls upon ethnic Israel and the elect beginning in the middle of the week in the days that Jesus called great tribulation. The great tribulation is over before the day of the Lord begins. True believers will not experience God’s wrath in the Day of the LORD, but are saved from it (1Thes 5:9).

    Two other texts can add more light to this truth.

    1Th 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered (rhuomai) us from the wrath (orgay) to come.

    2Pe 2:7 And delivered (rhuomai) just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
    2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver (rhuomai) the godly out of (ek) temptations (peirasmos), and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

    Can you see how these three texts all refer to the same thing? Peter, in the context of God’s wrath falling upon false prophets in the day of the Lord, uses Lot for an example of the righteous being delivered out of peirasmos. The peirasmos that Lot was delivered out of was the wrath of God upon the cities of the plain, including Sodom and Gomorrah. Paul, to the church, says that we will be rhuomai (delivered) from orgay (wrath of God). Peter says that the righteous will be rhuomai (delivered) out of peirasmos (temptation). Therefore, the temptation is the wrath of God which falls in the day of the Lord upon the earth-dwellers.

    Looking at these three passages together should clear up any misunderstanding about what the trial spoken of in Rev 3:10 is. The hour of temptation is the wrath of God in the day of the Lord, not the great tribulation.

    Glory be unto Jesus Christ the Lord.

  3. Steve Conley says:

    Luke 21 Verses 34 thru 36 What is it that we escape?

    Luk 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
    Luk 21:35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
    Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

    1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
    1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
    1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
    1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
    1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
    1Th 5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
    1Th 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
    1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
    1Th 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

    Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

    Let’s look at this again.

    Luk 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
    Luk 21:35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
    Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

    A) Who is Jesus speaking to?

    “And take heed to yourselves”

    The Lord is initially speaking to 4 of His disciples.

    Mar 13:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
    Mar 13:4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
    Mar 13:5 And Jesus answering them began to say,

    However, the divine narrator, the Holy Spirit, who directed Matthew in the writing of his gospel, lets us know that Christ’s words were intended for all who would follow Him, all who hear His voice.

    Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

    Jesus is speaking particularly to His followers, but is also providing understanding to any who would read what He said.

    The gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke being Scripture also fall under the truth that Paul declared to Timothy. “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” (2Ti 3:16, 17). Therefore, Christ’s words are for every blood bought child of God.

    B) What is the warning Christ is giving?

    Much like the warning that Paul gave Timothy (1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.) Christ warns His followers that if they take their eyes off of Him, off of the heavenly, spiritual, and eternal, and they become focused upon this life with all its pleasures, entertainment, and excitement, they too, like the lost world, will be caught by surprise by the return of Christ and the events which precede it. He says that if believers sleep the long slumber of those who love the world, when the day comes, they will be unprepared for the persecution and deception preceding Christ’s coming and they will be ashamed when they meet Christ.

    Jesus says to believers that if their hearts are overcharged (overfilled, in excess, weighed down) with surfeiting, drunkenness, and the cares of this life, this future time will catch them by surprise.

    1) So, what is surfeiting?

    As with the word overcharged, surfeiting strongly indicates excess, and refers to indulgence to excess in anything. It could refer to food, the seeming insatiable desire of many to have some new dining experience. Or maybe it’s the desire to try all the drinks available to mankind. It could also refer to the fixation of many upon fitness, bodybuilding, cross-fit, etc. There is also the multitude of sports that absorb people’s lives. And the list goes on and on. Paul said, “for me to live is Christ.” If you want to know if you are guilty of surfeiting, honestly finish the same statement yourself. For me to live is ______________. What absorbs your time and resources? Jesus said that where your treasure is there your heart will be also. This excess we should carefully guard against, because it is a distraction from attending to watchful, expectant, activity for Christ’s return. Surfeiting leaves you distracted.

    2) So, what is drunkenness?

    Drunkenness is a state of intoxication that leaves one without the normal use of his or her faculties. It has both a literal and figurative application. It is one of many prohibitions against intoxicating drinks and substances (drugs) in the Holy Scriptures. It can also refer to the mental fog that one is left in by feeding the mind upon the teachings and philosophies of the humanistic world and false religions. Anything that hinders sound judgement has the capacity to leave one in the state of drunkenness. Drunkenness leaves you asleep.

    3) What about the cares of this life?

    Cares of this life are the concerns that we have for our necessities or our perceived necessities. These concerns span every facet of our existence, from our food, to our health, to those who rule over us (government). Jesus said: “…Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?” (Mat 6:25). Again, He said: “Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.” (Mat 6:34). God knows our needs better than we do and His love for us is greater than any other. Trust Him to provide your needs. “Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.” (Mat 6:31-33). The cares of this life leave you fearful.

    4) If believers are distracted, asleep, and fearful they will be caught by surprise by the events that Jesus has described in this discourse and therefore suffer needlessly for it.

    C) The day of the Lord shall come as a snare upon the earth dwellers

    “For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.” The day of the Lord will catch the unbelieving world of the Beast worshipers by surprise. These unbelievers are identified over and over as earth-dwellers. Christ’s warnings are so that the day doesn’t catch us, who are citizens of Heaven, by surprise. In fact, Paul says concerning the watching believer in the context of the day of the Lord (Vs 2): “But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.” (1Th 5:4-10) No believer will experience the wrath of God poured out in the day of the Lord. The church is raptured before the wrath of God is initiated in the day of the Lord.

    D) Keeping awake and praying all the time will result in you being able to flee from the destruction of Jerusalem (70 AD) and the epicenter of the great tribulation (Jerusalem and Judea), and to be unashamed before Christ at the judgement.

    “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.” (Luk 21:36)

    There are two events that Jesus warns about in the Olivet Discourse that can bring needless suffering to the child of God. The first is long past, it involved the siege upon Jerusalem and the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD. History records that the watching Christians left the city upon seeing the sign of the Roman armies surrounding Jerusalem and were spared the horrible death and suffering that came upon the Christ rejecting Jews that remained there. The second is the unprecedented persecution of the elect (and Israel) that Jesus called great tribulation. Even though the church will go through this period of violent persecution and supernatural deception, Christ’s warnings have left us some direction concerning how we might mitigate some of the suffering and be protected from the spiritual danger.

    The word translated “escape” refers to fleeing. This is the very thing Jesus told believers in Judea to do when they see the abomination of desolation taking place. Identifying the beginning of the Beast’s persecution of the saints will help us to flee from those who would do us harm. The instruction concerning the mark of the Beast that was provided to us by John in the book of Revelation lets us prepare for a time when we will not be able to buy or sell. This means that for a period of time (less than 3 years, ask if you need an explanation) we will need to be self-sufficient (that is God dependent) without our present involvement in our local communities and economies. Christ’s many warnings about deception also forearm us against apostasy and even false reports about Christ’s arrival. Christ makes it very clear that His arrival will be no secret. In fact, He says it will be unmistakable. All the world shall see Him, in all His glory, with the mighty angels when He appears in the clouds of the atmospheric heaven.

    Don’t forsake Christ. The last danger that I want to mention is the greatest danger, it involves forsaking Christ and worshiping the Beast. Jesus mentioned that many will be offended when they suffer persecution for Christ’s name’s sake (Matt 24:9-10). They will forsake Christ and betray other believers. He also said that the false prophets shall deceive many by means of their lying signs and wonders (Matt 24:11, 24). There will be much supernatural deception during this period. The unprecedented persecution and lying signs and wonders are what causes the apostasia (falling away) that Paul says takes place before the day of Christ (2Thes 2:3). The real eternal danger that we can escape because we have been forewarned, is that of failing to continue in faith toward Christ. The pressure to reject Christ and follow the Beast will be immense. We will see many who have identified as Christians deny Christ and follow the Beast. For these, we are told that they will be eternally damned (Rev 14:9-11). We are saved by grace through faith in the person and work of Christ apart from any merit and human performance, but continuing in faith toward Christ is non-negotiable, it is essential. Faith is not meritorious. It is simply the hand that reaches out to receive the gift of God provided to us in the person of Christ. Any who cast off Christ are not a partaker in Him. The Scriptures are emphatic that the faith that saves is an abiding faith, a faith that continues. The following texts make this point clear.

    Any who do not continue in faith are not a partaker of Christ.

    Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

    Any, who do not continue to believe, are not of Christ’s household.

    Heb 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

    We must continue in the Faith. None can ultimately deny Christ and hope for Salvation.

    Act 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

    If one fails to continue in the Faith, they have believed in vain.

    1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

    Continuing in the Faith is absolutely essential. Again, our salvation is not based upon merit or human performance, but it does require an abiding faith in Christ.

    Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

    Believing unto the end is required. Faith is not a meritorious work, it is the hand that reaches out to receive the grace of God, even the gift of eternal life. Anyone who abandons faith in Christ is lost.

    Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

    Falling away, even ultimately denying Christ, due to persecution or being deceived results in eternal damnation. Salvation is only found in Christ. To forsake Him is to cast away all hope.

    1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
    1Jn 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

    Paul says for us to not be highminded, but fear. For if God cut off the Israelites who did not believe, He certainly will do the same to those among the Gentiles who fail to continue in the Faith.

    Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
    Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
    Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

    Our understanding must recognize the truth of all Scripture texts, not just the ones we find convenient. The faith that saves, continues.

    One final warning. Don’t think for a moment that some can take the mark and worship the Beast to escape the persecution and then repent and find forgiveness with Christ. Paul makes it quite clear that the Lord Himself will send them strong delusion that they might believe a lie, that they all might be damned.

    2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
    2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    The last phrase found in verse 36 speaks of the believer standing in Christ’s presence. There are a handful of verses which shed light upon this phrase.

    Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

    Psa 1:5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

    Psa 130:3 If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?

    Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

    The only way to stand before the Son of man is to be clothed in the righteousness of Christ.

    There is also the truth that the apostle John spoke of, that we must be careful to continue in fellowship with Christ so that we can have confidence and not be ashamed before Him at His parousia.

    1Jn 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

    If any of us take our focus off of Christ and get sucked into the world and the cares of this life it won’t be fun when we meet Him. In order to not be ashamed when meeting Christ we must maintain close fellowship now.

    1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

    In conclusion, the snare is for the Christ rejecting world, not for the saints. Only the believers which are distracted, asleep, and fearful will be caught by surprise and be unprepared when these things begin to take place. By staying awake and praying all the time believers will be prepared and know how to mitigate much of the danger.

    Please know that it is not our purpose to escape persecution, it is our purpose to be faithful unto Christ, even unto death. It is an honor and a privilege to suffer for Christ.

    Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

    1. Troy Day he states at the very beginning in his introduction that he is pre-millennial and pre-tribulation. He also affirms pre-tribulation rapture several times during the lecture.

      Perhaps this is the problem… Post-tribbers hear what they want to hear and read what they want to read in Scripture!

      I have never heard Postribbers explain the meaning of the phrase “left behind“ satisfactorily!

    2. Rob Burr says:

      Neil Steven Lawrence Troy Day back to the beginning.
      It doesn’t matter what he gets right, if he believes in any future tribulation OR millennium then he is wrong.
      The middle of the tribulation was the ‘abomination of desolation’ of the Jerusalem Temple
      It occured AD 689 without question and from there the last antichrist 666 occupied the city until 1967 and the Six Day War, the complete second half of the seven times of tribulation.
      This is the message for right now; the end of the age.

  4. Steve Conley says:

    Troy Day Dr. Gause has more correct than most pretribulationists. However, with all that he still misses the timing of the rapture in relation to the unprecedented persecution of the saints by the Beast (GT), by a mile.

    Unlike you, he recognizes that God’s wrath doesn’t come until the trumpet and bowl judgments. He also recognizes that “earth-dwellers” is a technical term referring to the unbelieving Beast worshipers and that the saints are not included in the expression. He has also recognized somewhat that the parousia and epiphania are connected, even though they are not entirely synonymous. Parousia referring to the whole period of the 2nd advent and epiphania speaking more of His initial appearing/revelation.

    He states many truths but does nothing to build a case for a pretrib rapture of the church. It appears he is unaware of prewrath eschatology even though he has sided with prewrath eschatology on some points in contradiction to the majority of pretrib scholars.

    Below, find a faithful exposition of some of the texts he used in correction to his misunderstood teaching.

    1. Steve Conley says:

      Dr. Gause Doesn’t understand the difference between the great tribulation and the day of the Lord.

      He is not alone in this regard. Many fail to distinguish between the period of unprecedented persecution of the elect and ethnic Israel and the period of God’s eschatological wrath. The first Jesus called megas thlipsis (great tribulation); the second is the day of the Lord, which begins with Christ’s arrival at His parousia. The wrath that is present in each period has a different source, object, and expression.

      In the period of unprecedented persecution that Jesus called great tribulation, we find the wrath of Satan (Rev 12:12), through the Beast (Rev 13:7), upon the elect (Matt 24:9, 22, 24, 31; Romans 8:33; 11:7) and ethnic Israel (Deut 4:30; 32:36; Jer 30:7; Dan 12:1, 7; Rev 12:9-17) in the form of economic isolation (Rev 13:17), violent persecution (Matt 24:9, 22), supernatural deception (Matt 24:24; 2Thes 2:9) and beheading (Rev 20:4).

      The day of the Lord is markedly different from the great tribulation. In the day of the Lord the wrath is from God (Rev 6:16-17; 15:1), upon the unbelieving (2Thes 1:8), saints persecuting (2Thes 1:6; Rev 6:9-11; Dan 7:25; Rev 13:7), Beast worshiping (Rev 14:10), earth-dwellers (Rev 3:10), as a recompense of vengeance (Isa 34:8; 35:4; 2Thes 1:6-8) in the form of the trumpet and vial judgments (Rev 8-9; 16-19). Not only is the character of the two periods totally different, but their relationship to the cosmic sign that the Prophets, Christ, and the Apostles spoke of is the opposite.

      We are told that the day of the Lord comes after the cosmic sign, but that the great tribulation comes before it (Joel 2:31; Matt 24:29; Rev 6:12). This is incontrovertible evidence that the eschatological wrath of God is not present in the great tribulation, but only comes after the sun, moon, and stars go dark in the day of the Lord.

    2. Steve Conley says:

      Dr, Gause also has misunderstood Rev 3:10 concerning the hour of temptation that we are kept out of?

      Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from (ek) the hour of temptation (peirasmos), which shall come upon all the world, to try (peirazo) them that dwell upon the earth.

      I used to believe and teach that this notable day (hour of temptation), was the “Tribulation Period” or more specifically the “great tribulation,” however, it is now obvious to me that the “Tribulation Period” is an erroneous name given to the seventieth week, and the great tribulation doesn’t fit the description of the hour or trial given in Rev 3:10.

      The hour spoken of in Rev 3:10 is said to be a time of trial upon the earth dwellers (“them that dwell upon the earth”) which distinguishes it from the great tribulation which is a period of time in which ethnic Israel and the Christian saints (the elect) are persecuted at an unprecedented level (Matt 24:21-22). Since the testing in Rev 3:10 is focused upon the unbelieving world (earth-dwellers), who follow the Beast, and not the elect, the trial can only refer to the Day of the LORD, which is the period of God’s wrath, not Satan’s. Satan’s wrath (Rev 12:12) through the Beast (Rev 13:7) falls upon ethnic Israel and the elect beginning in the middle of the week in the days that Jesus called great tribulation. The great tribulation is over before the day of the Lord begins. True believers will not experience God’s wrath in the Day of the LORD, but are saved from it (1Thes 5:9).

      Two other texts can add more light to this truth.

      1Th 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered (rhuomai) us from the wrath (orgay) to come.

      2Pe 2:7 And delivered (rhuomai) just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
      2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver (rhuomai) the godly out of (ek) temptations (peirasmos), and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

      Can you see how these three texts all refer to the same thing? Peter, in the context of God’s wrath falling upon false prophets in the day of the Lord, uses Lot for an example of the righteous being delivered out of peirasmos. The peirasmos that Lot was delivered out of was the wrath of God upon the cities of the plain, including Sodom and Gomorrah. Paul, to the church, says that we will be rhuomai (delivered) from orgay (wrath of God). Peter says that the righteous will be rhuomai (delivered) out of peirasmos (temptation). Therefore, the temptation is the wrath of God which falls in the day of the Lord upon the earth-dwellers.

      Looking at these three passages together should clear up any misunderstanding about what the trial spoken of in Rev 3:10 is. The hour of temptation is the wrath of God in the day of the Lord, not the great tribulation.

      Glory be unto Jesus Christ the Lord.

    3. Steve Conley says:

      Dr. Gause likewise misapplies Christ’s warning in Luke 21:34-36. What is it that we escape?

      Luk 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
      Luk 21:35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
      Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

      A) Who is Jesus speaking to?

      “And take heed to yourselves”

      The Lord is initially speaking to 4 of His disciples.

      Mar 13:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
      Mar 13:4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
      Mar 13:5 And Jesus answering them began to say,

      However, the divine narrator, the Holy Spirit, who directed Matthew in the writing of his gospel, lets us know that Christ’s words were intended for all who would follow Him, all who hear His voice.

      Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

      Jesus is speaking particularly to His followers, but is also providing understanding to any who would read what He said.

      The gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke being Scripture also fall under the truth that Paul declared to Timothy. “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” (2Ti 3:16, 17). Therefore, Christ’s words are for every blood bought child of God.

      B) What is the warning Christ is giving?

      Much like the warning that Paul gave Timothy (1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.) Christ warns His followers that if they take their eyes off of Him, off of the heavenly, spiritual, and eternal, and they become focused upon this life with all its pleasures, entertainment, and excitement, they too, like the lost world, will be caught by surprise by the return of Christ and the events which precede it. He says that if believers sleep the long slumber of those who love the world, when the day comes, they will be unprepared for the persecution and deception preceding Christ’s coming and they will be ashamed when they meet Christ.

      Jesus says to believers that if their hearts are overcharged (overfilled, in excess, weighed down) with surfeiting, drunkenness, and the cares of this life, this future time will catch them by surprise.

      1) So, what is surfeiting?

      As with the word overcharged, surfeiting strongly indicates excess, and refers to indulgence to excess in anything. It could refer to food, the seeming insatiable desire of many to have some new dining experience. Or maybe it’s the desire to try all the drinks available to mankind. It could also refer to the fixation of many upon fitness, bodybuilding, cross-fit, etc. There is also the multitude of sports that absorb people’s lives. And the list goes on and on. Paul said, “for me to live is Christ.” If you want to know if you are guilty of surfeiting, honestly finish the same statement yourself. For me to live is ______________. What absorbs your time and resources? Jesus said that where your treasure is there your heart will be also. This excess we should carefully guard against, because it is a distraction from attending to watchful, expectant, activity for Christ’s return. Surfeiting leaves you distracted.

      2) So, what is drunkenness?

      Drunkenness is a state of intoxication that leaves one without the normal use of his or her faculties. It has both a literal and figurative application. It is one of many prohibitions against intoxicating drinks and substances (drugs) in the Holy Scriptures. It can also refer to the mental fog that one is left in by feeding the mind upon the teachings and philosophies of the humanistic world and false religions. Anything that hinders sound judgement has the capacity to leave one in the state of drunkenness. Drunkenness leaves you asleep.

      3) What about the cares of this life?

      Cares of this life are the concerns that we have for our necessities or our perceived necessities. These concerns span every facet of our existence, from our food, to our health, to those who rule over us (government). Jesus said: “…Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?” (Mat 6:25). Again, He said: “Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.” (Mat 6:34). God knows our needs better than we do and His love for us is greater than any other. Trust Him to provide your needs. “Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.” (Mat 6:31-33). The cares of this life leave you fearful.

      4) If believers are distracted, asleep, and fearful they will be caught by surprise by the events that Jesus has described in this discourse and therefore suffer needlessly for it.

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    4. Steve Conley says:

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      C) The day of the Lord shall come as a snare upon the earth dwellers

      “For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.” The day of the Lord will catch the unbelieving world of the Beast worshipers by surprise. These unbelievers are identified over and over as earth-dwellers. Christ’s warnings are so that the day doesn’t catch us, who are citizens of Heaven, by surprise. In fact, Paul says concerning the watching believer in the context of the day of the Lord (Vs 2): “But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.” (1Th 5:4-10) No believer will experience the wrath of God poured out in the day of the Lord. The church is raptured before the wrath of God is initiated in the day of the Lord.

      D) Keeping awake and praying all the time will result in you being able to flee from the destruction of Jerusalem (70 AD) and the epicenter of the great tribulation (Jerusalem and Judea), and to be unashamed before Christ at the judgement.

      “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.” (Luk 21:36)

      There are two events that Jesus warns about in the Olivet Discourse that can bring needless suffering to the child of God. The first is long past, it involved the siege upon Jerusalem and the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD. History records that the watching Christians left the city upon seeing the sign of the Roman armies surrounding Jerusalem and were spared the horrible death and suffering that came upon the Christ rejecting Jews that remained there. The second is the unprecedented persecution of the elect (and Israel) that Jesus called great tribulation. Even though the church will go through this period of violent persecution and supernatural deception, Christ’s warnings have left us some direction concerning how we might mitigate some of the suffering and be protected from the spiritual danger.

      The word translated “escape” refers to fleeing. This is the very thing Jesus told believers in Judea to do when they see the abomination of desolation taking place. Identifying the beginning of the Beast’s persecution of the saints will help us to flee from those who would do us harm. The instruction concerning the mark of the Beast that was provided to us by John in the book of Revelation lets us prepare for a time when we will not be able to buy or sell. This means that for a period of time (less than 3 years, ask if you need an explanation) we will need to be self-sufficient (that is God dependent) without our present involvement in our local communities and economies. Christ’s many warnings about deception also forearm us against apostasy and even false reports about Christ’s arrival. Christ makes it very clear that His arrival will be no secret. In fact, He says it will be unmistakable. All the world shall see Him, in all His glory, with the mighty angels when He appears in the clouds of the atmospheric heaven.

      Don’t forsake Christ. The last danger that I want to mention is the greatest danger, it involves forsaking Christ and worshiping the Beast. Jesus mentioned that many will be offended when they suffer persecution for Christ’s name’s sake (Matt 24:9-10). They will forsake Christ and betray other believers. He also said that the false prophets shall deceive many by means of their lying signs and wonders (Matt 24:11, 24). There will be much supernatural deception during this period. The unprecedented persecution and lying signs and wonders are what causes the apostasia (falling away) that Paul says takes place before the day of Christ (2Thes 2:3). The real eternal danger that we can escape because we have been forewarned, is that of failing to continue in faith toward Christ. The pressure to reject Christ and follow the Beast will be immense. We will see many who have identified as Christians deny Christ and follow the Beast. For these, we are told that they will be eternally damned (Rev 14:9-11). We are saved by grace through faith in the person and work of Christ apart from any merit and human performance, but continuing in faith toward Christ is non-negotiable, it is essential. Faith is not meritorious. It is simply the hand that reaches out to receive the gift of God provided to us in the person of Christ. Any who cast off Christ are not a partaker in Him. The Scriptures are emphatic that the faith that saves is an abiding faith, a faith that continues. The following texts make this point clear.

      Any who do not continue in faith are not a partaker of Christ.

      Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

      Any, who do not continue to believe, are not of Christ’s household.

      Heb 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

      We must continue in the Faith. None can ultimately deny Christ and hope for Salvation.

      Act 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

      If one fails to continue in the Faith, they have believed in vain.

      1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

      Continuing in the Faith is absolutely essential. Again, our salvation is not based upon merit or human performance, but it does require an abiding faith in Christ.

      Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

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    5. Steve Conley says:

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      Believing unto the end is required. Faith is not a meritorious work, it is the hand that reaches out to receive the grace of God, even the gift of eternal life. Anyone who abandons faith in Christ is lost.

      Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

      Falling away, even ultimately denying Christ, due to persecution or being deceived results in eternal damnation. Salvation is only found in Christ. To forsake Him is to cast away all hope.

      1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
      1Jn 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

      Paul says for us to not be highminded, but fear. For if God cut off the Israelites who did not believe, He certainly will do the same to those among the Gentiles who fail to continue in the Faith.

      Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
      Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
      Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

      Our understanding must recognize the truth of all Scripture texts, not just the ones we find convenient. The faith that saves, continues.

      One final warning. Don’t think for a moment that some can take the mark and worship the Beast to escape the persecution and then repent and find forgiveness with Christ. Paul makes it quite clear that the Lord Himself will send them strong delusion that they might believe a lie, that they all might be damned.

      2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
      2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

      The last phrase found in verse 36 speaks of the believer standing in Christ’s presence. There are a handful of verses which shed light upon this phrase.

      Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

      Psa 1:5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

      Psa 130:3 If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?

      Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

      The only way to stand before the Son of man is to be clothed in the righteousness of Christ.

      There is also the truth that the apostle John spoke of, that we must be careful to continue in fellowship with Christ so that we can have confidence and not be ashamed before Him at His parousia.

      1Jn 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

      If any of us take our focus off of Christ and get sucked into the world and the cares of this life it won’t be fun when we meet Him. In order to not be ashamed when meeting Christ we must maintain close fellowship now.

      1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

      In conclusion, the snare is for the Christ rejecting world, not for the saints. Only the believers which are distracted, asleep, and fearful will be caught by surprise and be unprepared when these things begin to take place. By staying awake and praying all the time believers will be prepared and know how to mitigate much of the danger.

      Please know that it is not our purpose to escape persecution, it is our purpose to be faithful unto Christ, even unto death. It is an honor and a privilege to suffer for Christ.

      Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

    6. Steve Conley says:

      Neil Steven Lawrence Please provide a chapter and verse to back that up.

      You can’t because there are none. You have to assume a pre-seventieth week rapture of all believers, then interpret Rev 7:9-17 in light of that assumption. Then when clear statements that show the church will be persecuted, even by the Beast, right up until we are gathered unto Christ at His revelation (apokalupsis) are presented to you, you find support to contradict them in the made-up narrative based upon those first assumptions.

      All you have is circular reasoning started with assumptions that can easily be shown to be false. I should know, I taught pretribulationism for 30 years. I know it inside and out. When you look behind the curtain, all that is there is a little old man.

      Prewrath eschatology is the system that I can fully support from the Scriptures.

    7. Steve Conley
      Revelation 14:14–16
      “I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one like a son of man with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, “Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested.”

      In this passage Jesus remains in the clouds and Harvest’s the earth without coming down to the earth. This scripture further proves the details of a distinct Rapture from the Second Coming.

    8. Steve Conley says:

      Neil Steven Lawrence This is the 2nd coming of which the rapture of the Church is one of Christ’s first activities.

      -First, is His apokalupsis (revelation)
      -Second, the dead in Christ are raised
      -Third, the surviving believers are changed
      -Fourth, the resurrected and changed believers are gathered unto Christ in the clouds (the rapture).

      When considering Christ’s Parousia (His coming) it is important to realize that those who fail to recognize the difference between that period of unprecedented persecution of the elect and ethnic Israel that Jesus called great tribulation and the period of the eschatological wrath of God in the day of the Lord, are forced into dividing Christ’s singular future Parousia, His second, into two future comings. It is true that we will not experience God’s eschatological wrath, but the church will most certainly go through the unprecedented persecution of the great tribulation which precedes the day of the Lord. The Scriptures testify of that which the churches have believed and taught throughout the last 2000 years, the singular future parousia of Christ, His second.

      Believers have always recognized that Jesus would remain with the Father in Heaven until He is sent by Him at the times of the restitution of all things. That is what Peter said.

      Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
      Act 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
      Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

      Paul said that His coming would be His second, at which time He will bring salvation.

      Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear THE SECOND TIME without sin unto salvation.

      There is no mention of a third or fourth parousia in the Scriptures. We are raptured at His second parousia. His first parousia took place ~ 2000 years ago at Christ’s first advent. The Greek word parousia means arrival and continuing presence. It is found 24 times in the NT. It is translated “coming” or “presence”. In 17 of the 24 appearances in the NT it refers to Christ’s arrival and continuing presence. It cannot be overemphasized, that it refers to more than His initial arrival. It involves the whole of Christ’s activity after He is sent by the Father (Gal 4:4; Acts 3:19-21). His first coming was more than His conception. It involved His life, ministry, death, burial, and resurrection. So also, shall His second coming (parousia) involve much more than His initial appearing. It will include all His eschatological activity through the millennium at the least.

      The classic rapture passage is a description of our gathering unto Christ at this parousia, Christ’s second.

      1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the COMING [parousia] of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

      Our gathering unto Christ at the rapture is associated with the Parousia, His second coming.

      2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the COMING [parousia] of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by OUR GATHERING TOGETHER UNTO HIM,

      It is at this coming [parousia] that we are rescued, before the wrath falls, like Noah and Lot were rescued first.

      Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the COMING [parousia] of the Son of man be.
      Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
      Mat 24:39 AND KNEW NOT until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the COMING [parousia] of the Son of man be.

      It is at this coming that Christ will REVEAL Himself in glory with the mighty angels. Notice that His Revelation takes place at His Parousia.

      Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
      Luk 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
      Luk 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
      Luk 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
      Luk 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is REVEALED [apokalupsis].

      Jesus taught that the wrath that He brings at His coming and revelation is unexpected by the unbelieving, Beast worshiping, earth dwellers. He also taught that the righteous (those justified in Him) would be taken to safety before His wrath falls. There is one more important truth that He emphasizes in the Luke 17:26-30 passage. It is the same day connection between our rescue and His wrath falling upon our persecutors.

      It is at this COMING and REVELATION that the persecuted church will rest from persecution and Christ will, in RECOMPENSE, begin to tribulate those who persecuted us.

      2Th 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to RECOMPENCE tribulation to them that trouble you;
      2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be REVEALED [apokalupsis] from heaven with his mighty angels,
      2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking VENGEANCE on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
      2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
      2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

      It is this coming that initiates the day of the Lord, the period of God’s eschatological wrath. It is a RECOMPENCE of VENGEANCE upon those who persecuted us who are His elect.

      Isa 34:8 For it is the day of the LORD’S VENGEANCE, and the year of RECOMPENCES for the controversy of Zion.

      Isa 35:4 Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with VENGEANCE, even God with a RECOMPENCE; he will come and save you.

      It is a response to the cries of the saints that their blood be avenged upon the Beast worshiping, earth-dwellers who persecuted them.

      Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
      Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and AVENGE our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
      Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

      When the final number of those to die as martyrs in the great tribulation is fulfilled, Christ will come speedily and avenge them. But between the many who fall away and those slain as martyrs shall there be Faith on the earth?

      Luk 18:7 And shall not God AVENGE his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
      Luk 18:8 I tell you that he will AVENGE them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

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    9. Steve Conley says:

      Continued from above

      Jesus said that the violent persecution of the great tribulation will cause “many to be offended” and the false prophets of that day, who use lying signs and wonders, “shall deceive many.” Will any believers remain?

      Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
      Mat 24:10 And THEN SHALL MANY BE OFFENDED, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
      Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and SHALL DECEIVE MANY.

      Paul referred to this falling away, saying that it must come before Christ’s Parousia, before His day.

      2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come A FALLING AWAY first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

      Jesus says that the days of that unprecedented persecution and supernatural deception must be shortened (cut short) to save some of the elect alive upon the earth.

      Mat 24:21 For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
      Mat 24:22 And except THOSE DAYS should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

      It is these who make it through the great tribulation persecution of the elect, that are “ALIVE AND REMAIN” when Christ comes.

      1Th 4:17 Then we which are ALIVE AND REMAIN shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

      It is they of whom Christ said:

      Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same SHALL BE SAVED.

      The salvation in context is the physical deliverance that shall come at Christ’s appearing and revelation. It is that salvation that we are appointed unto in 1Thes 5:9.

      1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
      1Th 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

      The wrath, that we are not appointed unto, is God’s wrath in the day of the Lord. We see this from the context of 1Thes 5:9 as seen in verses 2 and 3. Notice that the sudden (unexpected) destruction comes upon the earth dwellers in the day of the Lord.

      1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
      1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
      1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

      Notice that the wrath of God in the day of the Lord comes unexpectedly upon the unbelieving, Beast worshiping, earth dwellers. But we are told that we are not in darkness that the day should overtake us as a thief. Christ’s arrival will not be unexpected for us because Christ has given us many signs which will precede His coming.

      The sign that immediately precedes Christ’s arrival in the clouds with the mighty angels is that cosmic sign that was said to come before the day of the Lord. It is the darkening of the sun, moon, and stars that is often spoken of in association with the day of His fierce wrath.

      Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

      John sees this very sign when the sixth seal is opened. It follows a great earthquake that moves mountains and islands out of their places.

      Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
      Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
      Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

      These are the very events that Jesus says, when we see them, to be encouraged (“lift up your heads”) and look to the sky (“look up”) for our redemption is nigh. He communicated that when these things happen, He will arrive to gather us unto himself at any moment. Notice how Jesus describes the effects of the great earthquake, “the sea and the waves roaring”. Even the fear, perplexity, and distress match John’s description in Rev 6:15-17 and Isaiah’s in Isa 2:19.

      Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
      Luk 21:26 Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
      Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
      Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

      After the cosmic sign Jesus will be revealed coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Every eye will see Him with the mighty angels.

      Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

      Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
      Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
      Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

      It is following His revelation that Christ raises the dead (1Cor 15:23), changes the survivors of the great tribulation (1Cor 15:51-52), and gathers us to Himself via the angels (1Thes 4:15-17; Matt 24:31). Notice that the cosmic sign comes after the great tribulation (Matt 24:29). The tribulation of those days is the great tribulation referred to by that name in verses 21-22.

      May our gracious Lord open your eyes to these truths.

    10. Mat. 24:41 “one will be taken and the other left behind.“

      This is an obvious pointer to the fact that the Rapture will happen at the beginning of the great tribulation because some will be “left behind.“

      If the Rapture were to happen at the same time as the second coming what would the unbelievers be “left behind” too?
      – since when Jesus and the Saints of heaven come back down to the earth they will set up their 1000 year reign among all the nations. So at the second coming it is the angels who are in heaven that are actually left behind not the unbelievers on the earth.??‍♂️?

  5. Steve Conley says:

    Dr. Gause has failed to grasp the difference between the great tribulation and the day of the Lord.

    He is not alone in this regard. Many fail to distinguish between the period of unprecedented persecution of the elect and ethnic Israel and the period of God’s eschatological wrath. The first Jesus called megas thlipsis (great tribulation); the second is the day of the Lord, which begins with Christ’s arrival at His parousia. The wrath that is present in each period has a different source, object, and expression.

    In the period of unprecedented persecution that Jesus called great tribulation, we find the wrath of Satan (Rev 12:12), through the Beast (Rev 13:7), upon the elect (Matt 24:9, 22, 24, 31; Romans 8:33; 11:7) and ethnic Israel (Deut 4:30; 32:36; Jer 30:7; Dan 12:1, 7; Rev 12:9-17) in the form of economic isolation (Rev 13:17), violent persecution (Matt 24:9, 22), supernatural deception (Matt 24:24; 2Thes 2:9) and beheading (Rev 20:4).

    The day of the Lord is markedly different from the great tribulation. In the day of the Lord the wrath is from God (Rev 6:16-17; 15:1), upon the unbelieving (2Thes 1:8), saints persecuting (2Thes 1:6; Rev 6:9-11; Dan 7:25; Rev 13:7), Beast worshiping (Rev 14:10), earth-dwellers (Rev 3:10), as a recompense of vengeance (Isa 34:8; 35:4; 2Thes 1:6-8) in the form of the trumpet and vial judgments (Rev 8-9; 16-19). Not only is the character of the two periods totally different, but their relationship to the cosmic sign that the Prophets, Christ, and the Apostles spoke of is the opposite.

    We are told that the day of the Lord comes after the cosmic sign, but that the great tribulation comes before it (Joel 2:31; Matt 24:29; Rev 6:12). This is incontrovertible evidence that the eschatological wrath of God is not present in the great tribulation, but only comes after the sun, moon, and stars go dark in the day of the Lord.

  6. Troy Day says:

    hahah
    the 2nd coming of which the rapture of the Church is one of Christ’s first activities.

    first ??
    activities.??
    really ??
    I would like the verse where you see the word ACTIVITIES
    this aint your dems pep rally feller
    get with the schedule already

    WHERE are you getting this jokes from? Just look at what you said even YOU admit rapture and 2nd coming are 2 separate events 🙂 hahah 6 months later absolutely NO progress in you logic even regress like your idol Biden you quote all the time J
    has written a wonderful book disproving your fake theology It is about time you read it and get educated a bit on the subject

    1. Steve Conley says:

      Troy Day The rapture is our ride into the clouds to be with Jesus. The second parousia involves Christ’s future return, particularly His arrival and continuing presence, that is, all His activities thereafter. His parousia is a period of time that begins with His revelation and continues through the 1000 years at the least. It is Christ’s day or as it is also called “the day of the Lord”. It is on the first day of His parousia that the rapture takes place.

    2. Troy Day says:

      Steve Conley you appear to say a LOT but it is usually just copy paste from another post we’ve already read. Now are you ready to shush for a bit an hear a real theology on this subject?

  7. Troy Day says:

    @Neil Steven Lawrence Gause says in this short lecture:
    “the promises of Christ to escape God‘s wrath are not escapism but prudent and advantageous for the believers.”

    I am shocked Rob Burr refuses to admit it while Erick Alfaro claims the video is mid trib. Such claim makes NO sense if you actually watch the video

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