Logical Arguments for (Christian) God The Universe is not eternal….

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1. Ed Atkinson says:

   May 1, 2020 at 5:56 am

   Quoting … “Conclusion: An Uncaused Cause must exist (cannot be self caused). He is infinite, unchanging all knowing, all powerful , all perfect. Also, non spatial, non temporal …”

   Your premises only established An Uncaused Cause (if it works as an argument). The rest there is largely made up, like :
   He
   infinite
   all knowing,
   all powerful ,
   all perfect.

   These seem plausible though: non spatial, non temporal

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2. Andy John says:

   May 1, 2020 at 7:00 am

   Pretty sure I can disprove this.
   – “the universe is not eternal.” Please demonstrate this?

   – “nothing material can exist without a cause”. False statement. Prove this point. Plenty of things exist without causes.

   – “only one eternal infinite uncaused being can exist”. Prove this statement?

   “Conclusion: an uncaused cause must exist (cannot be self caused). He is unchanging, infinite, all knowing, all powerful, all perfect”.
   You must demonstrate why each of these are being assigned to this uncaused cause. You havent justified them
   Also, you’ve asserted its a He. Prove this statement.

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3. Gerald Corpuz says:

   May 1, 2020 at 1:03 pm

   i’m a theist but isn’t law of causality limited to nature only? or somehow does it exceed to supernatural realm too?

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4. Gerald Corpuz says:

   May 1, 2020 at 1:11 pm

   PSR by Leibniz is much better for example, “For everything that exists, there must be an explanation for why it exists, either in the necessity of its nature or by external explanation (or cause).” this is somehow related to contingency and cosmological argument, and even somehow connected to first cause argument. and thomas aquinas’ third way argument. even avicenna (ibn sina), a muslim philosopher argued this way.

   you may watch InspiringPhilosophy’s formulation of this argument from his youtube channel

   P.S., even Dr. Craig has a good argument about this in his book reasonable faith.

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5. Gerald Corpuz says:

   May 1, 2020 at 1:30 pm

   aquinas can even argue in this way:

   if everything that exists is a possible thing, then there must be a moment where nothing exists. nothing causes nothing, not something. but we observe something. therefore, it is impossible that everything that exists is a possible thing. therefore, there must be a necessary existing thing in which all contingent things are dependent upon it for their existence.

   (when i say possible thing above in my argument, i mean a contingent thing, and contingent things are somehow things that can’t cause itself to exist, it may fail to exist, because it’s existence is dependent on external cause).

   what makes that “it” a being, and not just a mere substance? (being = with mind or intellect; substance = no mind and intellect)

   if it is a mere substance, then it will remain the same as it is (if that substance is necessary existing). everything that exists or the whole system of contingent natural things would remain a pre-existent state. in order for something changeless to make something, the action of that “making” must extend again to causes, (in which the effects depends its existence) and will reach the ad infinitum problem again. therefore, that “it” must be personal, and why would that be? that necessary existing can decide or choose something to exist. a volitional cause. necessary existing substance would remain as it is always, always a pre existing state of every contingent things, because it cannot choose to create. that “it” cannot be substance, it must be a being.

   this is all what i can say for now.

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6. Phil Lewis says:

   May 1, 2020 at 3:11 pm

   I like the mathematical argument. Consider this: there is a possibility that the components of a smartphone could self-assemble by random occurrence. That number is very small, but not zero. Given that the likelihood of a smartphone assembling by random occurrence is so low, it is more reasonable to suspect an engineer exists who produced the phone. Now consider the complexity of the universe and life compared to a smartphone. Again, the mathematics alone suggest God likely exists.

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