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ATTENTION! Calvinists and non-Calvinists

In response to the issues regarding Calvinism and those who are against it, we would like for everyone to know that the group’s administration DOESN’T view Calvinism, Arminianism, or Molinism as heresy, and though they are in conflict with one another, we view them as Biblically acceptable differences that varies in explaining God’s sovereignty and man’s responsibility. We don’t expect everyone to agree with this but we expect everyone to respect the group’s disposition on this matter

“Well, I’m neither a Calvinist nor an Arminian”

If you believe that God is outside of time and that He knows all true propositions, in the past, the present, and the future, then you should realize that to be consistent on this “neither a Calvinist nor an Arminian” position, you should totally abstain from engaging in topics related to Ordo Salutis (Order of Salvation), libertarian free will, God’s sovereignty and providence, man’s responsibility and culpability, etc., otherwise, if you engage, then you’re affirming one or more tenets that either of the camps teaches. You might say “but I’m only affirming what the Scripture says”, well, that’s what Calvinists and Arminians would also say. Even Molinists affirms tenets in Calvinism such as “meticulous providence”, but not to the point that human “libertarian free will” is obliterated, a tenet in Arminianism

Having said this, we will allow topics (in moderation) regarding Calvinism, Arminianism, or Molinism and you can disagree with those posts as much as you like BUT we expect everyone to abide to the following rules:

– Don’t accuse the opposing camp of “heresy”
– Humor is welcome so long as it doesn’t escalate into mockery
– Laugh reacts are prohibited unless the post or the comment is intended to be humorous

A violation of the above rules would mean AUTOMATIC REMOVAL from the group WITHOUT FURTHER WARNING

Discussion

51 comments

  1. Beau Boyd says:

    As a Calvinist, I can appreciate the sentiments within this foreordained message. 🙂

  2. John Carson says:

    If a person we converse with makes an heretical statement, are you saying we cannot call it what it is and warn them of such heresy out of our love for God and others following such conversations? I’m not asking to be difficult, I just want to know if this is the official position for conversational conduct for members of this group.

    It is quite apparent that there are members here who are in cults and other heretical movements that are purposely trying to ’steal the sheep’. Silence is a killer, because not calling something what it is when you know you should leads others to conclude it is an acceptable road to follow.

  3. Joshua Rebacca says:

    Are you responsible for the people that will mislead?

  4. Joshua Rebacca says:

    Sounds good but lie will still be lie.

  5. Heather Erica Kennedy says:

    Do we all believe in the Trinity all three divine Father Son and Holy Spirit… (mia ouisa and trei hypostases) and Jesus both fully man and fully God… (homoouisias) and Jesus really did rise again after He died for our sins? If yes then Calvin, Luther, Athanasius and thousands of martyred Christians from ALL denominations are all sitting in heaven together right now having fully awesome conversations with Jesus. (Or will do later, if you believe those who have passed away are currently asleep. Whatever).

  6. Joshua Rebacca says:

    Lie will give us false hope and assumptions.

  7. Joshua Rebacca says:

    Lie will make us believe something that is not true. If we will.believe something that is not true we will.live in errors.

  8. Joshua Rebacca says:

    We only live once. Once we die there’s no turning back.

  9. Joshua Rebacca says:

    All doctrines that is.one.sided scriptures is a lie.

  10. Bob Hawkins says:

    Yeah, we all need to lighten up a bit.

  11. Chad Turner says:

    We need a face palm emoji.

  12. Bob Hawkins says:

    In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, charity.

    Augustine

  13. Wyatt McIntyre says:

    I am “neither a Calvinist or an Arminian” (Lutheran), but I think we have forgotten something very important in our history, namely the catholicity of the Church. On a great many issues in the Early Church there was a wide variety of thoughts on what Scriptures said. As long as you could affirm the faith in what would become the creeds, meant to guard us from heresies, such as Gnosticism or Arianism, we could still find a unity in Christ. I am not saying that we all need to go to a Lutheran or a Reformed or an Arminian church. What I am saying is that, ultimately we are brothers and sisters in faith, and we should edify and affirm each other as such even in our differences.

  14. Richard Byron Mator says:

    I think the Holy Spirit guides us to the Savior but beyond that we have to dig for the rest. Thus, theres over 500 Christian cults in the Us. I’ve studied many Faith’s and have ended up believing that not a one has all of the truth. As for Calvanism, they are indeed A Christian faith. Their central belief is the deity of Christ.

  15. Luke Lefebvre says:

    People misinterpret the work of apostolic elders within the first 300 years thinking it’s Catholic Roman Catholic but it’s not

  16. Madison Willoughby says:

    So, we can’t call Calvinism, Arminianism or Molinism heretical, but every other religion is on the table and can be called out as heretical? Do I understand correctly? I’m just learning about all these crazy names people have applied to different understandings of scripture, but why is it that you get to decide for me what is considered heretical? I mean if we are all on here to serve as apologists and we don’t speak up when we feel convicted that someone is being misled, of what use are we?

    You say you want the truth spoken, yet you censor what we say.

    Now, I absolutely agree that more kindness is needed, but we are called to expose the evil works in this world (Ephesians 5:11), and countless other scriptures call us to expose false teachers, and the failing to do so means we participate in their work (2 John 7-11 for one). So, if someone holds to these three understandings of scripture we are not allowed to call them out on the unscriptural basis for their teachings? Is that correct?

  17. Ray Strobel says:

    I thought this was the Arminianism Vs Calvinism group I was in and was a bit confused lol

  18. Joe A Smith says:

    Well only one position can be True .
    Jesus taught Monergism.
    So if you are to be Logically consistent with Scripture you would be a Monegist .
    If you believe man has better teaching than you can be a Synergist

  19. Martin Vandenhoven says:

    Election and Free Will are Biblical!

  20. Kathy DeVoss says:

    I am here because I like people and like hearing what others have to say, even if I don’t agree.. conversations can get intense and that is ok as long as there is not belittling or use of profanity. You don’t need to scream to be heard. Most people are not deaf.. I know this group has helped me reaffirm my beliefs. We need to remember that there are unbelievers in this group and our Christian conduct is important

  21. Arthur Adam Haglund says:

    I joined this group to get away from the calvinist debate. But those kind of things seem to be the natural degeneration in debate. It will have to come down to that it some point because so much of the basics in Christian apologetics eventually comes down to Free Will or no free will

  22. Duane Wallenstein says:

    An intellectual approach to the issue. I’d never heard the term “Molinism” before – that’s something I’ll need to research a bit.

  23. Joe A Smith says:

    Libertarian Freewill is an affront to the Sovereignty of God.
    It makes men equal to God and it is not found in the pages of scripture.
    Jesus even refutes the idea.

  24. Clark Campbell says:

    I think I agree with this. I definitely see merit in each view and never talk down on anyone who holds to Calvinism, Molinism or Arminianism specifically as I feel each position has merit. But as someone who takes a “time” stance referenced in the post, I’m not sure I understand what is meant by abstaining from such topics? I feel such a stance actually harmonizes the main points of each stance. My personal conclusion on the matter can be found here: https://theologetics315.wordpress.com/2015/12/14/option-c-the-time-salvation-paradox/

    I’m just unsure why someone with a time related stance shouldn’t have a voice on these subjects.

  25. Kent Wilkens says:

    – Laugh reacts are prohibited unless the post or the comment is intended to be humorous

    from the laugh reacts I am hoping that some consider this directive to be intended to be humourous?

  26. Lukas Dohnal says:

    To say “I am Calvinist” or I am this or that, is in direct contradiction with the truth. I am not saying Calvin was wrong, I am saying you belong to Christ, not Calvin. 1 Corinthians 1/12-14

  27. Bob Jones says:

    Calvinism teaches that God loves some and hates the rest, this is a false teaching

  28. Kubowaki Julia says:

    Stop with man made tradition,stick to the Bible ONLY

  29. Joseph William Luna says:

    Was Jesus a Calvinist or a non-Calvinist? The correct response is neither. In my case, I follow the Lord, not certain beliefs that attempt to place me in a religious box called “Non-Calvninist” or “Calvinist.” Please change your wording to include the rest of us.

  30. Miguelito Lumancas says:

    Molinism, I never heard this

  31. Kent Morris says:

    If you want to remove me for backing up my faith with scripture then you might have to remove me. It doesn’t help anyone to stifle discussions on Biblical doctrine. In fact it’s important.
    Now I get where you’re coming from wanting to be a non-denominational group, and it’s not like I think everyone who disagrees with me is hell bound, but barring speech won’t help anyone grow in the word and their faith. Especially when scripture is used and applied correctly.

  32. Scott Kirby says:

    There is nothing biblical about Mormonism, nor do they exknowledge the true God whom created all etc, nor trinitarian theology, and certainly not divine sovereignty!

    Clearly the administrator is not born-again, why wound you create a page like this where Mormonism is said to be biblical where there is nothing about it which is even close to Christianity!

  33. Trent Blake says:

    So… anyone who disagrees with me is a heretic? Got it! ??

  34. Trent Blake says:

    I am incredibly happy that there’s another Molinist out there. I feel like most have been wiped out like the Jedi in Revenge of the Sith. Hats off to you.

  35. Haley Miranda Stuver says:
  36. Dennis Demo says:

    Respect? Even Jesus did not respect twisted theology!! I thought this was a CHRISTian group.

  37. GaryRuth Coram Deo McFeaters says:

    How does that reflect on The Spirit as a teacher? Has He failed to lead intro all truth? This is VERY important and SERIOUS!

    Grace!

  38. Shane Johnson says:

    One of the problems is that many Arminians today are not even Arminian .. They are full bore Pelagian which is outright heresy … and Jacob Arminius would even be much to Calvinistic for them … I can debate and have fellowship with a true Arminian because we most all start out that way … but if I see pelagianism I will call it what it is .. Heresy … Even if it be flying under the banner of Arminianism

  39. Fred Galvez says:

    some of my family members were Armenian ..?

  40. Scott Foster Harris says:

    Well stated! As long as the issue at hand is not a salvation issue then disagreements aren’t too big of a deal.

  41. Charles Green says:

    Amen! I made a post about my points of calvinism and the talk was good, like Iron sharpening Iron. There is only one Gospel and that we all agree upon!

  42. Anthony Bryant Sr. says:

    One camp must be more biblical than the other. The question to me is what does the scripture say at the end of the day, at the end of the argument? John 3:16-21 “Who so Every and God did not for the elect we become the elect the moment we believe. Ephesians 1:12-13 Christ was chosen from the foundation of the world and we who become in Christ become chosen after we have accepted Christ.

  43. Johnathon Morris says:

    People are not the arbitors of what is or isn’t herassy regardless of mutual agreement between individuals no matter the amount, status, or merit, the Bible is the standard of how we determine what is or isn’t herassy. Any doctrine that is of man and not of the Bible through and through is indeed, herassy.

  44. Karl Ernst Von Buddenbrock says:

    Your logo pretty much says it all. Only reformed theology agrees with all five …

  45. Peter Taylor says:

    Moreover, Arminianism as far as Scriptural accuracy is concerned, is heretical. bye

  46. Brad Watson says:

    What? All Christians don’t agree on everything?!

  47. Theodore A. Jones says:

    “For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.” Romans 2:13

  48. McKenzie McAdoo says:
  49. Karl Ernst Von Buddenbrock says:

    I’m quite disappointed in Lane Craig for trying to find middle ground. Molinism seems to be a fudge. If it’s about God’s “purpose”, then he will force us into heaven, despite our intense desire to go the other way.

  50. Mong Santiago says:

    Turning off comments section now

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