Im curious, as someone who believes the scriptures overwhelmingly support a pre-trib rapture:
How do individuals harmonize the teaching of the doctrine of Immanency, with the teaching that the letters of the seven churches of Revelation are prophetic states of the church?
In my mind there is no way to reconcile that. Please change my mind……
There are many, many problems not only with “pre-mil”, but also with “rapture.”
These are sensationalist teachings that ignore plain Scripture and history.
We must read Matthew 24 and pay very close attention to the context? Who is Jesus talking to? What does Jesus prophecy will happen? And also when? Also, how can we conclude whether or not Jesus is prophesying the end of the physical cosmos? Let’s look at the Greek! Ok. So “ion” which means “age” is used… So Jesus is promising the end of an age? What age? Could it be covenental? Ah Ha! We are onto something… Now when the New Testament speaks of “the age” we can reconcile what The New Testament is referring to…. the Kingdom of God is among us! Jesus Christ already won when he died on that cross! Does this mean he wont be back? ABSOLUTELY NOT! He will be back for the ressurection! Just my 2 cents! God bless!
To me the whole point of Revelation is that we as individuals need to make sure we have a relationship with Jesus. If we do not, then we need to repent and confess our sins, allow God to work in us.
We also need to be fulfilling the great commission. Going forth into the world making disciples, baptizing and teaching them about God and Jesus.
We should not be worrying about when Jesus is coming back. We do need to be busy about doing God’s work.
If that’s a problem then you find the same problem with why God walked among Adam yet knew/allowed/ordained (you pick the metaphysical state of affairs) original sin and a consequence of suffering to come and furthermore the redemptive act of Christ’s final sacrifice for redemption.
We lived trapped in time, so we tease out seeming contradiction from all of this. IMO.
Expectancy is a biblical idea. Immanence is a made up idea to support the pretrib rapture. Immanence says there are no preconditions before the day of the Lord, but There are many prophecies that we are told will occur before the Day of the Lord occurs. 2nd Thessalonians promises we will see the Antichrist and the falling away BEFORE the day of the lord. The pretrib position has really not dealt with this clear teaching. Nor should it. It is a clear teaching. After looking into this and many other passages on the day of the Lord from the new and Old Testament I ended up in the prewrath camp. Believers will be spared from wrath of the Lord in the trumpets and the bowls.. but not from the persecution of the Antichrist described in seals 1-5. The bride of Christ will be made spotless through persecution. I know that isn’t comfortable to hear but it is the truth.
*Imminence* guys…. just sayin’
I think to understand that one really needs to grasp the 70 weeks of Daniel. It’s plain to see that by that prophecy only 69 of the 70 weeks have been fulfilled. The reign of Christ could have already happened however because of Israel’s unbelief God turned back to the nation’s (gentiles) and graft us in to salvation. It will stay that way till the time of the gentiles be fulfilled which we refer to as the church age or grace dispensation. When that age is fulfilled God will again turn to Israel to finish up the promise of the 70 weeks. So the fact the tribulation is a 7 year period, and there is still a promised 7 year judgement remaining helps bring understanding to the question. The Bible says this is a time of Jacobs trouble. Who is Jacob? Israel. At the end of the tribulation then what is promised to happen in Daniels prophecy will come to fulfillment.
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