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Now here is a post that will make you want to kick your momma!

I have been contemplating the surprise announcement that Mitch Maloney made at the assembly, refusing the nomination of assistant Missions director. He was applauded and subsequently lauded with praise.

I have given this much thought. Mitch is a good friend of mine from Lee College.

This demonstrates cronyism in the male dominated leadership. He received special treatment from the floor and the chairman. He deserved some measure of chastisement and he didn’t use wisdom in going public.

He will suffer for this in the church. He was given an executive committee appointment to serve in a national missions position. (He had stated he could not do the travel of the assistant world missions director) He will suffer for this in his personal life and career. It is a part of the system and the way it works. He will hear from executives on a regular basis about this and they won’t let him forget.

How many church of God ministers have gone to their administrator bishops with similar circumstances? How many have been shown special treatment? How many have suffered from such complaints?

This works only if you are in the good ol boys network.

I served 7 years in isolated pastorates in Turkey and Italy and due to my wife’s mother cancer we left to return to the states. I was reassured that when I returned I would receive a stateside pastorate. I went to the assembly and waited and waited for an appointment. I finally received an appointment to pastor in East St Louis. Out of nowhere someone came and advised to reconsider that due to certain situations.

I went back to the assistant General Overseer and refused the offer and this was not good but was in the best interest of my family. In frustration he said to give him a call after the assembly.

I returned home and waited sufficiently and then called and was abruptly told that I had one offer and that was it and not to bother asking for another. I reminded him that we had served faithfully in Europe for seven years and surely I was due more consideration than just the one offer. That was all. I was not in the club so to speak. I was hurt, my wife and I both, and were left to take care of my wife’s mother’s sickness and she died in a couple weeks.

I did not sit back but fought the system from outside the system. I had some help from Cleveland of men who knew the system and knew it was cronyism.

Untold hundreds if not thousands of such stories exist and the young men who want to enter the ministry have this barrier to go through. This is system that is still at work and has not changed.

What is an interesting development is that Mark Williams was already slated to be the pastor at North Cleveland and perhaps ethically should have excused himself from moderating this due to his conflicted interest.

Discussion

26 comments

  1. Did you ever get a pastorate ?

  2. Charles Page says:

    yes, finally went to Chicago metro hdqtrs’ church in Glyn Ellyn

  3. Charles Page says:

    lasted a year there and went back to Germany

  4. Link Hudson says:

    Kick your momma? What an unnerving expression. I”ve never heard that one before.

  5. Charles Page says:

    The post should be unnerving

  6. He was appointed as director of USA missions

  7. Charles Page says:

    It has Godfather angles

  8. I totally agree with his decision.
    It is first
    our personal relationship with God.
    Then our marital relationship.
    Third is our family.
    Then ministry.
    Then church.

    There are distinct differences between God, the ministry, and the church.

    Why would he accept a position having just resigned one?

    Maybes the error was all those voting their purpose instead of “God’s”?

    Try the Spirits to see if they be of God.

    We can’t judge his situation from your previous situation.

  9. Charles Page says:

    I disagree with the timing of his decision.

  10. Charles Page says:

    I am not judging him however I am drawing conclusions.

  11. I don’t, he made his decision before the vote when he had previously resigned the other position.

    According to the chair/moderator he was well within order to remove his name and decline the nomination at that time.

  12. Charles Page says:

    Why would women want to be a part of this kind of ministerial network?

  13. Tony Sawyer says:

    It is very sad Pastor Charles & i have seen it at least twice before so i know it happens in the ministry just like in politics !!! They put their friends in a position because they have the authority to help them & if you aren’t one of the good ol boys you get the worst appointment. In fact i have seen it alot more than a few times here in Ms. & Al. & La. because i had close ties as a friend or relative. i have seen a young & sometimes an older preacher or pastor go into a city or town & start a church or take one with 10 to 30 people & get it to rocking & being a thriving church in attendance & tithes & offerings & move them somewhere else & put a friend in where they did all the work !!!

  14. What you text Tony Sawyer about successful pastors being replaced with friends of those in authority is a historical fact.

  15. Tony Sawyer says:

    I know Dollas it is sad that most of us at important times don’t ask God for direction in our lives & if they are in some important position in the church then their decisions aren’t God’s will but their own. So sad !!!

  16. Link Hudson says:

    Is the system of having an organization appoint a guy from outside the congregation, who had no part in planning or establishing it biblical? I feel for people in this situation. I’ve lived and ministered in churches outside of the US, and I’ve been unemployed. IMO, it makes sense to trust God for provision, going into the situation with that minset, nit expecting a denomination to guarantee a way of making a living. I’ve had a teachon

  17. Tim Hall says:

    I went to Nicholasville Kentucky took a church that didn’t even have a regular building we had to move seven times in three years because the former pastor sold the old church without a contract that I never needed to be paid off as long as rent was paid they never had to pay the building off. We were given 30 minutes to think about it (yes or no). Overseer said it was a good opportunity, we got there and almost starved. Stay 3 years Brother Hall and if you don’t like it we will move you. After 3 years and several meetings with the new Overseer I was given yes given a church in southern Indiana, as a first time pastor in the COG I believed what I was told “resign your church Wednesday night you will be at the new church in Indiana this Sunday”.. The pastors wife at the church in Indiana had over a few years taken over 10,000.00 illegally. Well that same night I resigned they had a meeting in Ind. but the pastors wife apologized and they decided to let them stay. After 3 days I called the Overseer and was told your out of luck. Either go to a church where the floor had fallen and in the parsonage and the pastor got $100 a week or you out of the loop. That just want example I was lied to them on three different occasions by three different overseers. I agree if you’re not in the buddy system you’re in the discard system

  18. Charles Page says:

    Thanks for sharing! So sad

  19. Link Hudson says:

    With Internet forums and discussiobs nowadays I hope any COG (Cleveland) preacher starting out would know he needs to have a job in addition to his ministry. Biblically, does it make sense to think that a preacher should expect to be given a church. Apostles who planted churches have aright to live of the gospel. Congratulations should honor their elders. Churches don’t exist to feed preachers and their families.

  20. Link Hudson says:

    There is a problem with preachers just having preaching as a vocation. If it real soul wing evangelism they have a right to live of the gospel. But Paul made tents. Timothy may have done so too, because Paul was.able

  21. Link
    Exactly,
    The trend of pastors supported entirely by the Gospel are fewer and fewer.

    I have been bivocational for 5 years. Just left my job of 16 years to concentrate on family and ministry. Through planning and the secular job I will not have to be bivocational for the next 2-3 years as I concentrate my efforts on family, ministry, and starting my own company.

    Younger, up and coming Ministers need to be told that and expect it to be hard, not an easy road.

    I call it them having undue expectations.

  22. No surprise. I think Walker refused the nominations for assistant general overseer until he got the general overseer.

  23. Link Hudson says:

    One of the big problems with the ‘religious system’ is treating the pastoral ministry like a job, like a vocation. An engineering student borrows some huge amount of money to go to school and expects a job that pays a certain salary to pay off his debts. The theology student goes to Bible college or seminary and if he expects a certain salary… it doesn’t always turn out that way. A lot of denominations treat pastoring like a regular job, too. The COG is kind of traditionally minded in this way to a certain extent, especially in Indonesia. Some of the churches, at least, are.

    In one of the denominations within the GBI (COG Indonesia) denomination (a mother church with daughter churches, with its own rules and bureacracy layered on the lighter GBI rules), there was this attitude that if someone were ordained as a preacher, he probably shouldn’t be working a secular job. But in a lot of these denominations, the top guy at the mother church is swimming in cash, while the assistants at the branches may have little to live on. I know a man who planted a few churches. His first church there was part of a GBI ‘franchise’ off of a mother church. He had to pay them 30 something million a month, a huge amount here, a few thousand dollars, to be a part of the franchise. They didn’t offer any support, though, so eventually he tired of the arrangement. He went into politics, believing the Lord had called him to do that, but will probably plant another church, soon.

    Here in Indonesia, a lot of preachers went to Bible college in their early 20’s. In some families, they may send the first son to school to be a doctor or lawyer, the second one to be an engineer, and the third one… well, they are out of money, or he isn’t as good at math, so send him to Bible college. Or maybe he’s naughty, so send him to Bible college, that may straighten him out. You have that mixed with young people who have a burning desire to minister and may sense the call of God on their life. One of the Pentecostal seminaries here had to kick some young people out for homosexuality in the bathroom. There were some demonized students who needed to be delivered. That’s in a Bible College.

    Treating ministry like a vocation, where you can go to school and just get a job doing it, is a big problem. My wife’s sister is in a Lutheran-Reformed denomination, an ethnic denomination where preachers are highly honored and people in the congregation can be very generous with them. She left one church and people gave her huge sums of cash. When her family went to the airport, an enterage went with her. I just came back from a dinner where one of the congregants and elders from the congregation paid for our ‘shabu shabu’ hot pot dinner so she could see us again before she goes overseas.

    On the one hand, honoring preachers is a good thing. I wouldn’t want to see people who are really laboring in the Gospel starving while others ignore them. But I can also see that young people seeing career options see they could go to a relatively low cost Bible college and be highly honored and provided for, called ‘father’ or ‘mother’ and treated like an honored guest, be greeted with greetings in the marketplace and being treated to the uppermost rooms at feasts. It could attract people with the wrong motivations at times.

    There are plenty of Pentecostal preachers here who make big money, but a relatively small percentage. The ones who work for the big churches may need to start out with a subsistance wage playing the guitar at church. In some large churches, these types of ministries have been taken up by Bible College grads in the first rung of their career, leaving little space for ‘regular believers’ to minister in this capacity. Or a new preacher could decide to start a new work or work in a village where there is no guaranteed paycheck.

    Maybe he could get a job. I remember hearing a COG/GBI Bible college grad here lament that she saw one of her Bible college graduate friends working in a ‘wartell’, a place where you pay to make phone calls, instead of at a church. I wondered if a wartel worker had a lot of opportunities to evangelize. My guess is a soul winner might do more soul winning as a taxi driver than working in a church organization.

  24. Kim Borders says:

    My husband was lied to with every church he took, but let’s face it this system does not shadow Heaven.

  25. Well, My wife and I were appointed to our church as a punishment.
    LoL
    5 years later we are still here, still standing. God is blessing.
    The members and attendees love us and we love them.

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