to leave remaining;, pass. to remain, survive, 1 Thess. 4:15, 17*

WHY THE RAPTURE IN 1 THESSALONIANS 4:15-17 IS NOT PRETRIBULATIONAL

Paul’s message to the saints in Thessalonica on the advent of Christ is in two parts: First and Second Thessalonians.

In Paul’s first letter to the Thessalonians, he mentions those “who are still ALIVE, who are LEFT until the coming of the Lord” who “will be caught up together” with the dead in Christ in the Rapture (1 Th 4:15-17). So the saints who are caught up in the Rapture include those who are “still alive and are left” (because others are presumed dead). The Greek word for “left” is “perileipomai” and is the verb “survive”. The question that begs to be asked: What would Christians have to survive before they are raptured? Paul tackles the issue in his second letter to the Thessalonians.

In Second Thessalonians, the believers fear they have somehow missed out on the Rapture through a rumour in circulation (2 Th 2:1-2). Paul corrects this pretribulational view of the Rapture by telling the Thessalonians that two events must happen before the Lord appears: the REBELLION and the unveiling of the MAN OF LAWLESSNESS aka the Antichrist (2 Th 2:3-4).

Here’s the truth behind being left behind: It is NOT true that those left behind will be left out of the Rapture. Rather, Christians will all be left to survive the Great Tribulation before the Rapture takes place.

to leave remaining;, pass. to remain, survive, 1 Thess. 4:15, 17*

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6 comments

Kent Wilkens says:

May 19, 2020 at 10:23 pm

Dead in Christ rise first, at the sound of a trumpet, then those who are alive. 1 Cor 15:52, dead in Christ go at the last trumpet.

Kate Marie Wendi says:

May 20, 2020 at 7:07 am

Survive the first trumpet blast.
Two trumpets. First to break the camp of the dead in Christ.
Second to call the assembly of the survivors of the first.
So much for your foolproof argument. You have to allow for the possibility that there is an alternative which better harmonizes more data.
2 Thessalonians 2:3.
He apostasia is the departure physically and not spiritually.
Geneva Translation.
Debated issue weither Paul was using the older neutral idea in LXX one third of occurrences of verbal.
If that is the case like the writer of Hebrews using older usage of the preposition ant in Heb. 12:2, if most translators are correct for in stead of in stead of NT usage.
Guess what the Book of Revelation settles the 2 These issue. It’s not Antichrist that sets the tone of 70the week.
Its the Lamb. Matthew 24:1-30 is analogous to the seven seal judgments indicating the seals transvex the whole 70th week.
Rev. 6:1-8:1 is a unit with chapter seven parenthetical.
Rapture must occur before this. Not mentioned in Rev. 6-19. Only the return. Rev. 4-5 are intrical to the interval. Last time church mentioned end chapter three.
A plausable alternative to your system. Whatever you carry to the table concerning the rapture oresuppositionally is what you take from the gambling table of rapture prophecy.
The millennial issue is different. The general unclear less specific passages yield to the specific clear special 2 resurrection and judgment passage of Revelation 20. The general summary. The specific progressive revelation.
Too much genuflecting to force revelation to teach recapitulation of Rev. 12.
No agreement on first resurrection if it is not literal bodily resurrection. Better to take it as is with the second as literal.
I have oresentated an alternate pre 70th week oretribulational rapture proposal. Never say never when it is eschatology.

Thomas Lloyd says:

May 20, 2020 at 7:30 am

How about verse 14 where it says those that sleep in christ are included too?

Harold Goldman says:

May 20, 2020 at 9:51 pm

Stop following a man made system. If someone is dead and they rise that’s resurrection not rapture

Michael Hurley says:

May 25, 2020 at 4:28 am

Good points on 1st and 2nd Thessalonians. Awesome analogy. Makes sense.

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January 11, 2021 at 12:39 pm

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Kent Wilkens says:

May 19, 2020 at 10:23 pm

Dead in Christ rise first, at the sound of a trumpet, then those who are alive. 1 Cor 15:52, dead in Christ go at the last trumpet.

Kate Marie Wendi says:

May 20, 2020 at 7:07 am

Survive the first trumpet blast.
Two trumpets. First to break the camp of the dead in Christ.
Second to call the assembly of the survivors of the first.
So much for your foolproof argument. You have to allow for the possibility that there is an alternative which better harmonizes more data.
2 Thessalonians 2:3.
He apostasia is the departure physically and not spiritually.
Geneva Translation.
Debated issue weither Paul was using the older neutral idea in LXX one third of occurrences of verbal.
If that is the case like the writer of Hebrews using older usage of the preposition ant in Heb. 12:2, if most translators are correct for in stead of in stead of NT usage.
Guess what the Book of Revelation settles the 2 These issue. It’s not Antichrist that sets the tone of 70the week.
Its the Lamb. Matthew 24:1-30 is analogous to the seven seal judgments indicating the seals transvex the whole 70th week.
Rev. 6:1-8:1 is a unit with chapter seven parenthetical.
Rapture must occur before this. Not mentioned in Rev. 6-19. Only the return. Rev. 4-5 are intrical to the interval. Last time church mentioned end chapter three.
A plausable alternative to your system. Whatever you carry to the table concerning the rapture oresuppositionally is what you take from the gambling table of rapture prophecy.
The millennial issue is different. The general unclear less specific passages yield to the specific clear special 2 resurrection and judgment passage of Revelation 20. The general summary. The specific progressive revelation.
Too much genuflecting to force revelation to teach recapitulation of Rev. 12.
No agreement on first resurrection if it is not literal bodily resurrection. Better to take it as is with the second as literal.
I have oresentated an alternate pre 70th week oretribulational rapture proposal. Never say never when it is eschatology.

Thomas Lloyd says:

May 20, 2020 at 7:30 am

How about verse 14 where it says those that sleep in christ are included too?

Harold Goldman says:

May 20, 2020 at 9:51 pm

Stop following a man made system. If someone is dead and they rise that’s resurrection not rapture

Michael Hurley says:

May 25, 2020 at 4:28 am

Good points on 1st and 2nd Thessalonians. Awesome analogy. Makes sense.

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January 11, 2021 at 12:39 pm

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