ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED???
Once saved, always saved? Do you know what these words mean? It means, that if you had received Jesus Christ as your savior, you are already saved from hell or the lake of fire. It is also sending the message, that since you are already saved, you could still commit sins, even future sins, and still you are still saved, because according to this doctrine, you are saved forever. And according to this doctrine, all your sins had been forgiven, that means your past sins, including the sins that you are going to commit in the future. Do you think that this doctrine is biblical, or not biblical? Let us try to analyze the situation.
There are some spiritual congregations that are teaching this doctrine, thereby enticing lots of people to join their congregation. Just imagine, with this doctrine, members do not have to worry about committing sins anymore, because they are already saved forever. After receiving Jesus Christ as your savior, you could still commit rape, adultery, murder, cheat people, etc., and you don’t have to worry about going to hell, because they teach that you are already saved. I will admit that God is good, but not in this kind of logic. How will God saved you from hell, when you keep on committing sin? Is God the author of sin?
Let us take Judas for example. Judas was one of the twelve apostles of Jesus Christ. When Christ took Judas as one of the apostles, Judas was saved, but when Judas betrayed Christ, and sold Christ to the Roman soldiers for thirty pieces of silver, his being saved, was taken away by God. And perhaps by logic, we could surmise where Judas will end. Let me give you another example. There is this brethren, who was a hired killer, and earned his living by killing people for a fee. By some unexplainable circumstances, he found his way to a certain spiritual congregation, and received Christ as his savior. Therefore, according to this doctrine, he is already saved. The problem was, after serving God for a certain length of time, he decided to be a killer for hire again, due to financial difficulties. He started to kill people again for a fee. We know that murder is a big sin in the eyes of God. Do you still think that this man still has the gift of salvation? I don’t think so!
Let me explain the phases of a spiritual salvation. When it says that God had saved you, what does it mean. You are saved from what?
In EPHESIANS 2: 1-9, it states = “As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest we were by nature objects of wrath. But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions — it is by grace you have been saved. And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God — not by works, so that no one can boast.” = ~~~’This is the first phase of our spiritual salvation. Before we learned about Christ, we were living in darkness, that means, our lives were deeply in sin, and the devil was in control of our lives. But because of God’s great love for us, God took us away from this darkness, and transferred us to the care of Jesus Christ. It is by God’s grace that we were taken away from the darkness of sin, not because of our works or deeds, because whatever deeds we had done during our lives in darkness has no importance to God, so that we could never used these deeds we had done to boast. This grace of God which he had given us is a gift from him. From this darkness, we are now in the light, in the care of Jesus Christ, but this does not mean that we are already saved. At this point in time, we had only been saved from darkness. This is just one phase of our spiritual salvation. As you would notice, when God said, ‘IT IS BY GRACE, YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED’, this line is in the past tense. SAVED, is the past tense of SAVE. That means, it already happened. If we are going to refer this word SAVED as being saved from hell, the logic will now be illogical, because, nobody had ever been to heaven or hell yet. To understand this more fully, please read my tract entitled AFTER DEATH. So this word SAVED, refers to us being saved from darkness or sin. At this point in time, we are still waiting to be saved from hell or the lake of fire. The second phase of our spiritual salvation, I will explain in the next verse.
In EPHESIANS 2: 10, it states = “For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.” =~~~ This is now the second phase of our spiritual salvation. Now, that we are now in the care of Christ, it is now our duty to do good works, (not bad works or sin). We have to avoid committing sins, we have to get rid of our bad habits, we have to learn how to serve God, we have to read the bible to know what to do in order to be pleasing to God. If before, we had been killers for hire, we have to try our best not to go back to this kind of job, if we had been thieves before, or murderers, or drunkards or adulterers, etc., we have to start avoiding these kinds of bad traits, because these deeds are not good works. God had said, ‘good works’ not ‘bad works’.
In COLOSSIANS 1: 12-13, it states = “giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the kingdom of light. For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.” = ~~~ In these verses, the message is very clear. We have to thank God the Father, for taking us out of darkness, and bringing us to the care of Jesus Christ, in whom our sins will be forgiven. Now, the question is, why do we have to do good works, after being taken away from darkness? The answers are in the next verses.
In 1 THESSALONIANS 1: 10, it states = “and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead – Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.” =~~~ There will be a judgement day in the future, in which all people will be judged by God according to their deeds. Those who had lived an unrighteous life will be thrown into the lake of fire, for this is the wrath that this verse is talking about. This judgement is proven by this verse in ACTS 17: 31, which states = “For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from the dead.” =~~~ When we are now in the care of Christ, we have to do the will of God, so that Christ can save us from the wrath to come, which is the punishment to be given to unrighteous people after the last judgement. That is why we have to do good works, or try our best not to commit sins.We have to work for this salvation. That means to say, we are not yet save. We have to work to be saved from hell, and attain heaven.
In HEBREW 10: 38-39, it states = “But my righteous ones will live by faith. And if he shrinks back, I will not be pleased with him. But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who believe and are saved.” = ~~~ During the second phase of our spiritual salvation, we have to keep on fighting to attain salvation, because if we shrink back and stop fighting for that salvation, God will not be pleased. Then, it is possible that our salvation will be lost.
In HEBREW 6: 4-6, it states = “It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.” = ~~~ After we had been saved from darkness by the grace of God, and after we had been transferred to the care of Christ, and then we went back to our lives of darkness, then by these actions, we are crucifying Christ in the cross again.
In TITUS 3: 4-7, it states = “But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.” =~~~ These verses speak of the first phase of our salvation. God saved us not because of our works, but because of his mercy. He brought us to Christ through water baptism, and the baptism of the Holy Spirit, so that we might become heirs of eternal life.
In ROMANS 2: 5-8, it states = “But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgement will be revealed. God will give to each person according to what he has done. To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.” = ~~~ These verses speak of the second phase of our salvation. If you insist on doing bad works, then God’s wrath will fall upon you, but if you insist on doing good works, then God will give you eternal life.
In PHILIPPIANS 2: 12, it states = “Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed – not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence – continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,” = ~~~ This verse speaks about the second phase of our salvation. When we had received Christ, Christ had given us the chance to be saved, but being saved depends on us. We have to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. We try not to go back to our lives of darkness, because we fear God.
In ISAIAH 64: 6, it states = “All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags, we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.” = ~~~ When our lives were still in darkness, all our righteous acts were just like dirty rags in the eyes of God. That is why, when God had saved us from darkness, it was by means of his grace, not because of our works, and from darkness we were transferred to Christ.
In JOHN 3: 20-21, it states = “Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.” = ~~~ The moment we had been in the care of Christ, we have to start hating evil things, like going back to darkness. We have to stay in the truth, so that we will be in the light. So, how can you say that when you were saved, committing sins once more will be alright in the sight of God?
In 2 CORINTHIANS 13: 5, it states = “Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you – unless, of course, you fail the test?” = ~~~ When you are now in the second phase of your salvation, you must always be aware that Christ must still be in you, that means to say, stay with the teachings of Christ. The moment, that Christ is not with you anymore, then it means that you had failed the test, you had committed sins again and went back to your life of darkness. Because of this, your salvation had been forsaken.
In GALATIANS 2: 17, it states = “If, while we seek to be justified in Christ, it becomes evident that we ourselves are sinners, does that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not!” =~~~ Christ is not the author of sin. You had committed sin, because you wanted to commit sin. God had saved you from darkness, and brought you to light, but since you wanted to go back to darkness, then that is your own choice. You had chosen that the wrath of God will fall upon you. So, once saved, does not mean that you are forever saved.
In 2 PETER 2: 20-22, it states = “If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true — ‘A dog returns to its vomit, and a sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud.” = ~~~ These verses are actually self-explanatory. When you were in darkness, God had saved you, and had shown you the light. Now, that you were in the light, you decided to go back in darkness. When you do this, you are just like a dog who eats its vomit again.
With all these verses, I had proven that the doctrine which says that ‘ONCE SAVED, YOU ARE ALWAYS SAVED” is totally erroneous, and not biblical. You have to remember that there are two phases in our spiritual salvation. First, God saved you from darkness and transferred you to the light, now that you are now in the light, you have to work for your own salvation, to escape the wrath of God that is to come. That means going back to darkness by committing sins, and forsaking the light, you will end up without salvation.
Thank you.
Judas wasn’t saved!
I may agree but i have one opinion that i feel i need to say regarding this topic, though i didnt read all this (sorry).
I believe that if you truly are christian you would not fall to sin, or atleast try to not commit sin or feel guilt about it that leads to repentance. With the help of the Holy Spirit, living in flesh without sin at all is possible. But yet, we are weak and live in flesh it seems possible. We are sealed by the Holy Spirit who is also a God.
So, if you are saved truly, sins of the flesh is not a choice anymore. We may fall from temptation but not with intent. With Judas, ‘i’ guess he is not in heaven for he didnt repent for his sin and remain faithful to God and His plan.
I hope im clear.
God keeps His own. But they don’t live in sin.
Thank you for explaining and with scripture.
Can I copy this to my personal page?
So Bert Sandoval – do you believe that the Bible teaches that someone can lose their salvation?
How many times did Jesus die? That’s how many times you are saved. As children of God, he does NOT disown us when we do wrong, he does discipline. To be in hell is to not know Christ, and to reject him as a whole. Christ paid for past present and future sins, he died once, we accept him once, and we build our riches from there!
What your missing is what is the heart of the mercenary. If he’s good at his job maybe he joins the marines and does kill bad people for money. Murder is killing the innocent. He would be defending the peace, ordained by the powers of the nation’s which God placed there and subjected us to. You immediate turn him to resort to his old ways without an option. God always gives us a way out of sin. If he chose to sin instead of the other choice then the question is was his heart truly changed, Not is he still saved?
Yes, but not everyone who vlaims or believes they are saved, actually are. A very scary feeling and though. He commands us to work out our own salvation before the Lord.
When a man, woman, child, is truly born again by grace through faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and they have received the indwelling Holy Spirit as the Seal/Guarantor of relationship with God the Father (Ephesians 1:13), they have received the imputation of Messiah’s perfection over their life, forever (2 Corinthians 5:21). God promises to remember their sin no more and past, present, future, sin is cast into the sea of forgetfulness (Hebrews 8:12).
The person who is truly born again, approaches sin from a different perspective than when walking in the flesh and serving Satan in that flesh (Galatians 5:16-26; 1 John 2:1). The redeemed LOATHE sin and loathe the sin-nature that encumbers their NEW NATURE in the Spirit (Romans 7). The redeemed is a NEW CREATION (2 Corinthians 5:17) and is protected, sealed, redeemed, forever in the Holy Spirit and no one, nothing, will snatch them out of the hand of the Son or the Father, forever (John 10:28-30).
The people you discuss that compromise with sin are those our Lord spoke about in the Parable of the Sower and the Seed (Matthew 13). The one who truly loves God and possesses His Spirit, even though they might sin via omission in their old nature that lurks in this decaying flesh…they immediately seek forgiveness for that sin (1 John 1:9), NOT to reestablish their “salvation” but to maintain intimacy with the Lord they love. The faithful are secure in our Lord forever and they will endure to the end (Matthew 24:13).
Ok ok, please inform me then of what i have to do to be saved after believing in my heart, confessing with my mouth, and repenting
1.As you said, salvation is by faith through grace. Now, grace is by God alone and faith too comes from God.
We don’t get salvation by ourself its a gift of/from God.
Thus, if we don’t receive salvation by our works, how can we lose salvation by our works?
2.God is not foolish who gives salvation to one who is not having genuine faith on Him..
No one can cheat God
God is serious about whom he gives the gift of salvation
When God offers salvation its not meant to taken back
Genuine Christian never loose salvation…
Fake believer may loose (fake) salvation
Many people do misinterpret verses like Hebrew 6:4, but after an in depth study, it only proves that God does not take away salvation. God is a God who fulfills His promises and loves anyone and everyone unconditionally.
If, you are saved by grace through faith (Eph 2: 8 -9) then salvation is not dependent on you. If you are a new creature in Christ Jesus (2 Cor 5:17) then you have been made entirely new and once that happens you cannot go back. The Father doesn’t look at your sin, He looks at Christ righteousness, always, so even though you may sin, you don’t live in a place called sin (Romans 5 and 6). Stop being sin conscience and start being righteousness conscience. Be blessed
You do err not knowing the scriptures or the power of God
Believing in a works based salvation flies in the face of Ephesians 2:8-10.
Who saves? Man or God? God ultimately is the One doing the saving. So to say that you could lose your salvation suggests that either 1 or more of the following:
A) That God cannot/will not keep you and will not/can not keep sanctifying you (Philippians 1:6).
B) The Holy Spirit will leave you (God forsaking) (Hebrews 13).
C) That you can in effect steal yourself from God. (1 Corinthians 6:20)
D) That you can pluck yourself from God’s hand. (John 10:28)
These underlying beliefs are what form the idea you can lose salvation. And the Bible refutes each of those.
God is the One Who saves. (Isaiah 43:11) God purchases you with His own blood. (1 Peter 1:19) He puts a new heart in you (Ezekiel 36:26). You cannot be plucked from His hand (even you can’t pluck yourself out) – John 10:28.
You did touch on something though. Hebrews speaks on this topic, but Paul is actively refuting the doctrine of losing salvation. He’s suggesting that if you could lose salvation, it would be impossible to be resaved.
Also, “once saved, always saved” is probably better referred to as Eternal Security.
You have to ask yourself, “what sin can I commit that will cause God to unsave me?”
I do believe there are some things a genuine believer will not do, such as apostasize. The Holy Spirit will not allow a genuine believer to commit apostasy. 1 John 2:19.
So you have to ask, “what sin can unsave me”?
If apostasy means I was never saved to begin with, what sin can I commit that will cause God to throw me away?
If we are God’s children (His heirs), when we are washed in His blood, does God orphan us if we sin too much?
2 Corinthians 5:21
Hebrews 9:12
Galatians 5:1
Rest assured that God is powerful enough to save completely. In Him is total forgiveness and propitiation for sin. In Him is freedom from sin and your sin debt. You cannot work for your salvation. To say that we can denies our helplessness to save ourselves.
When you are saved, you receive the Holy Spirit and His righteousness. I don’t think there is a Biblical reason justifying losing salvation.
What would you say to the predestination crowd who believe God picked some to be saved and ignored the rest?
BAD DESCRIPTION! i would not waste my time on those who spew fallacies bull !
There’s nothing you could do to earn your salvation, there’s nothing you could do to lose it, if you truly received it in the first place. But the end of Hebrews cautions those who think they are in family, but really aren’t; if you fall away because things get difficult, then you never really were His to begin with. You’re in the crowd of those who wanted miracles, but none of the problems. So, Believer, if you sin, repent and keep running the race.
God is the one who saves us and when He sees someone’s heart seeing sin for what it is and knowing that Jesus is our Savior of that than He sends the Holy Spirit to guide them to Heaven and purifying them of sin which means He shows us the sin in our lives and since we are His we desire to please Him and change from those ways. Too many have been taught to just believe and you are saved as if it’s their power that does it.. not enough people have been taught that it is our sin that separates us from God and we need a Savior EVERYDAY for the rest of our lives. Those who practice sin are not of God those who practice righteousness are His children .. righteousness is what God says it is not what we want to say it is.. we need to get into His word and APPLY it to our lives…since we have been sinners so long some things may take longer than others but if you willingly live a life of sin and think you are saved because you have decided that belief in God is better than not believing in Him, than you believe for your own vain glory and not for His.. when we live by His word we live in His glory… it’s shameful to keep sinning KNOWING what Jesus did and what He went through to make a way for us to draw close to God.. it’s kind of like a cheating husband or wife saying they love their spouse with all their heart but their actions show otherwise
The truth is no one deserves it and how can anyone choose or reject salvation? Just blows my mind . it’s not according to anyone but according to God alone . The shepard searches for his lost sheep , the sheep are to dumb to find the way back .. the parable of the prodigal Son ..
when a Christian says that he will lose his salvation when he sins consciously or unconsciously is to say that Christ’s finished work is inferior compared to sin, that my salvation is only as good until my next sin.
This is from Edgar Andrews book ?
Not biblical. Jesus taught conditional security
why are you continuously worrying about people continuously living in their sin after believing in Jesus? Again i will say it again, It is not possible for a true christian to live in sin after believing. You can sin but you cannot live in it. For those who continue, clearly they are not christian. So many verses says that we are eternally secure once we believe i dont know why you keep ignoring it. Pray to God for wisdom and understanding and never rely on your own. Just keep on sharing the gospel as commanded to us brother.
Once full of chicken are you always full of chicken, or once lost I the woods could you ever be lost in the woods again?
continuing in a sin does not make some one a non believer at all. The only unpardonable sin is that of denying Christ and the gospel. And belief is the only requirement for salvation .. we can’t add
Or take away from it.
It also says that
“For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.”
James 2:10
All sin is willful and if one were to commit rebellion and the other lying constantly or even once in a while. For both they broke the entire law according to gospel. Both sins are counted as equal because if you break one law you have broken all. Matthew 10 makes it clear that ALL sin will be forgiven a man except the unpardonable sin which is denying Jesus work on the cross and him being God denying his offer of salvation. You don’t have a proper understanding of the finished work on the cross and what was actually done that. You sound like the older brother of the prodigal who is anger at his fathers grace for the undeserving brother. Grace is just that. Undeserved and free.
Hebrews 10 you have the opposite of the true interpretation and context of the verse. It was talking about the Jews at that time were considering going back to the old order of ways which was sacrificing animals for a sacrifice instead of accepting Jesus as the only and last sacrifice and they were being told “hey listen if you go back to the old traditions you then trample Jesus sacrifice under your feet and treating it like a common thing and insult the spirit of grace.. because Jesus will be the last and only sacrifice available to accepted” that’s all that verse means but people use
It out context to teach loss of salvation because they are choosing to be ignorant to what he did on the cross and totally failing to see what he did. Not trusting in him alone. Which is what legalistic and law teachers do. They rely on their own righteousness.
It does talk in the Bible about how God disciplines those that are his
1 Corinthians 5:5 New International Version (NIV)
“hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh,[a][b] so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.”
This is about the man in Paul’s church who was practicing adultery without ceasing and finally he was sent out of the church and handed over to Satan for Satan to destroy his physical life.. this was like the prodigal son he would eventually hit rock bottom hurt real bad come to his senses and return to following Christ. Satan was allowed to harm his life but not take his spirit.
“ The apostle adds that he had delivered Hymenaeus and Alexander to Satan, that they might learn not to blaspheme.”
1 Timothy 1:20
Same here. They were teaching falsely so they were sent out of the church and handed to Satan to LEARN not to blaspheme. If you look at the true context of these verses their souls were never handed over only their bodies
in other words you’re saying we don’t have a new covenant we are still under the old having to sacrifice Jesus again and again and again to remain clean enough to stay saved ? then you say Christ died in vain since you think his one sacrifice was not enough! If salvation was based on works than we would all be in heading straight to Hell. Since the requirement for heaven was absolute fulfillment of the law. I would have to kindly ask.. how do you manage to absolutely fulfill the law? And with you having saved yourself why do you profess to have needed Jesus ? If you yourself are sinless ? Since you say if you sin after accepting Jesus you can loss his salvation.
“If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.”
1 John 1:8
Since we are all sinners even after salvation (not meaning we should embrace sin) but will always fall short
“For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.”
James 2:10
Meaning if you even so much as lie, lust (after men,food,money), judge another, ect you have broken every law.. (rebellion, heresy, murder, rape) and even the ones no one wants to speak of.. ALL
“Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.”
Mathew 12:31
Meaning the ONLY sin he won’t forgive is denying the gospel. That’s what Matthew 12 means
“All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away”
Isaiah 64:6
Means your righteousness would and could never be enough for God. We are made righteous through Jesus alone because only he was sinless and without fault and only he was able to fully fulfill the law.
“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith–and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God–“ not by works so that no man shall boast Ephesians 2:8
We are saved by grace through faith and not at all by works.. it’s not faith plus works or works then faith or baptism of water plus works plus faith no it’s by faith alone in Christ alone and because of what Christ did alone. He is the only one worthy to get the glory which is why it says “so that no man shall boast” by saying our works will keep us saved that is like saying you can take some of Jesus’s glory because he didn’t completely save you being that you profess to play a role in you’re salvation
Jesus called the religious hypocrites and Pharisees You brood of vipers
The people who thought of themselves as righteous enough
The Pharisees thought of themselves as righteous and boasted of their being the seed of Abraham, yet their immediate ancestors were no other than vipers, deceitful, hurtful, poisonous creatures; and they were exactly like them: for though they made a fair show in the flesh, and outwardly appeared righteous, yet were inwardly full of the poison of wickedness, envy and malice; and which their pestilential breath, their blasphemy against the Spirit.
Jesus saved us by grace through our faith.
“And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.
John 6:39
If Jesus does not keep his fathers command and keep every single solitary believer and born again Christian then you are saying that he disobeys his father and sins. He is not capable of doing so.
John 10:28-30 New International Version (NIV)
28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[a]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
No one can snatch one of his out of his hands no ONE. That includes us since we are a one. We would never take ourselves out of his hand because those who truly believe would never deny him. Why would we? Think about that for a minute. The only sin that can’t be forgiven is denying him and no true believer would. Also no one also included Satan.. because he is also a “one” and in order for a person to leave the faith they would have to be deceived by Satan and Satan would have to steel that person through deception. He cannot. No one can. Period
“being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus”
Phillipians 1:6
If one were to deny this as being true than they would be calling Jesus a liar who gives false promises and hope.
“And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit”
Ephesians 1:13
What it does not say is “If you remain sinless and perform works correctly you will be sealed with the Holy Spirit.”
No it says “when you believed you were marked and sealed with the Holy Spirit. A seal there’s no getting out
“For God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.”
Meaning the very first second he bestowed that gift of salvation upon you ..that’s it he will not take the gift back. If one denies this verse they again call Jesus a liar and also say he breaks his promises and deceives and he is simply not capable of that. As he is perfect and never lies.
Romans 11:29
“ They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.”
1 John 2:19
What this means as that the only ones who will depart from the faith and renounce faith are those who never truly possessed it. They believed in vain meaning they weren’t ever true believers or truly born again. He said they went out from us to expose that they were never truly of us to begin with. Never truly born again.
Does grace mean we should embrace sin? Paul said by no means!
There is serious consequence for sin.. both spiritual (oppression, depression, doubt, deception, lack of assurance of salvation and joy of salvation, and feeling distant from the presence of God) and physical (sickness, mental illness, sadness, loss, robbery, failure, sometimes it could even result in physical death)
What I say here is demonstrated here :::
“hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh,[a][b] so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.”
1 Corinthians 5:5
This verse is talking about a man who was in the church committing continual adultery and had no remorse and wouldn’t stop. So Paul told him for a time to leave the church and he “handed him over to Satan for the destruction of his flesh” what this means is he basically honored his choices and allowed Satan to destroy his life.. this was so that he would be hurt so badly and soon come to his senses and come back and learn to walk in obedience. Which is why it then goes on to say “so that his SPIRIT MAY BE SAVED on the day of the Lord.” Satan was allowed to destroy his life and his flesh but not his spirit.
“Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.”
1 Timothy 1:20
Another example of two teachers caught teaching false doctrine who were sent out of the church for Satan to destroy their physical life in order that they would LEARN not to blaspheme so they would later return.
“Because the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.”
Hebrews 12:6
Sin has consequences for born again believers as well. He chastens his children.
The older brother of the prodigal son thought himself righteous and that that made him worthy and more than his brother. He was very offended by his dads grace because he had always strived to be obedient. Understand that the prodigal started as a son and ended as a son. He was never once unborn from his father. Even right before the prodigal son returned home he said “I will now return home to my father” he was still his son right before his return home.
We are saved by grace through faith and are called righteous and accepted because of Jesus finished work not ours and we follow not to stay saved but because we love him and have the Holy Spirit to always guide us home and empower us to finish the race.
People take a lot of verses out of context (not accusing you) to defend loss of salvation when in reality it’s talking either about the backslider or the one who doesn’t truly believe and isn’t truly born again.
I won’t even be replying to any comments under these comments of mine because I could debate the verses people use to teach loss of salvation out of context for hours they use so many out of its true interpretation. But if you live try to save yourself by the law you die by the law. End of story
The prodigal son …. That’s me ? …. O Lord my God why do i always find myself upon Your arms in many times i gone astray , in difficult moments then i remembered your covenant of salvation …. ?
Joh 10:28-29 KJV 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
If you truly recieved Jesus Christ as your Savior and Lord, Jesus and the Father will not let you experience separation from Him.
Wro. The Bible is clear about the eternal security of the saints. Those who are genuinely saved are preserved by God for eternity (Phil. 1:6)
Once saved, always repenting!
I see the number of people falling for the OSAS lie is growing. Makes me sad
Jesus saves us from the wrath of God. Not just hell.
Yes. Romans 8:1
You do not lose your salvation once chosen by God. Once you accept the blood of the Passover Lamb, you are set free to journey from Egypt to Canaan. No going back. The visible measure of salvation is a change from wordly towards godly, from chaos and darkness towards image of God and God’s rest.
1st ?: the saying, “I was saved; I am saved; I will be saved.”
Is it only one of the statements?
Is it all three statements?
Or (your choice) of two?
I use all three. But my definition of “saved” is different from what I use for “Salvation.” Salvation (for me) only applies to when I get to see me Lord with a smile on His face; then I will be saved! L&P
2nd ?: I have seen several/many references that this (above) salvation depends upon one being a “true/actual/worthy/truly/genuine/”etc. Admittedly only GOD knows who is; and who isn’t. Which makes the discussion difficult.
Remember we are known by the fruits of our labor. What does the Bible say about branches that do not bear fruit? Jesus destroyed/killed a tree for not bearing fruit.
Is sin the same as “not bearing fruit?” I would say, “yes.” L&P
3rd !: FAITH & GRACE play major roles. MAJOR. Both are given by GOD. But our faith has to grow/mature; and the Word (the Holy Bible) tells us how we can do that.
GRACE is a little/somewhat different. We have to work/live with grace. There are different definitions to “Grace” that determine if/how you’re …. L&P
After I got saved,where in the bible that saith we can still commit adultery,rape,murder???
You are twisting the Word of God,
Show me a verse that when a person got saved,he can still commit adultery,raped,murder???
Show me!!!
If not then you are promoting
SATAN’S DOCTRINE…
My understanding is that God sanctifies us. He alone can change us and as this process happens we get closer to being like Jesus. We are not able to just stop sin it’s not in our nature but Gods work in us will help us to stop and not sin so we need to be in the Bible and continue to strengthen our relationship with God that is our task God will do the rest. If our relationship becomes weak by us. Then our ever present sin nature will take over
There’s a very big difference between you’ve comitted a sin VS continue living a life of sin.
The blood of Jesus covers our sins, all of them. Even those that are in our future, because when Jesus went to the cross all of our sins are in the future. If it is possible for one who is saved yo fall away and perish then John 3:16 is a lie. Everlasting and eternal can not be used to describe the life the Lord Jesus imparts if it is up to man and his feeble works to retain it.
Judas felt remorse and return the 30 pieces of silver. He is not in hell because the foundations of the New Jerusalem City wall, the Holy City, are named after the 12 Apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Amen.
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